refugees in Canada get $224.00 per day from our Government to eat and stay in a hotel room. That's more than the average canadian makes per day.

[taxme]

On 11/17/2024 at 9:50 AM, CdnFox said:

This is absolutely insane. We have got to drastically cut back the number of refugees we will accept. We can't even afford to take care of our own people and we're paying beyond the average Canadian wage to take care of other people that we have no responsibility for

 

 

And of course comrade MH just loves seeing illegal criminal so called refugees get to take our tax dollars to criminals who should not be here. But this is what we get when we allow Marxists in our federal government to control our immigration system. Just wait until thousands of those criminal illegals in America start to head for Canada after Trump is sworn in as President. I can see the Marxist dictator in Ottawa welcoming all of them with open arms. What Canada is going to need is men like those two to get rid of the thousands that will soon be heading north. I say good luck on that one alright. I do not even think that the conservative party if elected in the next election will do much about it. 

Good luck Canada, you are going to need all the luck you can get. 😒

[taxme]

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

@Michael Hardner was just over in another thread trying to claim that I somehow enjoy the pain and misery of others, and meanwhile is over here laughing at the fact that candians are suffering while paying for others.

Mike  your hypocrisy knows no bounds.  Right, mr "i wish we could have a civil discussion'? 

more than you probably. The left always loves to spend other people's money and demands that other people make sacrifices, but god forbid they ever get off their ass and contribute in any meaningful way

Mh is looking forward to the day when white people do not exist any longer in Canada. That fool hates white and Christian Canada. He wants Marxism for Canada. Just saying. 

[User]

25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm not pretending when I say I think what the government is doing is more noble than leaving refugees out in the street.

That was not your argument. You were arguing about "charity"

Government doesn't engage in "charity" when it is taxing people and dispersing those funds to others. 

Now, if you want to change your argument to you think that is something noble, great. 

27 minutes ago, eyeball said:

But if it does, it clearly puts Jesus on the left don't you think?

Nope. 

[taxme]

On 11/17/2024 at 12:30 PM, blackbird said:

Michael Hardner finds that funny?  Give us a break.  Explain yourself.  Michael you are out of touch with reality, just as the Liberals are.  Canadians are paying for this disaster of a government.  Many Canadians have to depend on food banks and the health care system is failing while Trudeau gives vast amounts of money to refugees.

Ask MH if he really cares? 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

OTOH we could just say it's doing something necessary.

But it isn't and you can't explain why. 

[eyeball]

54 minutes ago, User said:

That was not your argument. You were arguing about "charity"

Blackbird made it about charity when he compared this assistance to refugees with  food banks - unless I'm mistaken food banks provide charity right?

54 minutes ago, User said:

Government doesn't engage in "charity" when it is taxing people and dispersing those funds to others.

I can see how you'd feel this way if you believe taxation is thievery or an unholy abomination.

54 minutes ago, User said:

Now, if you want to change your argument to you think that is something noble, great.

Something more noble I said than leaving refugees to the mercy of the streets and food banks.

WWJD?

 

[taxme]

On 11/17/2024 at 12:44 PM, eyeball said:

How much have you given? Not enough apparently or the government wouldn't have to pick up where Christianity can't or won't.

Yet, left wing liberals like you support this system that gives taxpayer's tax dollars away by the hundreds of millions to illegal criminals that entered Canada illegally. You are the bloody problem and never the solution. Go away, fool. 

[User]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Blackbird made it about charity when he compared this assistance to refugees with  food banks - unless I'm mistaken food banks provide charity right?

No, you commented on charity directly to me. 

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I can see how you'd feel this way if you believe taxation is thievery or an unholy abomination.

Its not a feeling, it was a statement of fact. 

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Something more noble I said than leaving refugees to the mercy of the streets and food banks.

WWJD?

Certainly not YOUR being noble... 

Jesus would be running the food bank. 

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But it isn't and you can't explain why

Sure it is, because people's charity alone isn't enough.

[taxme]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

Whose fault is that?  So instead give some illegal migrant or fake refugee that just walks across the border or any refugee for that matter $224 a day or $81,760 a year.  There are billions of people in the world living in poverty.  Why not force Canadians to support millions of them?  Isn't that what your Socialism says should be done?  That's what the U.N. wants you to do.

