Who will Make Canada Great Again?

[WestCanMan]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I certainly do, but what I also believe is that COVID found it far easier to infect far greater numbers of Americans because Trump couldn't keep his stupid mouth shut. Trudeau could and it shows.  As I've also pointed out, COVID hit America when it was lit up with enough conspiracy gas to fuel a new star.

It certainly helped that Canadians were still a little more deferential to the advice of health authorities. I doubt that'll be the case next time unfortunately, especially if it's anytime soon.

You're an id10t.

When Trump talked, he was ahead of even Fauci. He took all the correct measures to fight covid. 

When Trudeau opened his mouth, he said stupid things and issued fascist edicts. We had:

1. a gesundheitspass
2. peaceful protesters beaten in the street
3. RCMP caught on video stealing gasoline and diesel 
4. martial law
5. the government freezing people's bank accounts for supporting peaceful protesters
6. forced vaccinations
7. lies straight from our government and health ministry about the severity of covid, who was affected by it, who needed vaccines, what the pseudovaccines even could do if they worked properly, and about the efficacy of non-vaccines at fighting covid
8. Trudeau was randomly calling the unvaxxed here "racists and misogynists" on TV for no actual reason at all
9. Trudeau was allowing people to fly from covid central directly into Canada and walk literally anywhere they wanted until March 16th. By March 23rd, just 7 days later, we weren't allowed to walk outside in public parks. It was the dumbest thing I have ever seen in my life, and I'm including posts by you and robo. 

NONE of that stupid BS happened in the US under Trump, and that's just a partial list for Trudeau, which doesn't even include him having to steal vaccines from the 3rd-world charity pool because he was too stupid to order them before everyone else did. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I certainly do, but what I also believe is that COVID found it far easier to infect far greater numbers of Americans because Trump couldn't keep his stupid mouth shut.

There's really no evidence of that. I mean you can believe in the tooth fairy and santa as well but it's unlikely that they're true things  

Use of Population Weighted Density Index for Coronavirus Spread in the United States | Published in Journal of Health Economics and Outcomes Research

All the evidence suggests that the absolutely insane High rates of infections that filtered the scale early in the virus which occurred in New York and a couple of other places was due to population density or more accurately overcrowding combined with a lack of understanding of how to deal with the virus.

I became much less of a factor as more information came out, but like I said vast majority of the deaths early on can be attributed directly to that and had nothing to do with anything that trump said.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It certainly helped that Canadians were still a little more deferential to the advice of health authorities. I doubt that'll be the case next time unfortunately, especially if it's anytime soon.

I don't know that they were. And I certainly don't see a lot of evidence to support that just looking at the infection rates combined with various actions taken. And like I said when you remove the severe epicenter initial problems the US had their results weren't much different than ours.

But if it makes you feel better then sure why not.

And for sure that probably won't be the case next time nor should it be. The response was over the top, did it fringed on people's rights, and it is left a legacy of hatred and anger that is fundamentally changed Canada.

Like I said, I'll give you a points for the dope thing but not for covid

[WestCanMan]

39 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There's really no evidence of that. I mean you can believe in the tooth fairy and santa as well but it's unlikely that they're true things  

Use of Population Weighted Density Index for Coronavirus Spread in the United States | Published in Journal of Health Economics and Outcomes Research

All the evidence suggests that the absolutely insane High rates of infections that filtered the scale early in the virus which occurred in New York and a couple of other places was due to population density or more accurately overcrowding combined with a lack of understanding of how to deal with the virus.

Good luck getting our village id10t to understand that. I told him about 1,000 times. It means nothing to him.

I even showed him a video of NYC's Demb mayor Bill DeBlasio telling NYers to"keep eating in restaurants and riding the subway like normal" on Feb 9th, about 12 days after Trump was already banning flights from China. 

The basic principles of epidemiology are easy enough for you and I (and almost all conservatives for that matter) to understand, but leftists only "know" what they're told by CNN.  

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Would I would like to lead Canada:

 

Adam van Koeverden

 

 

Koeverden competed for Team Canada in the 2004, 2008, and 2012 Olympics, winning a Gold Medal in the 500 metre kayak final. He was chosen to carry the Canadian flag at the closing ceremonies in Greece. He is the most successful Olympic Kayaker in Canadian history. 

My dream was to make the Olympics in Kayaking myself, but I had a career ending back injury when I was young, and only made it to the National Junior Development Team. 

