robosmith Posted November 22, 2024 Report Posted November 22, 2024 RFK Jr. previously compared Trump to Hitler RFK Jr. compared Trump to Hitler and praised descriptions ... CNN https://www.cnn.com › kfile-rfk-jr-trump-critique 1 day ago — Robert F. Kennedy Jr., President-elect Donald Trump's pick for secretary of Health and Human Services, has a long history of scathing ... RFK Jr. Compared Trump to Hitler Before He Was ... Vanity Fair https://www.vanityfair.com › news › story › rfk-jr-comp... 1 day ago — Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., a close ally of Donald Trump and the president-elect's pick for Health and Human Services secretary, ... RFK Jr. Once Compared Trump To Hitler Rolling Stone https://www.rollingstone.com › politics › politics-news 1 day ago — Robert F. Kennedy Jr. criticized Trump and compared him to Hitler in audio recordings unearthed by CNN . 1 Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted November 23, 2024 Report Posted November 23, 2024 With each passing year, Trump has more in common with Hitler and Putin than any former US President. The American people are going to live to regret voting for Trump. Quote
West Posted November 23, 2024 Report Posted November 23, 2024 Everyone is at a different point in their journey from deprogramming themselves from leftist propaganda 1 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted November 23, 2024 Report Posted November 23, 2024 "Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f**k things up." 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Scott75 Posted November 23, 2024 Report Posted November 23, 2024 18 hours ago, robosmith said: RFK Jr. previously compared Trump to Hitler RFK Jr. compared Trump to Hitler and praised descriptions ... CNN https://www.cnn.com › kfile-rfk-jr-trump-critique 1 day ago — Robert F. Kennedy Jr., President-elect Donald Trump's pick for secretary of Health and Human Services, has a long history of scathing ... RFK Jr. Compared Trump to Hitler Before He Was ... Vanity Fair https://www.vanityfair.com › news › story › rfk-jr-comp... 1 day ago — Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., a close ally of Donald Trump and the president-elect's pick for Health and Human Services secretary, ... RFK Jr. Once Compared Trump To Hitler Rolling Stone https://www.rollingstone.com › politics › politics-news 1 day ago — Robert F. Kennedy Jr. criticized Trump and compared him to Hitler in audio recordings unearthed by CNN . I've never been a fan of Trump myself, but the fact that he actually nominated RFK Jr. to be his Health Secretary, as well as Tulsi Gabbard for his Director of National Intelligence makes me think that he does have some good spots. When combined with his belief that the U.S. should get out of Ukraine sooner rather than later, I think he may well be a better pick than Kamala. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted November 23, 2024 Report Posted November 23, 2024 Like JD, RFK realized that he was wrong. The left can't cope. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
robosmith Posted November 23, 2024 Author Report Posted November 23, 2024 3 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said: I've never been a fan of Trump myself, but the fact that he actually nominated RFK Jr. to be his Health Secretary, as well as Tulsi Gabbard for his Director of National Intelligence makes me think that he does have some good spots. When combined with his belief that the U.S. should get out of Ukraine sooner rather than later, I think he may well be a better pick than Kamala. Why do you believe SURRENDER to Putin would be good for the West? Quote
Scott75 Posted November 23, 2024 Report Posted November 23, 2024 Just now, robosmith said: Why do you believe SURRENDER to Putin would be good for the West? I don't believe that at all. I've been reading about the war in Ukraine since Russia started its military operation over 2 years ago. There are a lot of articles I've read in that time, but if I had to pick just one that I could point at as being quite formative in my views of the conflict, I think it'd be one from former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud. It's here: https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/ Quote
robosmith Posted November 23, 2024 Author Report Posted November 23, 2024 16 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said: I don't believe that at all. I've been reading about the war in Ukraine since Russia started its military operation over 2 years ago. There are a lot of articles I've read in that time, but if I had to pick just one that I could point at as being quite formative in my views of the conflict, I think it'd be one from former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud. It's here: https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/ Seems like he's denying the "little green men" were Russian soldiers. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 23, 2024 Report Posted November 23, 2024 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: Like JD, RFK realized that he was wrong. The left can't cope. The concept is utterly foreign to them 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Scott75 Posted November 23, 2024 Report Posted November 23, 2024 1 hour ago, robosmith said: 2 hours ago, phoenyx75 said: I don't believe that at all. I've been reading about the war in Ukraine since Russia started its military operation over 2 years ago. There are a lot of articles I've read in that time, but if I had to pick just one that I could point at as being quite formative in my views of the conflict, I think it'd be one from former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud. It's here: https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/ Seems like he's denying the "little green men" were Russian soldiers. He doesn't mention any "little green men". I'm guessing you got that from some mainstream media source. Here's what he -does- say: ** In 2014, I am at NATO, responsible for the fight against the proliferation of small arms, and we are trying to detect Russian arms deliveries to the rebels in order to see if Moscow is involved. The information that we receive then comes practically all from the Polish intelligence services and does not “match” with the information from the OSCE: in spite of rather crude allegations, we do not observe any delivery of arms and materials Russian military. The rebels are armed thanks to the defections of Russian-speaking Ukrainian units which cross over to the rebel side. As the Ukrainian failures progressed, the entire tank, artillery or anti-aircraft battalions swelled the ranks of the autonomists. This is what drives the Ukrainians to commit to the Minsk Accords. But, just after signing the Minsk 1 Accords, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko launched a vast anti-terrorist operation (ATO/Антитерористична операція) against Donbass. Bis repetita placent : poorly advised by NATO officers, the Ukrainians suffered a crushing defeat at Debaltsevo which forced them to commit to the Minsk 2 Agreements… It is essential to recall here that the Minsk 1 (September 2014) and Minsk 2 (February 2015) Agreements provided for neither the separation nor the independence of the Republics, but their autonomy within the framework of Ukraine. Those who have read the Accords (they are very, very, very few) will find that it is written in full that the status of the republics was to be negotiated between Kiev and the representatives of the republics, for an internal solution in Ukraine . This is why since 2014, Russia has systematically demanded their application while refusing to be a party to the negotiations, because it was an internal matter for Ukraine. On the other side, the Westerners – led by France – systematically tried to replace the Minsk Accords with the “Normandy format”, which brought Russians and Ukrainians face to face. However, let us remember, there were never any Russian troops in the Donbass before February 23-24, 2022. Moreover, OSCE observers have never observed the slightest trace of Russian units operating in the Donbass. Thus, the US intelligence map published by the Washington Post on December 3, 2021 does not show Russian troops in Donbass. ** He has some very interesting things to say regarding the troops fighting the Ukrainian civil war as well. Quoting once more: ** The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense then turned to NATO to help it make its armed forces more “attractive”. Having already worked on similar projects within the framework of the United Nations, I was asked by NATO to participate in a program intended to restore the image of the Ukrainian armed forces. But it’s a long process and the Ukrainians want to go quickly. Thus, to compensate for the lack of soldiers, the Ukrainian government resorted to paramilitary militias. They are essentially made up of foreign mercenaries, often far-right activists. As of 2020, they constitute around 40% of Ukraine’s forces and number around 102,000 men according to Reuters . They are armed, financed and trained by the United States, Great Britain, Canada and France. There are more than 19 nationalities – including Swiss. Western countries have therefore clearly created and supported Ukrainian far-right militias . In October 2021, the Jerusalem Post sounded the alarm by denouncing the Centuria project . These militias have been operating in the Donbass since 2014, with Western support. Even if we can discuss the term “Nazi”, the fact remains that these militias are violent, convey a nauseating ideology and are virulently anti-Semitic. Their anti-Semitism is more cultural than political, which is why the adjective “Nazi” is not really appropriate. Their hatred of the Jew comes from the great famines of the years 1920-1930 in Ukraine, resulting from the confiscation of crops by Stalin in order to finance the modernization of the Red Army. However, this genocide – known in Ukraine under the name of Holodomor – was perpetrated by the NKVD (ancestor of the KGB) whose upper echelons of leadership were mainly composed of Jews. That is why, today, Ukrainian extremists are asking Israel to apologize for the crimes of communism , as the Jerusalem Post reports . We are therefore a long way from a “ rewriting of history ” by Vladimir Putin. These militias, stemming from the far-right groups that led the Euromaidan revolution in 2014, are made up of fanatical and brutal individuals. The best known of these is the Azov regiment, whose emblem is reminiscent of that of the 2nd SS Das Reich Panzer Division , which is the object of real veneration in Ukraine, for having liberated Kharkov from the Soviets in 1943, before to perpetrate the massacre of Oradour-sur-Glane in 1944, in France. ** Quote