There are millions of Canadians who have lived and worked here all their lives and don't earn near that much money.  If you don't see the insanity of this, nothing anybody says will help.

We do give tax dollars away willy-nilly. It is called foreign aid where billions of our tax dollars have gone to 3rd world countries in the present and past. I don't want to pay taxes and have the government go give it away to other countries. That is stealing. We have Canadians in need in this country. This is one of the reasons why i consider Canada to be a Marxist like country. This is what Marxists do. Take from the have and give it to the have not's. If you want to help people then use your own money, and leave mine alone. 

The Marxist dictator in Ottawa could care less about Canada and Canadians. It's always about the rest of the world to that buffoon. 

[taxme]

22 hours ago, herbie said:

Illegal immigrants, fake refugees...
You claim to be a Canadian and swallow MAGA bullshit as your diet?

You mean like the fake refugee they wanted to deport because some immigration officer read the penalty for dodging the Russian draft was only a $7 - $42 fine ? And the ones here on student and work visas that would like to be immigrants?

Admit it you'd be squealing like a stuck pig if they even proposed a couple multi-million dollar refugee centres to put them up in.
Come on put your money where your mouth is here, stand up and demand your congregation demand citizenship ID at their soup kitchen!

Short, sweet and simple. Enter Canada legal or face deportation. Once anyone enters Canada illegally, they have become a criminal illegal according to the immigration act and immediately booted out of Canada. Works for me. 

Trump is about to do the same. Kick all illegals out of America, and rightly so. 😇

There should be citizenship ID demands everywhere in Canada. If you do not belong or live here legally, then boot the criminals out tout suite. Ya baby!

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

It was political with regard to the relationships between people their money their beliefs and their governments. Like most of the bandwidth this forum takes up.

Assuming it really is their money which is something this scripture seems to question.

Sure but when this advocacy turns its attention to the issue of how or where governments collect the money they spend in the first place and say it's stolen at gunpoint by the government...is this what you Christians imagine Jesus was saying? Or is it just what you want to hear?

The government does not need a gun to steal taxpayer's tax dollars. 🙃

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, User said:

No, you commented on charity directly to me. 

In the context of a thread steered in that direction by blackbird.

4 minutes ago, User said:

Its not a feeling, it was a statement of fact.

So the Pharisees weren't being duplicitous after all?

6 minutes ago, User said:

Certainly not YOUR being noble...

Whatever that means.

6 minutes ago, User said:

Jesus would be running the food bank. 

Yeah but supernaturally right, meaning all this hooey over taxation/theft would be entirely moot.

I refer you back to your comment about ancient Rome and our more enlightened way of seeing the world as it really is.  

[taxme]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I'm not pretending when I say I think what the government is doing is more noble than leaving refugees out in the street.

I'm only doing the same thing which is telling you what I think he meant, that communism the left and theft has nothing to do with helping people.

But if it does, it clearly puts Jesus on the left don't you think?

Personally I think he was simply a natural born humanist with a keen eye for the human condition - woke in a word.

If an illegal criminal refugee does not want to live on the streets in Canada, especially in winter, then do not come to Canada at all. I do not owe these criminals anything. I am not my worlds brothers keeper. I am and for Canada and Canadians first, dimwit. You are not. 

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure it is, because people's charity alone isn't enough.

And? If the people don't want to give what they have to someone else that is their choice. Forcing them to do it doesn't make it right

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, taxme said:

The government does not need a gun to steal taxpayer's tax dollars. 🙃

Only a loon believes taxation = stealing.

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And? If the people don't want to give what they have to someone else that is their choice. Forcing them to do it doesn't make it right

Thankfully we have legislation to make it right instead of force.

[User]

40 minutes ago, eyeball said:

In the context of a thread steered in that direction by blackbird.

Explain how it was in that context. 

40 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So the Pharisees weren't being duplicitous after all?

Yes, they were. 

41 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Whatever that means.

Just what it says. That it isn't your nobility that someone else or some other organization, government or otherwise, is doing this. 

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yeah but supernaturally right, meaning all this hooey over taxation/theft would be entirely moot.

I refer you back to your comment about ancient Rome and our more enlightened way of seeing the world as it really is.  

What difference does it make in how he runs the food bank? The point is still the same. He would be running the food bank, not going to Ceaser and wanting him to take money from others to do it for him. 

 

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Only a loon believes taxation = stealing.

