Palestine & Hamas - Broke

[August1991]

The new Hamas-led government is broke and missed the April 1 monthly pay date for tens of thousands of Palestinian public workers, Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh said Wednesday.

It was the Islamic militants' first admission they will have difficulty running the West Bank and Gaza without massive foreign aid.

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The United States and Canada already announced they are severing ties with the new government, and the European Union is to decide on its aid program next week.

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However, Haniyeh conceded Wednesday that Arab pledges are insufficient, and his ministers soon would embark on a tour of the Arab world to drum up more support. The Arab League last week resolved to send the Palestinians about $55 million a month, but Arab nations have largely failed to honor such commitments in the past.

Guardian

These people were so incompentent that they never developed any self-standing economy. They used Canadian taxpayer money to finance suicide bombers instead. Yasser Arafat's wife now lives well in Paris.

Western Leftists such as Robert Fisk - apologists for this fraud - blame Israel and America for the Palestinians' plight.

How sad.

[geoffrey]

It's definitely the responsibility of the Palestinians to clean up their act (and not elect terrorists). No aid to terrorists seems a responsible thing to do.

There is also things Israel can do to help out their economy too, like allowing free travel within the P.A. controlled states.

[Black Dog]

These people were so incompentent that they never developed any self-standing economy. They used Canadian taxpayer money to finance suicide bombers instead. Yasser Arafat's wife now lives well in Paris.

Western Leftists such as Robert Fisk - apologists for this fraud - blame Israel and America for the Palestinians' plight

Because god knows when you cram several million people wih no worldly possessions into a tiny geographic area, surround them with a hostile military that oversees the division of said area for foreign settlement, chokes off domestic economic development and imposes a system of colllective punishment the conditions are jjust right for a functional state and civil society.

No apologies for the corruption of the Palestinian leadership here, but don't be so foolish as to contend that the military occupation has no bearing on the sorry state of affairs.

[geoffrey]

Israeli pressure on Palestine hasn't helped the situation, and I'd be the first to argue against that aggression and oppression.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Palestinians made a poor judgement call electing terrorists to office. No matter the oppression, they need to not support terrorism.

Not happening, so they shouldn't get our money until they smarten up their act.

[Hollus]

I highly doubt Hamas would be a terrorist organization if they had the 3 Billion dollars per year of aid that the US supplies to Isreal. Im pretty sure they'd rather fight fire with fire. Desperate people do desperate deeds.

5 REASONS to Stop US Military Aid to Israel

[Army Guy]

Hollus:

highly doubt Hamas would be a terrorist organization if they had the 3 Billion dollars per year of aid that the US supplies to Isreal. Im pretty sure they'd rather fight fire with fire. Desperate people do desperate deeds.

5 REASONS to Stop US Military Aid to Israel

1 Israel Is Illegally Occupying Palestine

Under UN Resolution 242, Israel is required by international law to withdraw from all the territories occupied in 1967, including East Jerusalem. The United Nation's General Assembly has repeatedly condemned Israel's occupation of the territories as illegal (see UN resolutions 338, 1397, and 1402, among others). Israel's continued occupation of Palestine, sanctioned and maintained by the US, is one of the most serious obstructions to a just and lasting peace in the Middle East.

How can you occupy a nation that has never existed, When was it founded and by whom ?Where is its borders,What was it's capital,what was it's form of government.

Can you answer any of those questions. And why is it that Israel is the only nation to have occupied territory, are we saying that no other nation has expanded it's borders since 1907, or since the UN resolution.

2 Israel Systematically Violates the Human Rights of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories

Each day, Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza violate articles of the 4th Geneva Convention on Human Rights, an agreement that governs wartime rules of engagement and to which Israel is a signatory. Palestinian homes and agriculture fields are routinely demolished to make way for illegal Israeli settlements. Israeli soldiers regularly arrest and detain--often for years-- Palestinians without due process. According to Amnesty International, members of the Israeli security forces regularly use torture and prolonged incommunicado detention against Palestinians.

WHy is it you don't list any human rights violations by the PA again'st it's own people or palestinian humna rights violation.... Your not reporting the whole story but your version.

3 Israel is an Apartheid State

Israel has developed an elaborate system of racial discrimination, embedded in its legal system, rivaling Apartheid South Africa's laws. These laws include the Law of Entry, the Law of Return, the Citizenship Law, the Military Service Law, and a host of legally sanctioned, discriminatory rabbinical rulings. Palestinians are denied various welfare benefits, access to many jobs, and the leasing of homes and land controlled by government bodies. Electricity, sewerage, and roads are provided free to Israeli households, whereas many Palestinian communities in Israel, and especially in the Occupied Territories, have existed for decades without adequate services. Laws governing land ownership such as the Law of Acquisition of Absentee Property and the Law for Acquisition of Land blatantly discriminate against Palestinians. Indeed, land ownership in Palestine is more unjust than it ever wasin South Africa; at the height of apartheid, black people nominally `controlled' 13 percent of the land, whereas in Israel the Palestinians control only 2 percent of the land.

"I am a black South African, and if I were to change the names, a description of what is happening in the Gaza Strip and West Bank could describe events in South Africa."

Archbishop Desmond Tutu

Blockades which allow settlers free movement but restrict Palestinians have lost 100,000 workers their jobs. The Israeli government issues identification cards and car number-plates, color coded, which restrict travel for non-Jews. Palestinians in the West Bank are routinely prevented from travelling to the Gaza Strip because they have to travel through `Israeli' territory. No significant industry has been permitted to develop in the West Bank or Gaza. Consequently, Palestinians are concentrated in the lowest paying jobs and form a super-exploited labour force for Israeli capital. The occupied territories import 93% of goods but export a mere 7% of what they produce. Palestinian exports to Western Europe are banned so as not to compete with Israeli exports. Ninety percent of Palestinian workers must travel to Jewish towns for employment

Are palestinians Israelis citizens? where do the PA's assistance cash go,anyway...Have you even read any of this trash, can you back any of it up with fact.