Radiorum Posted November 23, 2024 Report Posted November 23, 2024 Is Trump Hitler? No, not when we know about the atrocities Hitler committed during WW2. But Trump certainly talks like Hitler. Trump uses dehumanizing speech in the tradition of Hitler – “poisoning the blood of the country” and calling his opponents “radical-left thugs” who “live like vermin.” Trump is Speaking Like Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini It’s highly reminiscent of Hitler’s “blood and soil” rhetoric, aimed at the goal of a “racially pure” Aryan people. It is meant to say, “We are clean, pure and healthy, and you are not—and you are a threat.” Perhaps, Trump plans his own Die Säuberung (The purge) Quote
CdnFox Posted November 23, 2024 Report Posted November 23, 2024 23 minutes ago, Radiorum said: Is Trump Hitler? No, not when we know about the atrocities Hitler committed during WW2. But Trump certainly talks like Hitler. Trump uses dehumanizing speech in the tradition of Hitler – “poisoning the blood of the country” and calling his opponents “radical-left thugs” who “live like vermin.” Trump is Speaking Like Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini It’s highly reminiscent of Hitler’s “blood and soil” rhetoric, aimed at the goal of a “racially pure” Aryan people. It is meant to say, “We are clean, pure and healthy, and you are not—and you are a threat.” Perhaps, Trump plans his own Die Säuberung (The purge) It's really not true. Basically all of those things are common to almost all political parties. The democrats were exactly the same, the whole deplorables and garbage and Nazi followers commentary and such. If anything their language was even more dehumanizing And I actually pointed that out even before the election. So there's no comparison of trump to Hitler as far as language goes, this is just the language that politicians tend to use. Let's not forget Trudeau for example who called a large hunk of the Canadian population bigots and misogynists because they didn't agree with his vaccination stats and said that they shouldn't be tolerated and they were wastes of space. So no, it's a complete fallacy to suggest that Hitler and Trump are somehow similar when all of the parties tend to use the same language and if anything the democrats are worse. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Radiorum Posted November 23, 2024 Report Posted November 23, 2024 9 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The democrats were exactly the same, the whole deplorables The "deplorable" comment was one stupid comment made by Clinton, and all right-thinking Dems criticized it. Trump has made it a central theme of his campaign. Here's a tweet from Trump: Nov 11th 2023 - 1:25:01 PM EST Quote In honor of our great Veterans on Veteran’s Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, Fascists, and Radical Left Thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our Country, lie, steal, and cheat on Elections, and will do anything possible, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America, and the American Dream. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave, than the threat from within. Despite the hatred and anger of the Radical Left Lunatics who want to destroy our Country, we will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! 12 minutes ago, CdnFox said: it's a complete fallacy to suggest that Hitler and Trump are somehow similar Here’s another way that Trump is like Hitler – both have a “monomaniacal” approach – both are narcissists who believe that they and they alone can solve all of the country’s problems. “Only I can fix it,” Trump has said, ad nauseum. There are too many tweets in which he said that to quote here, but you can find them all on this webpage: https://www.thetrumparchive.com/?searchbox=%22fix%22 Hitler called it Fuehrerprinzip – that to solve a country’s problems, all power had to be invested in one person. Trump has even suggested he is the greatest president of all time – greater than Washington and Lincoln! https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBcvBpRuGsP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Quote
User Posted November 24, 2024 Report Posted November 24, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, Radiorum said: But Trump certainly talks like Hitler. Trump uses dehumanizing speech in the tradition of Hitler – “poisoning the blood of the country” and calling his opponents “radical-left thugs” who “live like vermin.” Nope, nope, nope. This is all your dishonest framing. Trump was talking about illegal immigrants, even more so, the ones here murdering, raping, and otherwise engaged in harming the American people. That is nothing like what Hitler was talking about. This is the dishonest game you guys play; you try to conflate what Trump is saying, as if he is saying this it about all immigrants because you guys choose to conflate legal and illegal immigration as if they are all just immigrants. Edited November 24, 2024 by User Quote