 

Only a woke leftist doesn't realize that that is exactly what it is when the government oversteps his boundaries.

The fact that the theft is legal doesn't mean it's not theft. And this has been brought up before, for example during world war II the government not only incarcerated Canadian citizens of Japanese descent, it took their property and sold it to their friends at a discount and kept the money. This is done under the same provisions that allow for taxation and so on. Since then it has been widely agreed that this was severe government overreach and the theft of their property even if it was done legally

Are you saying that you support the idea of incarcerating people, stealing their money and property as they did with the japanese?

It's always important for a government to make sure that it doesn't overreach. The reason it was given the power of taxation and to take people's property or money was so that it could provide the services that are core to its mandates. Stepping outside of that becomes immoral even if it is legal. As we saw with the Japanese.

54 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Thankfully we have legislation to make it right instead of force.

Legislation is force. In fact all legislation specifically notes when it's going to be 'in force'   Legislation says you are required to do this under severe penalty should you choose not to. That's force.

Most people have that figured out by the time they're grade five. Glad you could finally catch up with us

[herbie]

On 11/17/2024 at 2:35 PM, blackbird said:

instead give some illegal migrant

First, get it through your numb skull that you don't just walk in and ask to immigrate. If you do, or you overstay your visa you DO get deported.
Second if you claim refugee status we're required to look at your claim.If turned down, bye bye.
Those are the laws.

Third if you're complaint is this isn't happening fast enough you better choke back your feelings and hire way more 'public employee' border staff.
Give up on inducing the Yankee level panic because they aren't crawling over the Arctic ice or landing on our shores in rubber rafts. There's only ONE border and most are headed the other way at the moment. Granted we will have to man the in betweens once the Orange Oaf tries shoving their unwanteds northwards.

[eyeball]

31 minutes ago, User said:

Explain how it was in that context.

Go ask blackbird.

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Yes, they were.

Jesus certainly wasn't. 

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Just what it says. That it isn't your nobility that someone else or some other organization, government or otherwise, is doing this. 

Okay, but it's still more appropriate to help than not don't you think?

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What difference does it make in how he runs the food bank? The point is still the same. He would be running the food bank, not going to Ceaser and wanting him to take money from others to do it for him.

Well, I guess Caesar read the Bible and just decided to help out anyway - they have the authority after all and we know WJWD that being the case, like I said he wasn't being duplicitous.

[eyeball]

31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Legislation is force. In fact all legislation specifically notes when it's going to be 'in force'   Legislation says you are required to do this under severe penalty should you choose not to. That's force.

Most people have that figured out by the time they're grade five. Glad you could finally catch up with us

Most people also get over it by the time they're old enough to vote. Grow up.

[User]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Go ask blackbird.

Its your argument, not his. 

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Jesus certainly wasn't. 

And?

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Okay, but it's still more appropriate to help than not don't you think?

No. Tax $$$ is not an unlimited resource. That is money you are taking from others and are now giving more to refugees than the average Canadian is making when you still have Canadians who are hurting, poor, or otherwise need assistance. 

Bringing "refugees" to the nation is a choice to use those limited resources on others. 

If you feel it is more appropriate, you are more than free to give more of your money to them overseas. I somehow imagine you prioritize many other things in your life over that though. 

So, the question is, why don't you think it is more appropriate to help them yourself?

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well, I guess Caesar read the Bible and just decided to help out anyway - they have the authority after all and we know WJWD that being the case, like I said he wasn't being duplicitous.

Well, I certainly understand what Jesus was doing. As I have repeatedly had to correct you now, I still don't think you know. 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Only a loon believes taxation = stealing.

Thankfully we have legislation to make it right instead of force.

Most of the taxes that Canadians pay are taxes that are being stolen from the taxpayer's by the governments of all levels. No one ever asked for multiculturalism, bilingualism, foreign aid, metric or the many other Marxist globalist programs and agendas that have not done a dam good thing for Canada or Canadians except to try and make them go woke and go broke. All those mentioned above were forced on we the people. Stop appearing to be a dummy all your life, lefty. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Most people also get over it by the time they're old enough to vote. Grow up.

No they don't, People hate paying extra taxes. The vast majority of people only want to pay taxes that actually do some good. That's why the carbon tax is hated right now, people paid it and there's no benefit from it.

You have smoked yourself retarded if you think anybody gets overpaying wasteful taxes.

