Do right wingers here really believe that Trump's appointees (Gaetz, RFK, & Gabbard) are actually QUALIFIED for those offices?

[BeaverFever]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So he is a self-made billionaire and his father's money didn't really help. And he was so before the election in 2016.

No once you have the level of wealth he inherited from his father you’re always rich for life even if on paper you’re bankrupt.. It’s just a big paper game. It’s not like Trump was living in a motel or something and then rebuilt his fortune from scratch. Even when he was at his most insolvent he was still living in mansions and flying around in his private jet with his decades-long good buddy Jeffrey Epstein and living the life of a billionaire elite   His business ventures were simply bankrupt until they got juiced by Kremlin cronies and became a Putin puppet.

[CdnFox]

45 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

No once you have the level of wealth he inherited from his father you’re always rich for life even if on paper you’re bankrupt.

Sorry but that's just not true.  It is true that he restructured some of his businesses and managed to keep his head above water long enough to recover but that still requires extreme skill and management. It's still him making his own way not living off of his daddy's money. It's still him, and when he rebuilt after that it was him. If I dropped you into that same mess I doubt you would be able to achieve those results

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. It’s just a big paper game. It’s not like Trump was living in a motel or something and then rebuilt his fortune from scratch.

His businesses were wiped out, they needed to be redone from scratch or restructured, took him 10 years to get back to Being a success and even then he had businesses failing on him.

You seem to think this stuff is easy and that anyone can do it. That's not the case. But what is certain is it wasn't his daddy's money that made him successful after the businesses he started went bankrupt, it was his skill and his ability to attract new investors

[robosmith]

One down, two to go.

Gaetz withdraws as Trump's pick for attorney general

AP News

https://apnews.com › article › gaetz-trump-fbi-justice-d...

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago — Matt Gaetz has withdrawn as President-elect Donald Trump's pick for attorney general following scrutiny over a federal sex trafficking ...

AKA, NOT QUALIFIED. LMAO

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

One down, two to go.

Gaetz withdraws as Trump's pick for attorney general

AP News

https://apnews.com › article › gaetz-trump-fbi-justice-d...

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago — Matt Gaetz has withdrawn as President-elect Donald Trump's pick for attorney general following scrutiny over a federal sex trafficking ...

AKA, NOT QUALIFIED. LMAO

Because you think trump will put a less crazy person in now that his first choice has been shot down?

[robosmith]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Because you think trump will put a less crazy person in now that his first choice has been shot down?

i never said ^this CDNLiar. Although Trump will have to look far and wide to find a more crazy candidate. Might just as well nominate himself, cause he meets his most important criteria.  LMAO

Edited November 21, 2024 by robosmith

[impartialobserver]

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If the last administration wasn't a total failure by every reasonable standard then Dems might have some credibility on this issue.

Makes sense, right?

"We did a good job of this - as you can clearly see by the roaring economy, secure borders and global peace - and we don't think you guys are doing well at all." That type of comment would hold some water, but the truth is that they can't say anything of the sort because the Dems' appointments were proven to be awful: the current administration failed miserably by every important metric.

Trump's picks in 2017 left the border far more secure, the economy was firing on all cylinders, global peace rose by more than at any other point in 60 years, etc. The 2024 GOP picks also seem reasonable. 

That's the stuff of debate, not merely "Waaaah, we don't like your picks", which is what you're insinuating. 

My comments are not about an administration being bad, good, indifferent. Any time that there is a democratic president, you will complain about everything that they do. Likewise, every time that there is a Republican president types like Robosmith will complain everything that they do. All it takes is a simple knowledge of human nature to see this. But your partisan, biased ways have and will always keep you from seeing this. 

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, robosmith said:

i never said ^this CDNLiar.

Nobody said you did Robo liar   That's why there's a? At the end

But I forgot how weak your English skills were. Kind of sounds like I touched a nerve though, did you realize how stupid your comments were and now you're embarrassed?