CdnFox Posted November 24, 2024 Report Posted November 24, 2024 3 hours ago, Radiorum said: The "deplorable" comment was one stupid comment made by Clinton, and all right-thinking Dems criticized it. They didn't. When there was finally blowback they tried to backpeddal but it was clear that's what they think. And we saw it again there when it was the trump supporters are garbage. And trump supporters are nazis. And trump supporters are all bigoted homophobes We're not talking about one instance we're talking about a pervasive and enduring campaign of dehumanizing all trump supporters. Even on this board many of the dem supporters echoed those same sentiments, and they do so constantly. Sorry kid, we're not talking about a one off here. Here's biden in case you forgot Quote The president then added: “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters So all of trump's supporters are "garbage". Harris herself called trump hitler, implying that his followers are nazis, and many of her team out and out called the supporters and their rallys nazi or facist. Now i don't particularly like it when the republicans do it. I think it's the wrong way to fight a campaign. I get that it's easy to 'retaliate' when the other side starts it (and they did) but i still think it's bad form. However - if you're going to pretend the dems didn't do it and do it even worse, then you're a liar and a fraud. Condemn both or neither, but don't pretend one did it and the other did not. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Radiorum Posted November 24, 2024 Report Posted November 24, 2024 9 hours ago, User said: Trump was talking about illegal immigrants Please read Trump's tweet that I quoted. 1 Quote
Radiorum Posted November 24, 2024 Report Posted November 24, 2024 9 hours ago, CdnFox said: Here's biden in case you forgot Why don't you quote the entire quote? He wasn't talking about people - he was talking about hateful rhetoric being garbage. (Talk about dishonesty.) "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporter's — his — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable and it's un-American," https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/biden-garbage-comments-1.7367634 You have no answer for my second Hitler-Trump comparison? The monomaniacal approach? Well, here's a third comparison. Both Trump and Hitler has/had cult followings that believe their dear leader is divinely sent. Sunday services paint Trump as God’s chosen one. His evangelical base credit God for Trump’s surviving the assassination attempt. Quote “You preserved [Trump’s] life, and you don’t preserve anything you don’t have a purpose for,” (Pastor Jentezen Franklin of Free Chapel in Georgia) said When you have a base that worships you, you feel like you can do anything - even interfere in elections: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-had-every-right-interfere-2020-election-2024-09-02/ In Trumps words: “And I’d like to think that God thinks that I’m going to straighten out our country.” There are Americans who believe Almighty God is interested in American politics!! Tucker Carlson’s bizarre and creepy speech in Duluth, Georgia, a couple weeks before the election, and the crowd’s response, provide some insight into how Trumps’ supporters view him. Quoted from Carlson’s speech (in the video below): Quote “Dad comes home … and he’s pissed … he loves his children, as disobedient as they may be … ‘You been a bad girl … and you’re getting a vigorous spanking … because you’ve been a bad girl’ …” And when Trump took to the stage, the crowd chanted, “Daddy! Daddy! Daddy!” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYNrDI1dtEw&t=3s 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted November 24, 2024 Report Posted November 24, 2024 3 hours ago, Radiorum said: Why don't you quote the entire quote? He wasn't talking about people - he was talking about hateful rhetoric being garbage. (Talk about dishonesty.) "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporter's — his — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable and it's un-American," https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/biden-garbage-comments-1.7367634 Bullshit. They put that out after the fact but when you listen to the actual quote it's very obvious that's not what he said. The fact that you have to lie about it just simply proves that you know you're in the wrong in the first place as always He called the people of America that support trump garbage. There's no apostrophe. The only garbage he sees is trump's supporters. And it's not like it's the first time he or any of Harris's other minions have said things like that. But when trump says something even once it's his absolute opinion in your mind and there can be no possible other explanation. Yet we seem to have dozens of examples on the democrat side and they're all just magically went offs or misunderstandings or the like. You and the democrats you support are hate-filled ignorant bigots who spend most of their time dehumanizing people. Calling them Nazis, calling them deplorables, calling them garbage, and I'm not just talking about your political opponent which is somewhat understandable because that's what they do, but the people who support them as well and that's really not something you see the republicans doing a lot 3 hours ago, Radiorum said: You have no answer for my second Hitler-Trump comparison? The monomaniacal approach? Kid, I have answered all of your ridiculous Hitler ask nonsense. Virtually everything that you come up with is also done if not more by the democrats. It's not Hitleresque 3 hours ago, Radiorum said: When you