Some migrants choosing to self-deport ahead of Trump presidency

[Deluge]

They're doing the right thing. Good for them. 

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/migrants-self-deport-trump/

[Politics1990]

gonna be a mess when they go no one to work the farm fields or hotel jobs or construction that normal us citizens don't wanna do in southern states. 

[User]

39 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

gonna be a mess when they go no one to work the farm fields or hotel jobs or construction that normal us citizens don't wanna do in southern states. 

Not really. 

My take on this is that we should simply bus everyone on unemployment or other government assistance out to work the fields until they find a better job. 

We can also offer work permits for folks who want to be here to work. Most of those here illegally keep their families back in the country of origin and send money back to them they are making here. We don't have to make them all citizens. 

 

[NAME REMOVED]

1 hour ago, Politics1990 said:

gonna be a mess when they go no one to work the farm fields or hotel jobs or construction that normal us citizens don't wanna do in southern states. 

It's going to tank their economy. Even when it happens, these MAGA loons will somehow find a way to blame Biden and Harris, and gaslight the American public. 

[User]

1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said:

It's going to tank their economy. Even when it happens, these MAGA loons will somehow find a way to blame Biden and Harris, and gaslight the American public. 

The economy was just fine 4 years ago (minus COVID) before Biden let in millions more without a care in the world. 

We will be just fine after deporting them. 

Edited December 16, 2024 by User

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Politics1990 said:

gonna be a mess when they go no one to work the farm fields or hotel jobs or construction that normal us citizens don't wanna do in southern states. 

Wow. A lot of thought sure went into that... 🤣

FYI people were doing all of those jobs 15M illegals ago, when Biden took over. 

Do you have any idea how long it would take to decrease the number of illegals by 15M?

The avg number of illegals under Biden was at 3 or 4 million per year. Not only does Trump have to get that down, he has to deport more than the number that are coming in, in order to decrease the number of illegals. 

It will be a monumental success for Trump to get the net illegal migration number from plus 3M/year to -200,000/yr. 

A huge success would be if the net number of illegal immigrants is down to +9M for the period covering Jan 2021-Jan 2029... 8 yrs total, 4 years of each president. 

Edited December 16, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Politics1990]

51 minutes ago, User said:

Not really. 

My take on this is that we should simply bus everyone on unemployment or other government assistance out to work the fields until they find a better job. 

We can also offer work permits for folks who want to be here to work. Most of those here illegally keep their families back in the country of origin and send money back to them they are making here. We don't have to make them all citizens. 

 

that would never happen lol 

[NAME REMOVED]

19 minutes ago, User said:

The economy was just fine 4 years ago (minus COVID) before Biden let in millions more without a care in the world. 

We will be just fine after deporting them. 

If Trump follows through with his plans to deport 11 million people, perhaps we can bookmark this thread, so in 24 months from now, so we can see the outcome. 

[impartialobserver]

In the absence of cheap labor, folks will either produce less crops (and therefore need less labor), increase their prices, or resort to automation. 

[NAME REMOVED]

On 12/15/2024 at 4:53 PM, User said:

Not really. 

My take on this is that we should simply bus everyone on unemployment or other government assistance out to work the fields until they find a better job. 

Good luck with that. It's been well known for ages, that the majority of people on social assistance have either physical or mental impairments, that prevent them from finding meaningful employment. 

On 12/15/2024 at 4:53 PM, User said:

We can also offer work permits for folks who want to be here to work. 

So pretty much all of them...

Edited December 17, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Deluge]

On 12/15/2024 at 4:11 PM, Politics1990 said:

gonna be a mess when they go no one to work the farm fields or hotel jobs or construction that normal us citizens don't wanna do in southern states. 

We'll adapt. 

Stop being such a snowflake. 

[Deluge]

On 12/15/2024 at 5:26 PM, DUI_Offender said:

It's going to tank their economy. Even when it happens, these MAGA loons will somehow find a way to blame Biden and Harris, and gaslight the American public. 

DrunkAss_Offender thinks Americans should stay soft and stay home while they study for finals at whatever woke bullshit school they're attending. 

[User]

On 12/15/2024 at 6:49 PM, DUI_Offender said:

If Trump follows through with his plans to deport 11 million people, perhaps we can bookmark this thread, so in 24 months from now, so we can see the outcome. 

Just curious... what number of deportations is acceptable to you?

[CdnFox]

On 12/15/2024 at 3:11 PM, Politics1990 said:

gonna be a mess when they go no one to work the farm fields or hotel jobs or construction that normal us citizens don't wanna do in southern states. 