[robosmith]

48 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

My comments are not about an administration being bad, good, indifferent. Any time that there is a democratic president, you will complain about everything that they do. Likewise, every time that there is a Republican president types like Robosmith will complain everything that they do. All it takes is a simple knowledge of human nature to see this. But your partisan, biased ways have and will always keep you from seeing this. 

Except I don't "complain about everything they do." There are some things that have benefitted me (very few), which I don't even mention.

My complaints always have SOLID EVIDENCE and REASON why they are WRONG. Like when Trump cozies up to Putin cause he has a tower development project in Moscow on the line, which he LIED about.

Certainly even you can see how unethical that is, even though you excuse it as not affecting you personally.  

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

My comments are not about an administration being bad, good, indifferent. Any time that there is a democratic president, you will complain about everything that they do. Likewise, every time that there is a Republican president types like Robosmith will complain everything that they do. All it takes is a simple knowledge of human nature to see this. But your partisan, biased ways have and will always keep you from seeing this. 

Right, so you're insinuating that "you instantly know that everything is meritless so you don't read it, but you come here to tell people that you don't care so you're not reading it". 

And you don't think that you're closed-minded or biased lol. 

F-off io, your posts are worthless. 

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Right, so you're insinuating that "you instantly know that everything is meritless so you don't read it, but you come here to tell people that you don't care so you're not reading it". 

And you don't think that you're closed-minded or biased lol. 

F-off io, your posts are worthless. 

And yet you respond of your volition... quite sad

You obviously have no knowledge of human nature. When you have two groups opposed to another.. the other will complain because they did not win. If you are 1/10 as smart as you claim to be... you would know this already. 

[BeaverFever]

Annnnd the massively unqualified pervert Gaetz withdraws as Trump’s AG.  Good riddance!  Who will be the next despicable human being to enter or exit the Trump Deplorable clown car?

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Annnnd the massively unqualified pervert Gaetz withdraws as Trump’s AG.  Good riddance!  Who will be the next despicable human being to enter or exit the Trump Deplorable clown car?

LOL  ahhhh you -  always the optimist   

[CouchPotato]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

One down, two to go.

Gaetz withdraws as Trump's pick for attorney general

AP News

https://apnews.com › article › gaetz-trump-fbi-justice-d...

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago — Matt Gaetz has withdrawn as President-elect Donald Trump's pick for attorney general following scrutiny over a federal sex trafficking ...

AKA, NOT QUALIFIED. LMAO

Awww, he beat me to it. I was at Crappy Tire getting my winter tires on.

[WestCanMan]

29 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

And yet you respond of your volition... quite sad

You obviously have no knowledge of human nature. When you have two groups opposed to another.. the other will complain because they did not win. If you are 1/10 as smart as you claim to be... you would know this already. 

Oh, I know for sure that leftists are going to lie about everything because they always do. You don't have to be a genius to know that. 

That doesn't make what I said without merit. If you'd like to make the claim that it was, that requires specifics, not merely "The ancient wisdom of io" lol. 

[impartialobserver]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Oh, I know for sure that leftists are going to lie about everything because they always do. You don't have to be a genius to know that. 

That doesn't make what I said without merit. If you'd like to make the claim that it was, that requires specifics, not merely "The ancient wisdom of io" lol. 

Yes, every decision of Trump's is going to draw complaints. Why? Because the opposing party lost. How do I know that it is really that simple? Easy.. how immediate it is. When you respond quickly, it tells one that you did not take any time to sift through details, do any research, ponder any context... However, that is the nature of our current political world. 

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Yes, every decision of Trump's is going to draw complaints. Why? Because the opposing party lost. How do I know that it is really that simple? Easy.. how immediate it is. When you respond quickly, it tells one that you did not take any time to sift through details, do any research, ponder any context... However, that is the nature of our current political world. 

Some people have enough facts inside their cranium to respond right away, but I know who certainly doesn't. 

[BeaverFever]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry but that's just not true.  It is true that he restructured some of his businesses and managed to keep his head above water long enough to recover but that still requires extreme skill and management. It's still him making his own way not living off of his daddy's money. It's still him, and when he rebuilt after that it was him. If I dropped you into that same mess I doubt you would be able to achieve those results

His businesses were wiped out, they needed to be redone from scratch or restructured, took him 10 years to get back to Being a success and even then he had businesses failing on him.

