Biden/Harris parting gift to the world: A World War

[Nationalist]

28 minutes ago, User said:

You jumped into this discussion to defend Russia. Like all the others, your lame arguments, lies, and BS get destroyed and you got nothing. 

 

Lies? Which lies? Identify them.

I do not "defend" Russia in this. I do not "defend" Ukraine either. I state the facts and choose to not side either way and THAT...I suspect...is what's got you all wound up. Frankly...i think Russia and Ukraine deserve each other.

Edited November 19, 2024 by Nationalist

[User]

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Lies? Which lies? Identify them.

I said in the other discussions... as I have called you out for there. 

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I do not "defend" Russia in this. I do not "defend" Ukraine either. I state the facts and choose to not side either way and THAT...I suspect...is what's got you all wound up. Frankly...i think Russia and Ukraine deserve each other.

Yes, you do. You keep defending their war. You keep lying, pushing propaganda, and you outright cheered them on. 

 

[Radiorum]

1 hour ago, User said:

Do you actually believe this BS?

Let's see what else Trump has done for Russia.

Here are 18 reasons Trump could be a Russian asset

 

He sent Covid-19 testing equipment to Putin at the height of the pandemic. He denounced U.S. efforts to combat Russian misinformation campaigns, going so far as to characterize Russia as a victim. He refused to say whether he wants our Ukrainian allies to prevail in the war against Russia. He talked of the possibility of lifting U.S. sanctions against Russia. He publicly congratulated Russia over a historic prisoner swap. He pointed to Putin for validation to justify his position on Ukraine. He celebrated the fact that Putin was echoing his talking points about the 2024 election and Trump’s multiple criminal indictments. He told a Mar-a-Lago audience how “smart” Putin was for invading a neighboring country. He described Putin’s invasion of Ukraine as “genius” and part of a “wonderful” strategy. Which came on the heels of years’ worth of Trump kowtowing, genuflecting and repeatedly showing abject weakness toward his Russian ally.

And of course the big one:

Trump blames Zelenskyy and U.S. for Putin’s war in Ukraine

[User]

1 minute ago, Radiorum said:

Let's see what else Trump has done for Russia.

Do you actually believe this BS?

[Nationalist]

30 minutes ago, User said:

I said in the other discussions... as I have called you out for there. 

Yes, you do. You keep defending their war. You keep lying, pushing propaganda, and you outright cheered them on. 

 

Lol...i cheered them on?

Really...you're being stupid now.

[Radiorum]

23 minutes ago, User said:

Do you actually believe this BS?

Gosh, I feel like we have entered an Orwellian universe, where knowledge engineering has blurred the lines between truth and lies. Propaganda rules. If it comes down to a choice between believing Trump and his sycophants, or a wide variety of media that has no gain in lying, I'll take the media.

[User]

8 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Gosh, I feel like we have entered an Orwellian universe, where knowledge engineering has blurred the lines between truth and lies. Propaganda rules. If it comes down to a choice between believing Trump and his sycophants, or a wide variety of media that has no gain in lying, I'll take the media.

Do you actually believe this BS?

27 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...i cheered them on?

Really...you're being stupid now.

Yeah, your comment has been copied and pasted several times now in other discussions. 

[Radiorum]

10 minutes ago, User said:

Do you actually believe this BS?

Lol

[User]

1 minute ago, Radiorum said:

Lol

You want to get away with providing garbage sources making the claim without having the integrity of owning up to if you really believe it or not. 

[Radiorum]

16 minutes ago, User said:

17 minutes ago, User said:

You want to get away with providing garbage sources making the claim without having the integrity of owning up to if you really believe it or not. 

My sources are valid and not garbage. Yes, I believe that Trump is a Russian asset.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, User said:

Do you actually believe this BS?

Yeah, your comment has been copied and pasted several times now in other discussions. 

Lol...

[User]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

Yes, I believe that Trump is a Russian asset.

Dear Lord... so every single American law enforcement and spy agency has let this slip through the cracks, but a KGB spy wrote it in a book and now you believe it. 

There is no hope for you here. This is so wildly outlandish and absurd. 

 

[WestCanMan]

• NATO member appears to oppose Ukrainian use of US missiles against Russia

  By Deborah Haynes, security and defence editor

  The president of Turkey - a NATO member - has signalled he does not support the US decision to allow Ukraine to fire American ballistic missiles into Russia.