I always love the twin liberal defense of "We need to have compassion for these people" Followed by " Our economy can't survive without their slave labor"   

[Politics1990]

Just now, CdnFox said:

I always love the twin liberal defense of "We need to have compassion for these people" Followed by " Our economy can't survive without their slave labor"   

well if u start deporting them  without a proper plan  groceries will even go up more then they are now. sure deport them but you better have a replacement for them especially in the farming sector cause everyone knows alot working in it are illegals

[User]

17 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

well if u start deporting them  without a proper plan  groceries will even go up more then they are now. sure deport them but you better have a replacement for them especially in the farming sector cause everyone knows alot working in it are illegals

So, you support deportations, as long as we have a proper plan?

How about deportations of all those not gainfully employed out in the fields or in manual labor jobs in the supply chain? 

 

[Legato]

19 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

well if u start deporting them  without a proper plan  groceries will even go up more then they are now. sure deport them but you better have a replacement for them especially in the farming sector cause everyone knows alot working in it are illegals

Wherever you pulled that nonsense from doesn't even exist in a Disney movie.

[Politics1990]

1 minute ago, User said:

So, you support deportations, as long as we have a proper plan?

How about deportations of all those not gainfully employed out in the fields or in manual labor jobs in the supply chain? 

 

the criminal ones obivously need to go first  and then  figure something our  about illegals who  in the country but work and don't cause trouble  either a plan to citizenship or deport them if you got a solid plan but if its gonna be deport them and pay a ton more for stuff then  people will turn on the idea  quick at the end of the day people are for deportation until they see it making them pay more for stuff

[Nationalist]

On 12/15/2024 at 7:45 PM, Politics1990 said:

that would never happen lol 

Good Grief but you're full o' shit.

I was raised in farm country and I know that hired hands are plentiful. What @User said is absolutely true.

26 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

the criminal ones obivously need to go first  and then  figure something our  about illegals who  in the country but work and don't cause trouble  either a plan to citizenship or deport them if you got a solid plan but if its gonna be deport them and pay a ton more for stuff then  people will turn on the idea  quick at the end of the day people are for deportation until they see it making them pay more for stuff

Naw...we'll just charge you Libbies more because...y'all deserve it.

[Politics1990]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Good Grief but you're full o' shit.

I was raised in farm country and I know that hired hands are plentiful. What @User said is absolutely true.

Naw...we'll just charge you Libbies more because...y'all deserve it.

good for you  but things alot different in 2024 then when you were born lol

[Nationalist]

20 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

good for you  but things alot different in 2024 then when you were born lol

No they're not.

[impartialobserver]

real life is such a bit__. In a fantasy, you could easily find and deport 10 million. They are not as easy to pinpoint as the delusional types on here would pretend it to be. There are legal considerations and above all.. there has been a shortage of applicants for the Border Patrol and other law enforcement. That is not going to change overnight. 

[User]

19 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

real life is such a bit__. In a fantasy, you could easily find and deport 10 million. They are not as easy to pinpoint as the delusional types on here would pretend it to be. There are legal considerations and above all.. there has been a shortage of applicants for the Border Patrol and other law enforcement. That is not going to change overnight. 

In real life, if you actually enforce the laws, it deters the crime. Under this administration's open borders policies, millions have entered illegally, and millions more under the ruse of claiming asylum. 

That will dramatically reduce. 

Actually allowing the Border Patrol and ICE to do their jobs will build morale. Recruitment and retention are down because Biden turned the BP into little more than a taxi service to let everyone in while the rest of the border was wide open for the drug cartels and human traffickers. 

 

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, User said:

In real life, if you actually enforce the laws, it deters the crime. Under this administration's open borders policies, millions have entered illegally, and millions more under the ruse of claiming asylum. 

That will dramatically reduce. 

Actually allowing the Border Patrol and ICE to do their jobs will build morale. Recruitment and retention are down because Biden turned the BP into little more than a taxi service to let everyone in while the rest of the border was wide open for the drug cartels and human traffickers. 

 

You missed the point by a country mile... I have no patience for this today. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Politics1990 said:

good for you  but things alot different in 2024 then when you were born lol

Not really. This is easy to deal with. I know that it probably upsets you and I'll probably get another little red down arrow because you're so buthurt over the idea of losing your slave labor force but honestly we just don't need them. There's ways to deal with it legitimately

25 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

real life is such a bit__. In a fantasy, you could easily find and deport 10 million. They are not as easy to pinpoint as the delusional types on here would pretend it to be. There are legal considerations and above all.. there has been a shortage of applicants for the Border Patrol and other law enforcement. That is not going to change overnight. 

He's not going to get it done in one day, but over 4 years why not. And frankly if they find him deport 8.5 million I think he would still call that a win.

More importantly, people would be thinking twice if not three times about coming in the first place