You seem to think this stuff is easy and that anyone can do it. That's not the case. But what is certain is it wasn't his daddy's money that made him successful after the businesses he started went bankrupt, it was his skill and his ability to attract new investors

Cmon don’t be so naive. When you’re that rich you have an entire entourage of lawyers, accountants, consultants, advisors, assistants and various lackeys to tell you everything you need to know and who do all the leg work for you. The skill you mention is mostly if not entirely theirs. You don’t so much make decisions as you choose from a shortlist of options that have been narrowed down, summarized and pre-digested for you.

Also there’s an entire industry where people get rich by intentionally bankrupting businesses  Step 1: transfer business assets to yourself

Step 2: transfer your debts that you no longer feel like paying to the business  

Step 3: declare business bankrupt

Step 4: laugh all the way to the bank 

You can also do i in reverse where you transfer your assets to a business you control or have unlimited access to and declare yourself bankrupt while you continue to live in luxury 

For the ultra rich, bankruptcy is just another game that they play 

The new investors he attracted were Putin oligarchs and how exactly did he attract them?

And I’m not saying Trump is an evil genius. He’s an incompetent businessman who got into bed with Russian money to bail out his failing businesses, undoubtedly his consultants, lawyers, lackeys etc shepherded him through the process and took care of all the details 

[impartialobserver]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Some people have enough facts inside their cranium to respond right away, but I know who certainly doesn't. 

other clues are that they give no exact details.. just vague platitudes or talking points. For most normal humans, it takes more than two minutes to research, digest, and sift out the inevitable BS that comes with reading internet articles. I have not had time to do a full deep dive on his cabinet picks and so have not complained nor praised them. I know that is not the norm. We should fire away whether we actually know anything or not. 

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Cmon don’t be so naive. When you’re that rich you have an entire entourage of lawyers, accountants, consultants, advisors, assistants and various lackeys to tell you everything you need to know and who do all the leg work for you. The skill you mention is mostly if not entirely theirs. You don’t so much make decisions as you choose from a shortlist of options that have been narrowed down, summarized and pre-digested for you.

I've said before that the fact that Trump has been doing that all of his life might be why he's so good at choosing advisors and deciding whose advice to take.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't think that killing Suleimani was Trump's idea, done according to his plan, in which he conceived the exact ways and means to do it. I think that he was presented with a wide range of options from sanctions to sabre-rattling and even other more severe options, and he settled on that one. 

It was the US military tech and the skilled intelligence gatherers who made it possible, and some general presented that option to Trump with a bow on it, among several other plans similarly wrapped up, and he picked "kill Suleimani". 

Trump picked his spots very well. He killed a lot of influential terrorists, relatively few civilians, and achieved a lot in the fight against terrorism without generating new hatred against America. 

Do you think that the world is going to become more engulfed in war, like it did under Biden, or will he ratchet it down again? Simple question with an easy one-word answer if you'd like. 

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Cmon don’t be so naive. When you’re that rich you have an entire entourage of lawyers, accountants, consultants, advisors, assistants and various lackeys to tell you everything you need to know and who do all the leg work for you.

I'm just going to put this out there, you have never been that rich and have no idea what it's like. And sorry to break it to you but lawyers accountants and advisors and such all want to get paid.

You seem to think that when you're rich you just magically stay rich.  If it were that easy anyone could be rich tomorrow. Hell for that matter those lawyers and advisors you're talking about would go out and get that rich themselves and not bother being lawyers or advisors. If they magically knew how to make everyone rich why would they bother doing it for anyone else?

Trump successfully restructured his businesses number of times, he attracted investment a number of times and he failed a number of times and lost those businesses and his money.

It took him 10 years but he managed to make an actual comeback and rebuild his financial fortunes. That's on him, that's not his daddy's money and it's not some sort of clever lawyer.