  With Russia raising new nuclear threats, Recep Tayyip Erdogan also cautioned against any war involving nuclear weapons.

  He was speaking at a news conference at the end of a two-day G20 summit in Brazil.

  Asked by Sky News whether he supported the US move or whether he thought it may risk direct confrontation with Moscow, even a nuclear war, the president said: "We can never say that a war where nuclear weapons are used can result in anything positive."

  Speaking through a translator, Erdogan continued: "Recently the missiles used by Ukraine are also an indication of the potential or possible consequences. These are not positive developments."

   

  Basically everything I post is from Sky News unless i post otherwise lol. 

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Let's see what else Trump has done for Russia.

Here are 18 reasons Trump could be a Russian asset

 

He sent Covid-19 testing equipment to Putin at the height of the pandemic. He denounced U.S. efforts to combat Russian misinformation campaigns, going so far as to characterize Russia as a victim. He refused to say whether he wants our Ukrainian allies to prevail in the war against Russia. He talked of the possibility of lifting U.S. sanctions against Russia. He publicly congratulated Russia over a historic prisoner swap. He pointed to Putin for validation to justify his position on Ukraine. He celebrated the fact that Putin was echoing his talking points about the 2024 election and Trump’s multiple criminal indictments. He told a Mar-a-Lago audience how “smart” Putin was for invading a neighboring country. He described Putin’s invasion of Ukraine as “genius” and part of a “wonderful” strategy. Which came on the heels of years’ worth of Trump kowtowing, genuflecting and repeatedly showing abject weakness toward his Russian ally.

And of course the big one:

Trump blames Zelenskyy and U.S. for Putin’s war in Ukraine

1. Canada sent planeloads of PPE to China during covid and they gave us rubber dogshit in return. I don't begrudge our dedication to saving lives of Chinese people, but Trudeau did that while he was saying covid probably won't affect Canadians", Fauci was saying "Covid probably isn't transmissible among humans", and trudeau and Faucie were both saying "Don't wear masks" (but somehow China needed masks for covid... 🤨 )

2. There's nothing wrong with a POTUS helping Russia save the lives of Russian people, a55hole.

3. The "denounced US efforts to combat Russian disinformation...." link goes to MSNBC, genius. Even the leftards here will admit that MSNBC is nothing but drivel for braindead id10ts. And did you even read that article? Your summary was quite stupid, FYI.

4. Trump wants the war over. That's it. It shouldn't have happened, but the US elected Biden, and when you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. Now there's a war and it needs to end. Plain and simple. Get it, dummy?

5. I didn't bother to read the rest of the crap links you posted there except for the one about Trump "saying how smart Putin was", and it's nothing like your lame characterization stated. FYI Trump's point is basically that Biden's deterrent to Russia was $2M in sanctions, which is a pittance compared to the territory Russia grabbed. It's like having a $2K fine for robbing jewelry stores. Duh.....

I'm guessing that you don't know that Biden is a complete id10t, and you don't understand how Biden's weakness and stupidity caused these conflicts to erupt. 

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And of course the big one:

Trump blames Zelenskyy and U.S. for Putin’s war in Ukraine

Oh, right, the dumbest one of all.

First, you cited the Maddow Blog, which is like just asking for a score of -10 on an IQ test, second, that article is so devoid of facts, insights and intelligent commentary that it's not worth commenting on. 

Honestly, they "don't know how Ukraine could have avoided the war"??????? They're adults ffs. There's no excuse. 

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6 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Gosh, I feel like we have entered an Orwellian universe, where knowledge engineering has blurred the lines between truth and lies. Propaganda rules. If it comes down to a choice between believing Trump and his sycophants, or a wide variety of media that has no gain in lying, I'll take the media.

By "the media", he means Rachel Maddow and MSNBC 🤣

I'm not kidding, click on his links. 

[WestCanMan]

Listen: Why is there talk of World War Three?

As the conflict in Ukraine enters its 1,000th day, the war could be about to shift. 

President Joe Biden's approval for Ukraine to strike deep inside Russia with long-range US missiles has sparked fears of escalation, with fury in Moscow. 

Vladimir Putin has previously called the move "an unacceptable red line", as Western leaders, including UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer at the G20, weigh their next steps.   

Daily host Niall Paterson explores whether this moment marks a turning point for Ukraine, or the brink of something far worse. 

Ivor Bennett, our Moscow correspondent, and defence analyst Tim Ripley join Niall Patterson to discuss why these missiles could change the course of the war. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Recep Tayyip Erdogan also cautioned against any war involving nuclear weapons.