4 US Military Aid to Israel Violates US Law

The US Arms Export Control Act (AECA) strictly forbids the government from giving military assistance to any country that violates internationally recognized human rights. The State Department's 2001 human rights report states: "Israeli security units often used excessive force against Palestinian demonstrators including live fire ... impeded the provision of medical assistance to Palestinian civilians by their strict enforcement of internal closures, which reportedly contributed to at least 32 deaths. Israeli security forces harassed and abused Palestinian pedestrians and drivers who were attempting to pass through the more than 130 Israeli- controlled checkpoints ..." Under the AECA, "the President is required to report to Congress promptly upon the receipt of information that a substantial violation of AECA may have occurred." The US government is fully aware of the Israeli army's human rights violations, as the above quote from the State Department shows. The US government has eroded its own credibility as an impartial mediator by continuing to arm Israel without restriction and allowing these weapons to be used against civilian populations in violation of US law.

And whom is arming the palestinians, The US government has supplied arms to Isreal for years now, atleast 4 adminstrations i'm sure they know what laws they are breaking as they make them. But then again the US has supplied alot of countries with wpns has it not.

5 US Military Aid to Israel threatens US Security and Global Stability

US funding of Israel's human rights abuses fuels resentment towards the US. While the rest of the world strongly condemns Israel’s occupation of the Palestinian Territories, our government provides the political, diplomatic and material means for the occupation to continue. Such actions by the US government provoke anti-US sentiment throughout the world, ultimately jeopardizing the safety of people living in the US. The US can build its own security only by gaining the trust and respect of the international community.

Threatens the US security in which way, WHO strongly condemns Israel occupation, the arab world or are you talking the western world and just what have they done about it....

[KrustyKidd]

Your quote Black Dog but the reply is to Hollis as well.

No apologies for the corruption of the Palestinian leadership here, but don't be so foolish as to contend that the military occupation has no bearing on the sorry state of affairs.

Anything in your closet or home with 'made in (name of any middle eastern country)' on it? Didn't think so. Myself, I have a couple of bottles of Israeli wine as well as a computor program from there I use. The garage I get work done every now and then has a lathe made in Haifa or somthing but nothing from Ridjiah or Mecca. Been to Israel and the West bank. Nice fertile and managed green country turns into garbage strewn rock in seconds as you drive by.

How do you starve a lazy person? Hide their paycheck under their work boots. Self examination is not a virtue of Arabs.

[August1991]

Because god knows when you cram several million people wih no worldly possessions into a tiny geographic area, surround them with a hostile military that oversees the division of said area for foreign settlement, chokes off domestic economic development and imposes a system of colllective punishment the conditions are jjust right for a functional state and civil society.

As a description of Israel in 1948, that's not bad.

Don't get me wrong. Palestinians are found all through the Middle East and they generally occupy important positions. Palestinians are usually an industrious lot.

But Palestinian leadership has been a disaster, starting with Arafat - all talk, and the dramatic gesture.

Western Leftists with a textbook knowledge of the Middle East find this meme irresistible since it combines oppressed victim and an anti-American slant. Fisk has a good gig going and he happily serves up the brew.

How sad this is for Palestinians themselves. The smart ones have gotten as far away from Arafat and the PLO as they could.

[mcqueen625]

It's definitely the responsibility of the Palestinians to clean up their act (and not elect terrorists). No aid to terrorists seems a responsible thing to do.

There is also things Israel can do to help out their economy too, like allowing free travel within the P.A. controlled states.

They can only allow that when they can be assured that the young person carrying a sachel isn't carrying a bomb meant to kill as many innocent civilians as possible as just happened today.

[mcqueen625]

Because god knows when you cram several million people wih no worldly possessions into a tiny geographic area, surround them with a hostile military that oversees the division of said area for foreign settlement, chokes off domestic economic development and imposes a system of colllective punishment the conditions are jjust right for a functional state and civil society.

As a description of Israel in 1948, that's not bad.

Don't get me wrong. Palestinians are found all through the Middle East and they generally occupy important positions. Palestinians are usually an industrious lot.

But Palestinian leadership has been a disaster, starting with Arafat - all talk, and the dramatic gesture.

Western Leftists with a textbook knowledge of the Middle East find this meme irresistible since it combines oppressed victim and an anti-American slant. Fisk has a good gig going and he happily serves up the brew.

How sad this is for Palestinians themselves. The smart ones have gotten as far away from Arafat and the PLO as they could.

Who cares what the corrupt United Nations says? Under Koffi's watch his own son along with other's with a vested interest in Iraq, such as France, Germany, Belgium, and Russia, were involved in violations of U.N. sanctions against Iraq and their oil for food program. How can this organization be trusted to represent anyone's best interests. I believe the U.S. is right-on in their assertions that the U.N. has become irrelevant.

Israel has just as much right to exist as does the State of Palestine, as both peoples came originally form that part of the world. Right now Palestine as a country does not exist, but there is a country of Israel. Of course the U.N. wants Israel to retreat from all lands they have occupied since the 1967 war, but I believe they occupied them for reason of protecting their civilian population from attack by Iran. Syria, & Lebanon. I don't believe they were given any choice but to defend themselves, and unfortunately for their enemies they were much more adept at war.