Koeverden has been a Member of Parliament for 5 years. he is 42, and has what it takes to lead this nation.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

All of whom clamor for a 'leader' 

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Use of Population Weighted Density Index for Coronavirus Spread in the United States | Published in Journal of Health Economics and Outcomes Research

All the evidence suggests that the absolutely insane High rates of infections that filtered the scale early in the virus which occurred in New York and a couple of other places was due to population density or more accurately overcrowding combined with a lack of understanding of how to deal with the virus.

That is strange. There were more deaths from COVID in America (especially per-capita) than more densely populated areas such as India, China, Indonesia, Spain, Italy, France, Germany, Lapan, Korea, Phillippines, Vietnam, Pakistan, Hong Kong, Mexico, etc.

Edited December 13, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

That is strange. There were more deaths from COVID in America (especially per-capita) than more densely populated areas such as India, China, Indonesia, Spain, Italy, France, Germany, Lapan, Korea, Phillippines, Vietnam, Pakistan, Hong Kong, Mexico, etc.

No, it's not strange. This actually addressed in the research. Even high density populations in America stopped having those issues once covid was better understood. New york was exposed very early and became a major epicenter before some of the knowledge of how to deal with covid was available. After they started realizing how to deal with it deaths in new york fell dramatically, but initially it was very high. 

And some of the places you mentioned did have early nasty break outs.

And no, sorry, most of the places you mentioned aren't as densely crowded as new york specifically. You appear to be taking national numbers and trying to compare it with a very densely crowded city. For example, italy has about 202 people per km. but new york is 29,303.2 people per square mile.  Thats more than  100 times more density.  Soooooo.... didn't take the time to look that up i take it. 

See that's what happens when you don't actually read and you just make shit up out of your ass and don't take the time to learn.  It isn't remotely strange at all if you are capable of learning. I posted links you COULD have learned.....  oh well, i guess some of us choose ignorance. 

COVID-19 Outbreak — New York City, February 29–June 1, 2020 | MMWR

As we can see from the research, in new york alone there was 203 thousand cases in the first three months of the pandemic. And the mortality rate was insane, between 10 and 23 percent roughly.

There were only about 100 million cases in all of the us by the end of the pandemic. 

Cumulative COVID cases in the U.S. from 2020 to 2022 | Statista

When you think about that, the deaths and infection rate that we saw in new york in the first 3 months was INSANELY high and disproportionately impacted overall deaths and infections. 

There are other factors of course, temperature being a big one. Warmer states had much higher infection rates than colder states. There's been a few theories around this.

But there's no doubt that population density or at least crowding played a role early on before the virus was well understood

 

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57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, it's not strange. This actually addressed in the research. Even high density populations in America stopped having those issues once covid was better understood. New york was exposed very early and became a major epicenter before some of the knowledge of how to deal with covid was available. After they started realizing how to deal with it deaths in new york fell dramatically, but initially it was very high. 

Many Western European cities had earlier outbreaks (specifically Italy and Spain), before there were any large outbreaks in the United States.

 

57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And some of the places you mentioned did have early nasty break outs.

Without the death rate of the United States.

57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And no, sorry, most of the places you mentioned aren't as densely crowded as new york specifically. You appear to be taking national numbers and trying to compare it with a very densely crowded city. For example, italy has about 202 people per km. but new york is 29,303.2 people per square mile.  Thats more than  100 times more density.  Soooooo.... didn't take the time to look that up i take it. 

India, China, France, Italy, Japan, Korea, and the Phillippines all are more densely populated than the United States. There are several cities in India, China, Philippines that have higher population densities than NYC. Paris, Rome, London, Madrid, Seoul, and Tokyo have similar population density to NYC. 

57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I am a stupid imbecile. 

Yes, you are. 

57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There are other factors of course, temperature being a big one. Warmer states had much higher infection rates than colder states. There's been a few theories around this. Now I am talking out of my ass. 

No argument here. 

That funny thing is, it's been well documented that warmer states had LOWER COVID rates than colder states. That explains the low prevalence of COVID in Africa. Do you deliberately spread bullshit all the time? I mean can't you at least try to get your facts correct?

57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But there's no doubt that population density or at least crowding played a role early on before the virus was well understood, I think. I read this in a children book "Tommy gets COVID and misses Grade 4 class"

 

That may be too advanced for you. I recommend "Little Sally learns about COVID." It has a Grade 2 reading level.