Well I mean it's not an unreasonable position.  I'm told nuclear weapons can be bad    

Edited November 20, 2024 by CdnFox

[myata]

And so: standing to aggressive thugs, bandits and tyrants of the world is now a big no-no. "A world war". Anathema.

See it for what it is: there isn't a grain of misunderstanding or exaggeration. This is really and de facto burning all bridges to the essence of America that was. Just so you knew. No surprises.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well I mean it's not an unreasonable position.  I'm told nuclear weapons can be bad    

Normally that goes without saying, but someone had to tell Joe Biden. 

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So glad the Biden Administration gave the green light, allowing the Ukraine to strike deep into Russian territory with missiles, considering Trump will almost certainly sell them out within a week of his inauguration. 

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6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Listen: Why is there talk of World War Three?

As the conflict in Ukraine enters its 1,000th day, the war could be about to shift. 

President Joe Biden's approval for Ukraine to strike deep inside Russia with long-range US missiles has sparked fears of escalation, with fury in Moscow. 

Vladimir Putin has previously called the move "an unacceptable red line", as Western leaders, including UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer at the G20, weigh their next steps.   

Daily host Niall Paterson explores whether this moment marks a turning point for Ukraine, or the brink of something far worse. 

Ivor Bennett, our Moscow correspondent, and defence analyst Tim Ripley join Niall Patterson to discuss why these missiles could change the course of the war. 

After Trump's cabinet picks, I'm actually starting to see some positive outcomes, if a World War were to break out. First off, nobody is foolish enough to use nuclear weapons. It would have happened in the 50s, and it certainly would have happened within 6 months of Russia invading Ukraine, only to get their asses handed to them. 

Hard times make hard men. Soft times make soft men. Unfortunately for Americans, a bunch of soft men are ruling the country. By definition, "soft men" show all the signs of moral turpitude (con men, thieves, sexual perverts, disloyal, etc). 

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14 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Gosh, I feel like we have entered an Orwellian universe, where knowledge engineering has blurred the lines between truth and lies. Propaganda rules. If it comes down to a choice between believing Trump and his sycophants, or a wide variety of media that has no gain in lying, I'll take the media.

User is a lost cause. He has been so brainwashed by the MAGA cult that he thinks Trump and Musk are actually going to help Ukraine, when any non-brainwashed person with a passing knowledge of politics will understand that the country is essentially doomed under the trump administration. 

Edited November 20, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Radiorum]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm guessing that you don't know that Biden is a complete id10t, and you don't understand how Biden's weakness and stupidity caused these conflicts to erupt. 

If NATO-Russian relations have deteriorated, the fault lies completely and totally with Putin, as does the fault for the war.

Before him, following the breakdown of the USSR in 1991, to about 2004, there was cause for optimism – a period of cooperation between Russia and NATO. Mid-1990s, Russian military even operated under NATO command in Bosnia and Herzegovina. In 1997, The NATO-Russia Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security was signed by Russia and NATO at the NATO summit in Paris, France. The act was:
 

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… a road map for would-be NATO-Russia cooperation. The act had 5 main sections, outlining the principles of the relationship, the range of issues NATO and Russia would discuss, the military dimensions of the relationship, and the mechanisms to foster greater military-military cooperation.

The height of US-Russian relations occurred following the attacks of 9/11 – with Russia and the US even sharing intelligence.

Then, Putin got in power and spread his authoritarian, imperialist tentacles. Relations with NATO deteriorated. All kinds of hostile trade actions and threats, and military actions (Azerbaijan, Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, Turkey, Kazakhstan), peppered with assassinations of Putin’s opponents by Russian intelligence on NATO territory.

It all boils down to Putin. Trump even acknowledged this in a tweet from 2014:

 Mar 21st 2014 - 10:03:49 PM EST

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I believe Putin will continue to re-build the Russian Empire. He has zero respect for … the U.S.!

But we are supposed to believe that Putin will put aside everything he has worked for through the sheer force of Trump’s personality?

Trump, the poor deluded megalomaniac, with complete ignorance of the geo-political-historical context in which Ukraine and Russia exist, and in his fawning worship of the “strongman,” and that strongman’s flattery of him, thinks he is the only one in the whole entire world that can twist Putin’s arm because “Putin likes him.”  