have a base that worships you, you feel like you can do anything - even interfere in elections: Oh look, you're being dishonest again. What a surprise He doesn't say he had every right to interfere with an election. What he's saying is imagine being charged for interference for doing something that you had every legal right to do therefore it isn't interference But of course you have to try and twist it out of shape just as you have to try and twist by these words so that they don't mean what they obviously did 3 hours ago, Radiorum said: In Trumps words: “And I’d like to think that God thinks that I’m going to straighten out our country.” There are Americans who believe Almighty God is interested in American politics!! First off for those who believe why wouldn't they believe that? I mean hell it's still printed right on the money, in god we trust. America was founded on judeo-christian values and the whole idea of god is on our side has been prevalent throughout their entire history. Hell our own Canadian constitutions preamble says "Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law". Canada and America have always recognized god's role in their country, and sure fewer people including myself these days Recognize a day and eat but at the end of the day it's perfectly normal to associate god with America's well-being. You're intolerance is showing along with your hatred. Quote Quote “Dad comes home … and he’s pissed … he loves his children, as disobedient as they may be … ‘You been a bad girl … and you’re getting a vigorous spanking … because you’ve been a bad girl’ …” And when Trump took to the stage, the crowd chanted, “Daddy! Daddy! Daddy!” And? The democrats called Kamala "Momala" and said she'd mother everyone. Once again you try and criticize trump and the republicans for doing the exact same things as the democrats have done.. It's truly pathetic. You rant and rave about how terrible and horrible it is that the Republicans dehumanize people and call their leader daddy once while the democrats do it far more and call their leader Mommy. You are a hypocritical, hate-filled ignorant bigot who is intolerant of other people's views and different lifestyles. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
User Posted November 24, 2024 Report Posted November 24, 2024 4 hours ago, Radiorum said: Please read Trump's tweet that I quoted. And? This has nothing to do with the dishonest comment you made that I was responding to. Quote
Radiorum Posted November 24, 2024 Report Posted November 24, 2024 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: First off for those who believe why wouldn't they believe that? I mean hell it's still printed right on the money, in god we trust. America was founded on judeo-christian values and the whole idea of god is on our side has been prevalent throughout their entire history. Hell our own Canadian constitutions preamble says "Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law". Trusting in God and recognizing his supremacy is not the same as thinking he has an active hand in your affairs. I once asked a die-hard Trump supporter who believed God was on his side why God would pay attention to American politics (saving Trump, lol!) and God did not see fit to intervene in genocide (there's been more than a dozen in the last 100 years) - including the Holocaust and the Holodomor? And his answer was that - "We asked." Do you believe that? Like victims of genocides do not pray. 4 hours ago, CdnFox said: You are a hypocritical, hate-filled ignorant bigot who is intolerant of other people's views and different lifestyles. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself Please, less bait, more counterpoints. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 24, 2024 Report Posted November 24, 2024 33 minutes ago, Radiorum said: Trusting in God and recognizing his supremacy is not the same as thinking he has an active hand in your affairs. It is literally the absolute same thing. How could you trust something that has absolutely no influence in your life at all. Once again, the flaws in your logic are pointed out so you try and redefine words magically on the fly To try and obfuscate their clear meaning. Quote I once asked a die-hard Trump supporter who believed God was on his side why God would pay attention to American politics (saving Trump, lol!) and God did not see fit to intervene in genocide (there's been more than a dozen in the last 100 years) - including the Holocaust and the Holodomor? And his answer was that - "We asked." Do you believe that? We asked what? And when you say do you believe that are you referring to his answer, or your story having taken place? Quote Like victims of genocides do not pray. So you're saying if times were tough you would start praying and believe in god. Well while I appreciate you admitting your hypocrisy I'm not sure it's entirely relevant. Quote Please, less bait, more counterpoints. Please, less stupidity and more thinking. To the degree with which you make stupid comments and completely unfounded arguments you're going to get mocked. That's how this works. If you make semi-intelligent arguments even if I think they're wrong then fine. But absolutely retarded statements like trusting in god isn't the same as believing in god just paints you as a complete loser and you're going to be treated as a complete loser if you talk like that. This isn't the place for you if you want to be treated nicely even though you're being a dishonest scumbag. So either make intelligent arguments that don't rely on silly debate tricks or dishonesty or get used to being shamed or go somewhere else. Those are your options If it makes you feel any better I will say that you are better than when you first showed up here. At that point you look like a 4-year-old trying to explain how the tooth fairy works to scientists. So keep improving. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Radiorum Posted November 24, 2024 Report Posted November 24, 2024 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: How could you trust something that has absolutely no influence in your life at all. Well, I guess it all depends on how you view God. I am a pantheist, so I see God as being the very essence of nature and the Universe. All that exists is God. So what I trust in are the laws of nature. I view nature - everything that exists - with respect and reverence and celebration - but to think that those laws of nature will bend in my favour is beyond all reasonable thought. 9 minutes ago, CdnFox said: We asked what? They had a direct pipeline to God. American evangelists really believe they are God's chosen people. 10 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So you're saying if times were tough you would start praying and believe in god. Well while I appreciate you admitting your hypocrisy I'm not sure it's entirely relevant. That's not what I said at all. My point was that it's the height of arrogance to think that you are somehow deserving and others aren't. 11 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Please, less stupidity and more thinking. Thank goodness just because you say it does not make it true. 12 minutes ago, CdnFox said: If it makes you feel any better I will say that you are better than when you first showed up here. At that point you look like a 4-year-old trying to explain how the tooth fairy works to scientists. So keep improving. Lol, is that—gasp!—kindness? Quote
CdnFox Posted November 24, 2024 Report Posted November 24, 2024 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Radiorum said: Well, I guess it all depends on how you view God. And once again you attempt to turn a losing argument into a winning argument by changing the definition of words. Very obviously a specific religious god is being referred to here. Not just the idea of some deity in general. For more information read a bible. Quote I am a pantheist, Oh good grief. Quote so I see God as being the very essence of nature and the Universe. Nobody cares. It's not your beliefs that we're talking about. The christian god is well defined and obviously what is being referenced in the statements above that we were discussing. Quote They had a direct pipeline to God. American evangelists really believe they are God's chosen people. Yes they do. And it is there right to believe that. And it's every bit as valid as believing that somehow the entire universe is god. (side joke: There was a scene on the old brit tv show 'red dwarf" where the characters are arguing over whether the intelligent machines in their time have an afterlife (where do all the AI toasters go when they die) an Quote d Kryton says to Lister "Don't you believe all intelligent life goes to heaven? I thought you were a panthiest!" " I do, i just don't think it extends to appliances! I'm not a frying pantheist!") Quote That's not what I said at all. My point was that it's the height of arrogance to think that you are somehow deserving and others aren't. well it is what you said isn't it. When people are suffering they pray to god you are certain. If that was true then you must accept that if you were in tough times you would pray to god. Or accept that they didn't as far as you know. You can't have it both ways logically. If we take your new point, it is a very nature of religion to believe that there is an acceptable way to behave or think which therefore makes you worthy of some specific end or benefit. That's not arrogance. As 'the widder and ms thompson' note in the musical Big River, if you don't learn to read then you can't read your bible and you'll never get to heaven cause you won't know how. If you believe in god and the bible, then you ipso facto believe that there is proper behavior which will make you worthy of god's assistance and protection and admission to the afterlife, and that unworthy Behavior will not. And if you think about it that means god is arrogant rather than the people who believe this and I mean come on, Created the whole universe and everything in it in six days, are you really shocked he's a little full of himself? Quote Thank goodness just because you say it does not make it true. That's correct. It was true before I said it not because I said it Quote Lol, is that—gasp!—kindness? Good lord, what part of our interactions to date led you to believe I'm qualified to know that? Edited November 24, 2024 by CdnFox Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
User Posted November 24, 2024 Report Posted November 24, 2024 31 minutes ago, Radiorum said: Thank goodness just because you say it does not make it true. This applies to your baseless assertions here and in other threads as well. 1 Quote
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