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I know that many posters here love trump, and want to imprison his political opponents, end CNN, New York Times, MSNBC, etc, and end many human rights we take for granted. All these are examples of a fascist or autocratic state. 

Some of us (like myself) favor Democracy, where everyone is equal, workers rights, freedom of the press, and freedom of speech.

 

This poll will be anonymous, so I am hoping the people who have openly opposed US democracy will vote accordingly.

 

 

 

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They asked Twitter and Facebook to tamp down on disinformation about public health. The same way government disallows false health information over radio or television or cable TV. The FDA prohibits i

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Constitutional Republic. It's what Trump wants, and it's what the majority of Americans want.  

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18 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I know that many posters here love trump, and want to imprison his political opponents, end CNN, New York Times, MSNBC, etc, and end many human rights we take for granted. All these are examples of a fascist or autocratic state. 

Some of us (like myself) favor Democracy, where everyone is equal, workers rights, freedom of the press, and freedom of speech.

 

This poll will be anonymous, so I am hoping the people who have openly opposed US democracy will vote accordingly.

Constitutional Republic. It's what Trump wants, and it's what the majority of Americans want. ;) 

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48 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I know that many posters here love trump, and want to imprison his political opponents, end CNN, New York Times, MSNBC, etc, and end many human rights we take for granted. All these are examples of a fascist or autocratic state. 

Some of us (like myself) favor Democracy, where everyone is equal, workers rights, freedom of the press, and freedom of speech.

 

This poll will be anonymous, so I am hoping the people who have openly opposed US democracy will vote accordingly.

 

 

 

Up yours you fcking hypocrite!

You fckin' Tweenkies are the ONLY people who are a "threat to democracy".

Your very actions betray your own stated beliefs. 

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56 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I know that many posters here love trump, and want to imprison his political opponents, end CNN, New York Times, MSNBC, etc, and end many human rights we take for granted. All these are examples of a fascist or autocratic state. 

Some of us (like myself) favor Democracy, where everyone is equal, workers rights, freedom of the press, and freedom of speech.

 

This poll will be anonymous, so I am hoping the people who have openly opposed US democracy will vote accordingly.

 

 

 

What about the prolife protestors that are in jail? What about the J6 people that never entered the building or did anything violent? Are they not political prisoners?

What about the left's decades long calls to end Foxnews?

What about the Democrats rigging their primaries? Hillary got the questions in advance, Joe magically won SC after not even placing in the first few states. Hatris just pushing the old man aside and claiming the nomination? Is that upholding democracy?

What about the left censoring free speech on social media platforms? Or the use of NGOs to do things the federal government can't because of that pesky Consitution?

Workers' rights? Really? Joe Biden railroads the railroad workers and forced them into a contract they didn't want. Was that workers' rights?

Everything you are against, your party is openly doing. Why are you a democrat?

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Up yours you fcking hypocrite!

You fckin' Tweenkies are the ONLY people who are a "threat to democracy".

Your very actions betray your own stated beliefs. 

^Triggered snowflake

gatomontes99 Grand Master

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Well, apparently I asked too many thought provoking questions and I'm on ignore.

I do wish these people would get help. They are so far down this fantasy rabbit hole that they can't tell the difference between how democrats characterize things and reality. I told him yesterday to look up Trump's actual charges and the actual laws in NY and he absolutely flipped his lid. All he could do was post left wing rag op eds (disguused as news) that said what he wanted to believe.

How do we get through to these guys?

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32 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I must say DUI, you have a talent for trolling the sore winners.  

This post will age well if there's a real clampdown on dissent, or free expression.

I was lucky enough to reside with my Grandfather, when I was a young adult going to college, as I helped him (he had heart problems). He was a historian, and a veteran of WW2. He taught me well, and had quite a bit to say about the Third Reich, as he lived through it. I ended up reading 18 books about WW2, mainly about how the Nazis came to power, the Holocaust, and the psychology of how a nation would come to elect a unstable hate-filled populist candidate.

I see all these parallels with Trump and the MAGA movement. It should be noted that many in the Third Reich spoke of Hitler in almost religious terms, comparing him to Christ, as a saviour. If we listen closely to some influential MAGA and Trump supporters, we can say the same thing. Especially the Evangelical Christians, and how many of them worship Trump like Jesus, especially considering Trump has never read the bible cover to cover, and does the most non Christ-like things.

It's a cult, considering the MAGA movement now controls the Government, this will not end well...

Sadly, the younger generation will not hear of the horrors of the 1930s and 40s, as all the people that lived through the era live passed away. My Grandfather died 20 years ago, and sadly he took all the lessons and knowledge he had in regards to the dangers of fascism with him to the grave.