I've been telling you that for decades  

[eyeball]

16 minutes ago, User said:

Its your argument, not his.

He raised it in an argument you joined after he raised it. Why are you taking it so personally - you hate taxes too? So does everyone in the universe - get over it.

21 minutes ago, User said:

And?

Put yourself in his shoes, something he wants us to do all the time. So if you're faced with duplicitous inquisitors do you respond with duplicity or do you tell it like it is?  Doing so cost him his life, WWYD?

47 minutes ago, User said:

No. Tax $$$ is not an unlimited resource. That is money you are taking from others and are now giving more to refugees than the average Canadian is making when you still have Canadians who are hurting, poor, or otherwise need assistance.

We live in a real world of hurt alright, in the meantime I doubt Jesus would use this as an excuse to not help anyone who needed it.

29 minutes ago, User said:

So, the question is, why don't you think it is more appropriate to help them yourself?

That's sort of what I'm asking blackbird.

31 minutes ago, User said:

Bringing "refugees" to the nation is a choice to use those limited resources on others.

That sounds a little conspiratorial.

And the difference between refugees and "refugees" sounds downright duplicitous.  You figure that's WJWD, put quotation marks around the issue to steer it in another direction or set a trap?

54 minutes ago, User said:

If you feel it is more appropriate, you are more than free to give more of your money to them overseas. I somehow imagine you prioritize many other things in your life over that though. 

I imagine you ascribe all sorts of awful motives to me. Jesus of course would tell you not bear false witness but you also have free will so. Not much anyone can do about that...least of all the Almighty Creator of the entire universe.

1 hour ago, User said:

So, the question is, why don't you think it is more appropriate to help them yourself?

I simply don't have the resources to personally provide the help they need. And if we don't as a country then sure we should reassess who does get our help.  Can we start with the oil industry?  I'm pretty sure after all we'll be seeing a lot more refugees due to climate change so this seems like an appropriate place to have a discussion about government "charity" - financing the things that are bound to increase refugees seems especially inappropriate don't you think?

1 hour ago, User said:

Well, I certainly understand what Jesus was doing. As I have repeatedly had to correct you now, I still don't think you know.

That's okay, I think you're totally clueless too.

[User]

46 minutes ago, eyeball said:

He raised it in an argument you joined after he raised it. Why are you taking it so personally - you hate taxes too? So does everyone in the universe - get over it.

I am not taking anything personally. Now that you have moved on from your bad argument and are trying to change the subject... now what?

47 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Put yourself in his shoes, something he wants us to do all the time. So if you're faced with duplicitous inquisitors do you respond with duplicity or do you tell it like it is?  Doing so cost him his life, WWYD?

What does any of this have to do with anything?

47 minutes ago, eyeball said:

We live in a real world of hurt alright, in the meantime I doubt Jesus would use this as an excuse to not help anyone who needed it.

We are not talking about Jesus. We are talking about the Canadian government. Are you now advocating for a theocracy? Do you want Canada to base all their laws on Christianity now?

48 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That's sort of what I'm asking blackbird.

That is what I am asking you. So... you going to run away and not answer?

49 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That sounds a little conspiratorial.

And the difference between refugees and "refugees" sounds downright duplicitous.  You figure that's WJWD, put quotation marks around the issue to steer it in another direction or set a trap?

There is nothing conspiratorial about it. How do you think refugees get to Canada? The way refugee is very loosely defined to allow this status is not a conspiracy. 

50 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I imagine you ascribe all sorts of awful motives to me. Jesus of course would tell you not bear false witness but you also have free will so. Not much anyone can do about that...least of all the Almighty Creator of the entire universe.

Yet, here you are on an internet forum. Spending your time, money, and resources here instead of helping others. How many other ways are you wasting your time and money on other things than helping the refugees?
 

52 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I simply don't have the resources to personally provide the help they need. And if we don't as a country then sure we should reassess who does get our help.  Can we start with the oil industry?  I'm pretty sure after all we'll be seeing a lot more refugees due to climate change so this seems like an appropriate place to have a discussion about government "charity" - financing the things that are bound to increase refugees seems especially inappropriate don't you think?

Sure you do. You can provide as much help as you can, but you choose not to. 

Here you go again with charity claim. It is not charity from the government. You explain how climate change is creating refugees and what exactly it is you think we can do to change that.