It was Putin who rejected any peace plan in 2022 without him being the full victor, which included the overthrow of the Ukrainian government. As of this year, Putin has not changed his goals.

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Russian President Vladimir Putin continued to demonstrate that Russia is not interested in negotiating with Ukraine in good faith and that Russia’s maximalist objectives in Ukraine – which are tantamount to full Ukrainian and Western surrender – remain unchanged. 

 https://bcfausa.org/institute-for-the-study-of-war-putin-calls-again-for-overthrow-of-ukrainian-government/

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

If NATO-Russian relations have deteriorated, the fault lies completely and totally with Putin, as does the fault for the war.

Before him, following the breakdown of the USSR in 1991, to about 2004, there was cause for optimism – a period of cooperation between Russia and NATO. Mid-1990s, Russian military even operated under NATO command in Bosnia and Herzegovina. In 1997, The NATO-Russia Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security was signed by Russia and NATO at the NATO summit in Paris, France. The act was:

The height of US-Russian relations occurred following the attacks of 9/11 – with Russia and the US even sharing intelligence.

Then, Putin got in power and spread his authoritarian, imperialist tentacles. Relations with NATO deteriorated. All kinds of hostile trade actions and threats, and military actions (Azerbaijan, Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, Turkey, Kazakhstan), peppered with assassinations of Putin’s opponents by Russian intelligence on NATO territory.

Right there you just totally lost all credibility.

FYI, regardless of whether you're talking about a married couple, siblings, kids at school, or world leaders, it's never "just one person". Your assertion that "this wuz jist a land grab" is patently stupid. 

With that comment you basically admitted that you're completely oblivious to the fact that Joe Biden was working on getting NATO into Ukraine as far back as 2009, when Obama was the president.

 https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32026748

• Biden: U.S. supports Ukraine’s NATO bid

  Washington supports Ukraine's bid to join NATO and the former Soviet republic is free to choose its own foreign policy alliances, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden told Ukraine's president on Tuesday.

Now tell me you know what would happen if Canada tried to join a military alliance with China, Iran, and Russia....

What would happen, Radiorum? 

This site is actually full of people, like User, who think that Canada could do such a thing and the US wouldn't lift a finger. 

I can't be bothered talking to anyone who doesn't understand the realities of Ukraine in NATO from a Russian POV.

[Radiorum]

50 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

t's never "just one person". 

Then I suggest you do some reading to understand what autocratic power is, specifically Putin’s.

A good place to start is by reading Bill Browder’s book Red Notice: A True Story of High Finance, Murder, and One Man’s Fight for Justice – to better understand how Putin operates.

When Putin first came into power, he met with his oligarchs. One spoke out against him, and Putin had him put in prison. The other oligarchs saw the writing on the wall, and asked Putin, “How much?”

“Fifty percent,” Putin answered.

And so, he consolidated his power, and his fortune.

How Putin Conquered Russia's Oligarchy

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Putin offered the oligarchs a deal: bend to my authority, stay out of my way, and you can keep your mansions, superyachts, private jets, and multibillion-dollar corporations (corporations that, just a few years before, had been owned by the Russian government). In the coming years, the oligarchs who reneged on this deal and undermined Putin would be thrown into a Siberian prison or be forced into exile or die in suspicious circumstances. The loyalists who remained — and the new ones who got filthy rich during Putin's long reign — became like ATM machines for the president and his allies.

[Radiorum]

54 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Now tell me you know what would happen if Canada tried to join a military alliance with China, Iran, and Russia

That’s a ludicrous hypothetical, since Canada is a defender of democracy. And the consequences would be devastating if the US gives up their leadership role in the world as a defender of democracy (as Trump appears ready to do).

I think we need to be reminded of the words of Franklin Delano Roosevelt in his third augural address, made in January, 1941, nearly a year before the attack on Pearl Harbour:

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In this day the task of the people is to save that Nation and its institutions from disruption from without.

To us there has come a time, in the midst of swift happenings, to pause for a moment and take stock- to recall what our place in history has been, and to rediscover what we are and what we may be. If we do not, we risk the real peril of isolation, the real peril of inaction.

Lives of Nations are determined not by the count of years, but by the lifetime of the human spirit. The life of a man is threescore years and ten: a little more, a little less. The life of a Nation is the fullness of the measure of its will to live.

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In the face of great perils never before encountered, our strong purpose is to protect and to perpetuate the integrity of democracy.

For this we muster the spirit of America, and the faith of America.