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13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I must say DUI, you have a talent for trolling the sore winners.  

This post will age well if there's a real clampdown on dissent, or free expression.

What admin did that? Trump or Biden?

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A federal appeals court on Friday upheld key parts of a preliminary injunction against federal interference with content moderation on social media platforms. A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit unanimously agreed that the White House, Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the FBI had "coerced" or "significantly encouraged" the platforms, "in violation of the First Amendment," to suppress speech that federal officials viewed as dangerously inaccurate or misleading.

https://reason.com/2023/09/11/the-5th-circuit-agrees-that-federal-officials-unconstitutionally-coerced-or-encouraged-online-censorship/

Oh yeah, it was Biden. Guess I answered my own question.

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Up yours you fcking hypocrite!

You fckin' Tweenkies are the ONLY people who are a "threat to democracy".

Your very actions betray your own stated beliefs. 

Honestly bud... when are you ever going to learn to just come out and say what you're thinking instead of beating around the bush?  :) 

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38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Biden stopped you from drinking bleach.

So when Biden acts like a totalitarian it's great because he's stopping Something you disapprove of,  But if trump ever does it it will be terrible because you may not approve of what he tries to do.

The biggest problem with the far left is the hypocrisy. Un  ironically you point out that fascism or fascists like Behavior under Biden is perfectly acceptable to you because in your opinion the ends justify the means. But if somebody else does the same thing then it would be terrible and we should all be very upset. How can you talk like that and expect anyone to take you seriously?

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4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Biden stopped you from drinking bleach.

Trump will make you drink the Kool Aid 

I've noticed that the only forum members who back up their posts with links, sources, or factual evidence are almost always not Trump supporters. It's always the same song and dance "but your are a leftard, and Biden sucks!'

I always hope for more, from them, but it's always a certainty that they will not elaborate on their point, or substantiate it with reliable sources, that would take the average person Googling roughly 10 minutes to do, and resort to childish tactics, like name calling.

I still hope that will change, but I am not optimistic...

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So when Biden acts like a totalitarian it's great because he's stopping Something you disapprove of,  But if trump ever does it it will be terrible because you may not approve of what he tries to do.

When has Biden acted like a totalitarian?  Can your provide an example, with sources to substantiate your claim? 

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3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I've noticed that the only forum members who back up their posts with links, sources, or factual evidence are almost always not Trump supporters. It's always the same song and dance "but your are a leftard, and Biden sucks!'im? 

It's the kind of lie you frequently tell yourself to justify your hurt feelings and to feel better about your failures and debates. But of course it's not true. In fact in the very first fight we got in I posted numerous links proving conclusively what I said about Parks Canada which you spent pages denying, which is what we usually see from the left here. Eventually an anger you finally posted a link back..... but you hadn't read it and it actually proved what I said. Which bizarrely is another common trait of the left here

And that's when you're not just sea lioning

And to be honest Michael very rarely provides any kind of links or data. Which is fine because of anyone disagrees they can go look up the data themselves and present something to counter what he says.

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When has Biden acted like a totalitarian?  Can your provide an example, with sources to substantiate your claim? 

Here's a classic example. This topic has been gone over dozens of times with tons of links I've even started a number of threads specifically addressing his totalitarian actions and yet that's not good enough for you. You're going to ask for more because you can't argue the point. So you will demand that people repetitively give you information again and again and again.

Biden and his supporters weaponized the courts to go after trump with ridiculous charges or unconstitutional nonsense such as keeping his name off the ballots In an effort to repress his political rival.

Here's what all 34 felony counts in Trump's hush money trial mean : NPR

Trump was wrongly removed from Colorado ballot, US supreme court rules | Donald Trump | The Guardian

Biden passed laws to make businesses comply with covid vaccines for their employees

Fact Sheet: Biden Administration Announces Details of Two Major Vaccination Policies | The White House

Biden continued the tradition of using the FBI inappropriately to attack republicans or to affect elections, 

Testimony Reveals FBI Employees Who Warned Social Media Companies about Hack and Leak Operation Knew Hunter Biden Laptop Wasn’t Russian Disinformation | House Judiciary Committee Republicans

 

etc etc. 

All of that has been discussed before, all of it happened under biden's watch and with biden supporters and in some cases biden staff, the prosecutor for trump's "felony" worked directly for biden before leaving JUST IN TIME to join the new york prosecutors and spearhead the case. 

 

But instead of dealing with the reality and having a rational discussion of the issues  you'll try to side track it and pretend that nobody's given ANY links because that's literally what you people do.  