Edited December 13, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Many Western European cities had earlier outbreaks (specifically Italy and Spain), before there were any large outbreaks in the United States.ading level.

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Without the death rate of the United States.

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India, China, France, Italy, Japan, Korea, and the Phillippines all are more densely populated than the United States

But not new york 

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There are several cities in India, China, Philippines that have higher population densities than NYC

But weren't epicenters.   

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. Paris, Rome, London, Madrid, Seoul, and Tokyo have similar population density to NYC. 

But didn't have the same breakouts.  There are densified cities in the us besides new york, but that's not where a massve break out happened.

 

And then to prove you know you're wrong and are a complete loser who hasn't got the balls to admit it you fake quote me so you can have something to argue with  

Well as usual you've failed again and you're butthurt. Do you ever get tired of being stupid? 

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4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

 

And then to prove I know I am wrong and I am a complete loser who hasn't got the balls to admit it.

Well as usual I have failed again and I am butthurt. I am tired of being stupid.

Once again, no argument here.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

when you remove the severe epicenter initial problems the US had their results weren't much different than ours.

Americans died at almost 2.5 times the rate of Canadians. When you take your donkey shit logic seriously it says that if Americans outside your epicenter died at the same rate we did there would have to be twice the number of deaths or more in that epicenter in the first three months than there were cases.

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19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Americans died at almost 2.5 times the rate of Canadians. When you take your donkey shit logic seriously it says that if Americans outside your epicenter died at the same rate we did there would have to be twice the number of deaths or more in that epicenter in the first three months than there were cases.

@CdnFox is so brain dead, that he actually tried to argue that COVID was more prevalent in Warmer climates, when nearly all scientific evidence shows the opposite. This just underscored how well Canada contained the pandemic, compared to our American counterparts. 

I've been on this forum for over a year, and I have never gone a day, without reading some inaccurate observation, or deliberate disinformation coming from CdnFox. He is an old man, and wants to argue, for attention. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Once again, no argument here.

You prove what a sad shallow little person you are. Do you think anybody looks at that and thinks better of you? All you're proving is that you're a useless piece of crap that lives in their mother's basement can't have an intelligent opinion and obviously has no self-esteem.

You're the kind of person who winds up working for Amway full time

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Americans died at almost 2.5 times the rate of Canadians. When you take your donkey shit logic seriously it says that if Americans outside your epicenter died at the same rate we did there would have to be twice the number of deaths or more in that epicenter in the first three months than there were cases.

No, that is not accurate.

Sigh.  Well math and reason was never your thing was it. 

Not much point trying to explain it again to someone who obviously is deberately pretending to be too obtuse to understand. 

End of the day, trump is not responsible for the higher us covid deaths. Nor have you provided any proof he is. And as usual you're too stupid to read the information presented that proves you're wrong. 

You literally wallow in stupidity. 

 

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12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You prove what a sad shallow little person you are. Do you think anybody looks at that and thinks better of you? All you're proving is that you're a useless piece of crap that lives in their mother's basement can't have an intelligent opinion and obviously has no self-esteem.

You're the kind of person who winds up working for Amway full time

Time for bed, old man.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

@CdnFox is so brain dead, that he actually tried to argue that COVID was more prevalent in Warner climates, when nearly all scientific evidence shows the opposite. This just underscored how well Canada contained the pandemic, compared to our American counterparts. 

I've been on this forum for over a year, and I have never gone a day, without reading some inaccurate observation, or deliberate disinformation coming from CdnFox. He is an old man, and wants to argue, for attention. 

Sigh. 

Just can't help but look stupid can you

COVID-19 Mortality by State

2020 it's bad everywhere. 

2021, it's worse in the warmer states

2022 it's FAR worse in the warmest states. 

And here we are at the end of covid, the worst states are mostly the warmest, the lowest are by and large the coolest

U.S. COVID death rate by state 2023 | Statista

and some research

• The daily mean temperature is approximately positively correlated with COVID‐19 deaths nationwide, with different shapes of temperature–mortality curves noted at the regional level

Effects of High Temperature on COVID‐19 Deaths in U.S. Counties - PMC

 

Dear DUI Diary, today i found another way to look stupid.  That's a record 365 days in a row!!!

Good lord man.  Don't you ever tire of looking stupid?

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

Time for bed, old man.

Well you get to bed then, you have school in the morning and it's your turn for show and tell. 