I know you absolutely hate the idea that people are personally responsible for their successes or failures. But that is the way the world works. There is no magic rich fairy that just bestows riches upon people.  And in fact most of the people who are rich in America started from low or middle income, and not wealthy families as I have pointed out and provided evidence for in the past.

Trump's wealth is trump's not his daddy's not his lawyers.

[WestCanMan]

12 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

other clues are that they give no exact details.. just vague platitudes or talking points. For most normal humans, it takes more than two minutes to research, digest, and sift out the inevitable BS that comes with reading internet articles. I have not had time to do a full deep dive on his cabinet picks and so have not complained nor praised them. I know that is not the norm. We should fire away whether we actually know anything or not. 

Attacks on appointees are more forceful and completely devoid of any attempts at naming details. 

"He's a white supremacist who was accused of raping a woman in either the fall of 1995 or early winter of 1996, now try to prove the negative motherfather" is the accepted slander template.

Actual facts are easy to dispute, but proving the negative is literally impossible. 

Try to prove that you're not a Nazi right now, io. Try to prove that you never colluded with Peruvians. Can't be done. That's why it works with Demis every time. There's no slander too serious to require even a minor burden of proof from the Dems' POV, and that's why "Bork" is a word in the dictionary now. 

• Bork Definition & Meaning

  

  Merriam-Webster

  https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › bork

   

  The meaning of BORK is to attack or defeat (a nominee or candidate for public office) unfairly through an organized campaign of harsh public criticism or ...

[BeaverFever]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I've said before that the fact that Trump has been doing that all of his life might be why he's so good at choosing advisors and deciding whose advice to take.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't think that killing Suleimani was Trump's idea, done according to his plan, in which he conceived the exact ways and means to do it. I think that he was presented with a wide range of options from sanctions to sabre-rattling and even other more severe options, and he settled on that one. 

It was the US military tech and the skilled intelligence gatherers who made it possible, and some general presented that option to Trump with a bow on it, among several other plans similarly wrapped up, and he picked "kill Suleimani". 

Trump picked his spots very well. He killed a lot of influential terrorists, relatively few civilians, and achieved a lot in the fight against terrorism without generating new hatred against America. 

Do you think that the world is going to become more engulfed in war, like it did under Biden, or will he ratchet it down again? Simple question with an easy one-word answer if you'd like. 

What are you talking about? During his first administration so many of his top people he selected quit or got fired it was a joke.   He couldn’t keep anyone in office. No US administration has had so many people come and go in a single term  That sure doesn’t sound like he’s amazing at hiring too talent  

And Most of the senior people Trump selected for his first administration absolutely despise him and say he is a disaster  No president has had so many of his own staff hate him on every level  A 2-term president might be at polite odds with 2 or 3 former staffers. But Trump is unique in having dozens who just loathe him and personally attest to hi incompetence:

“unfit to be president”

“ a despicable human being”

a “fascist to the core”

“prefers the dictator approach to government”

“hasn’t got the brains”

“pretty undisciplined – doesn’t like to read, doesn’t read briefing reports”

 “His understanding of global events [and] his understanding of US history was really limited.”

“should never be president again.”

 

Those are just a small sample of direct quotes from those advisors you say he chose “very well”

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

Awww, he beat me to it. I was at Crappy Tire getting my winter tires on.

Not only beat you to the verdict, actually PREDICTED it based on the facts, while you were still pretending he's qualified. LMAO

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Oh, I know for sure that leftists are going to lie about everything because they always do. You don't have to be a genius to know that. 

That doesn't make what I said without merit. If you'd like to make the claim that it was, that requires specifics, not merely "The ancient wisdom of io" lol. 

Except you don't know LIES when Trump bites you in the ass with them.

30,000+ more Trump lies (and still growing) for you to defend. LMAO

[CouchPotato]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Not only beat you to the verdict, actually PREDICTED it based on the facts, while you were still pretending he's qualified. LMAO

You sure showed me.

[robosmith]

56 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Some people have enough facts inside their cranium to respond right away, but I know who certainly doesn't. 

You certainly don't because the mental model of reality you keep in your brain is horribly FLAWED.

Your cognitive dissonance keeps it that way. LMAO