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18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I have no idea how to interpret this, but I thought I would post it, just to pretend I know what I am talking about.

Effects of High Temperature on COVID‐19 Deaths in U.S. Counties - PMC

 

Seasonal variation has been a source of uncertainty in forecasts of SARS-CoV-2 transmission. Other viruses, like flu viruses and other coronaviruses, are known to be affected by environmental factors. For example, high temperatures and low humidity reduce the transmission of respiratory droplets, preventing the spread of flu. High temperatures are also known to inactivate other coronaviruses in the air and on surfaces.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/223233/warmer-temperatures-lessen-covid-19-spread-control/

 

Figure 1 and Table 1 show our results. In general, the farther a country is located from the equator, the more cases the country has relative to the number of inhabitants. This relationship is visible in the scatterplot in Fig. 1 and in the coefficient estimates of latitude (which represent semi-elasticities, i.e., percentage changes in the number of COVID-19 cases per million for one-degree changes in latitude), in the different regression specifications shown in Table 1. In the ordinary least squares (OLS) regression, in which we control for all potential confounding factors, an increase in the distance from the equator by one degree of latitude is associated with an increase of the prevalence of COVID-19 by about 4.3% (Table 1, Model 4). This result is highly significant and implies that a country that is located 1000 km closer to the equator could expect 33% fewer cases per million inhabitants, other things equal (given that a degree of latitude translates on average into a distance of 111 km). Since the change in Earth’s angle towards the sun between equinox and solstice is about 23.5°, one could expect a difference in cases per million inhabitants of 64% between two hypothetical countries whose climates differ to a similar extent as two adjacent seasons.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-87692-z

Edited December 13, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Seasonal variation has been a source of uncertainty in forecasts of SARS-CoV-2 transmission. Other viruses, like flu viruses and other coronaviruses, are known to be affected by environmental factors. For example, high temperatures and low humidity reduce the transmission of respiratory droplets, preventing the spread of flu. High temperatures are also known to inactivate other coronaviruses in the air and on surfaces.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/223233/warmer-temperatures-lessen-covid-19-spread-control/

 

Figure 1 and Table 1 show our results. In general, the farther a country is located from the equator, the more cases the country has relative to the number of inhabitants. This relationship is visible in the scatterplot in Fig. 1 and in the coefficient estimates of latitude (which represent semi-elasticities, i.e., percentage changes in the number of COVID-19 cases per million for one-degree changes in latitude), in the different regression specifications shown in Table 1. In the ordinary least squares (OLS) regression, in which we control for all potential confounding factors, an increase in the distance from the equator by one degree of latitude is associated with an increase of the prevalence of COVID-19 by about 4.3% (Table 1, Model 4). This result is highly significant and implies that a country that is located 1000 km closer to the equator could expect 33% fewer cases per million inhabitants, other things equal (given that a degree of latitude translates on average into a distance of 111 km). Since the change in Earth’s angle towards the sun between equinox and solstice is about 23.5°, one could expect a difference in cases per million inhabitants of 64% between two hypothetical countries whose climates differ to a similar extent as two adjacent seasons.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-87692-z

You quoted old data from June 2021 before much data had been collected

I quoted sources from 2023 when much more data was available and have been analyzed

You quoted something that talked about distance from the equator which does not actually translate into heat in country. It's not like there is a linear reduction in heat for every degree you travel from the equator. 

I quoted actual studies examining the effect of heat specifically

You quoted news articles, I quoted a research paper

 

You're in illiterate m*ron who can't do basic research, I'm an intelligent person who is laughing at you    Why are you like this?  You just wind up looking stupid as hell. 

 

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14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I am all talk, and no substance. even when I do link to data, I have no idea what it means, or how to interpret. I wish I had gone to college.

 

You are all talk and no substance. You do not even understand basic science.

If your theory is correct, then why did places like Africa, Central America, the Middle East, and South Asia have some of the lowest per-capital mortality rates due to COVID?

The answer: Your theory is wrong. Canada would be a good example. Our COVID rates were much worse in winter weather than in summer weather. That should tell you everything you need to know, about your bullshit hypothesis. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[eyeball]

57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, that is not accurate.

Yeah, I underestimated.

During the pandemic nearly 1.3 million Americans died vs 60 thousand Canadians. 3300 Americans or so per million vs 1350 per million Canadians. Around 2.4 times a different rate IOW.

To arrive at your claim that the insane death rates during the first three months of the pandemic accounts for this rather huge difference you'd need to subtract some 600 thousand deaths from 1.3 million.

How on Earth does that scan if, as you said, there were only 203 thousand cases?

 

 

 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

That is strange. There were more deaths from COVID in America (especially per-capita) than more densely populated areas such as India, China, Indonesia, Spain, Italy, France, Germany, Lapan, Korea, Phillippines, Vietnam, Pakistan, Hong Kong, Mexico, etc.

Diabetes, heart disease and all of the other afflictions which are related to morbid obesity far more common in America than those other nations.

There are probably more 250-lb women in the average US town than there are 200-lb women in the Tokyo Metropolitan area. 

I guess that at this point I need to tell you that covid just doesn't target people in all demographics equally. Age is a huge factor, and underlying health conditions are a much bigger factor. 

Eg, a morbidly obese 35-yr-old with COPD would stand a measurable risk of dying from covid, but a 70-yr-old who runs 4 marathons per year would be at an extremely low risk: less than .01%.   

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

Americans died at almost 2.5 times the rate of Canadians. When you take your donkey shit logic seriously it says that if Americans outside your epicenter died at the same rate we did there would have to be twice the number of deaths or more in that epicenter in the first three months than there were cases.

Covid was like a gun aimed at Americans.

Anyone who was paying attention knows that almost everyone who died of covid had, on average, more than 1 serious underlying health condition, and was elderly. 

But not all underlying health conditions were equal against covid. Obesity, and the host of problems that come along with it, was a massive driver of covid deaths. Less than 2% of Canadians have a BMI of 40 or more. In the US it's about 8%. 4x as high. 

[I am Groot]

On 11/23/2024 at 3:29 AM, August1991 said:

China is known for chopsticks.

England is known as a place to speak English well. France is known for its food, sauces.

America? A place to get rich.

Around the world, Canada is known because we get along: French-English, Catholic-Protestant.

Jesus God, August. Have you seen the videos of the Eritreans fighting it out in various Canadian cities? The Sikhs battling the Hindus? The hordes of Palestinians hunting for Jews in the streets? The frenzied LGBT people who say ensuring forty-five-year-old fully intact men can shower and change with the girls if they claim to be female is a hill they're willing to die on?

We don't get along anymore.

[I am Groot]

On 11/24/2024 at 6:59 PM, Radiorum said:

I totally bristle at any suggestion that we copy the US in any way shape or form.

I read a long writeup by a Brit the other day who compared US and UK cultures. His take was that in America, you're celebrated if you succeed, you take chances, and if you fail, well, try again. In the UK, you resent successful people and think anyone who fails is a loser.

In Canada, I would say we settle. We settle for mediocrity. We congratulate ourselves if we don't finish last. US individual wealth in the form of GDP per person has been going up, up, up while ours has been going down, down, down. The richest Canadian provinces is poorer than the poorest American state.

American politicians are sometimes detestable people, brash, outspoken, rude and crude on both sides of the political spectrum. Ours are... bland, unaccomplished people of no substance who speak softly and smile a lot.

We could stand to emulate the US in some ways.

On 11/24/2024 at 7:44 PM, herbie said:

Greatness implies power, something Canada's never been interested in.
It would be better if we could merely return being the moderating influence that we were in previous years.

To be a moderating influence you must first HAVE influence. And Canada does not have influence any longer. It is considered an irrelevant country with a failing economy, virtually no military, and weak, narcissistic leaders whose every pronunciation on the world stage is designed to appeal to local ethnic voting blocks.

[I am Groot]

On 11/24/2024 at 7:46 PM, CdnFox said:

I mean you're not entirely wrong, certainly the word great and power are often synonymous when we're talking about countries, but I think that it's fair to say that Canada has been great in a lot of things and acknowledged around the world in the past without being major purveyors of power. Our respect for the rule of law, our legendary desire to help our neighbors and people in our community, our traditional tolerance of others, our ability to respect other people despite different beliefs. Are welcoming and successful integration of a very high level of migrants.

However after 10 years of Trudeau all of that has gone out the window. It would be nice to bring some of that back.

Sometimes we shouldn't be respecting people due to their beliefs. I don't respect Palestinian protesters for example. I don't respect any Muslim country. And our 'legendary' integration of newcomers only worked when those newcomers were Europeans. It hasn't worked for some time now, a time that predates Trudeau.