There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data

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29 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I've noticed that the only forum members who back up their posts with links, sources, or factual evidence are almost always not Trump supporters. It's always the same song and dance "but your are a leftard, and Biden sucks!'

I always hope for more, from them, but it's always a certainty that they will not elaborate on their point, or substantiate it with reliable sources, that would take the average person Googling roughly 10 minutes to do, and resort to childish tactics, like name calling.

I still hope that will change, but I am not optimistic...

When has Biden acted like a totalitarian?  Can your provide an example, with sources to substantiate your claim? 

Ironic...he makes a claim that I didn't back up my post with a link (I did) while not using a link to ba k up his claim.

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6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Ironic...he makes a claim that I didn't back up my post with a link (I did) while not using a link to ba k up his claim.

In reply to a post from Michael hardner who also didn't post any link to back up his statement either :) 

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7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's the kind of lie you frequently tell yourself to justify your hurt feelings and to feel better about your failures and debates. But of course it's not true. In fact in the very first fight we got in I posted numerous links proving conclusively what I said about Parks Canada which you spent pages denying, which is what we usually see from the left here. Eventually an anger you finally posted a link back..... but you hadn't read it and it actually proved what I said. Which bizarrely is another common trait of the left here

You mean when the Municipality of Jasper, and the Government of Alberta dropped the ball, and the town burned down?

https://globalnews.ca/news/10639590/jasper-wildfire-evacuation-order-mixed-messaging/

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And to be honest Michael very rarely provides any kind of links or data. Which is fine because of anyone disagrees they can go look up the data themselves and present something to counter what he says.

Michael usually does not need links, since his posts are intellectually superior to 96% of forum members, and are clear and precise. Even still, he provides more links to validate his arguments than you do

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Biden and his supporters weaponized the courts to go after trump with ridiculous charges or unconstitutional nonsense such as keeping his name off the ballots In an effort to repress his political rival.

Here's what all 34 felony counts in Trump's hush money trial mean : NPR

 

Trump was convicted on those counts by a court of law. 

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Biden passed laws to make businesses comply with covid vaccines for their employees

Fact Sheet: Biden Administration Announces Details of Two Major Vaccination Policies | The White House

COVID was an emergency pandemic that called for Government intervention to save lives.  The irony of this is Canada and most European countries imposed harsher laws, and their death rates were less than 50% of what America experienced.

We saw new laws in regards to fighting terrorism in the aftermath of 9/11. In both cases, the Federal Government imposed the orders, due to national emergencies. Canada has done the same thing, first in 1970, implementing the "War Measures Act" after the FLQ kidnapped the Quebec Laboour Minister (and murdered him), and the British Ambassador to Canada.

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Biden continued the tradition of using the FBI inappropriately to attack republicans or to affect elections, 

Testimony Reveals FBI Employees Who Warned Social Media Companies about Hack and Leak Operation Knew Hunter Biden Laptop Wasn’t Russian Disinformation | House Judiciary Committee Republicans

Republicans made a big deal out of Hunter Biden's laptop, which was small potatoes, when compared to all the felonies committed by the Trump administration. Seriously, it was a red herring from the beginning. Hunter Biden was just a messed up addict, nothing more, nothing less. 

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

But instead of dealing with the reality and having a rational discussion of the issues  I try to side track it and pretend that nobody's given ANY links because that's literally what I do.  

Well I have too agree with you in that point...

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You mean when the Municipality of Jasper, and the Government of Alberta dropped the ball, and the town burned down?

 

No I mean when the town burned down because the federal government who is responsible for the forest didn't manage it properly

Jasper National Park

Remember that? You argued for ages that the forest around the town was not a national park and was not the responsibility of the federal government and it was all Alberta's responsibility and then you found out you were 100% wrong  ;) 

Loser :) 

2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Michael usually does not need links,

LOL You go from saying you're Michael is the one that you always see posting links to excusing why none of his posts have links :) 

ROFLMAO - SERIOUSLY dude!! Do you not hear yourself?!?!

DERP!  I LIKE MIKE BECAUSE HE PROVIDES LINKS!!!

But he doesnt' provide links 

MIKE DOES NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE LINKS!!!! DERP!!!

4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trump was convicted on those counts by a court of law. 

in a corrupt process. Nobody has ever been convicted of what he was convicted of in the history of the united states. Tons of legal experts are already saying it would lose on appeal and it doesn't even look like it's going to get that far. It was grossly inappropriate

And sadly totalitarians have a long and storied history of using courts to give the appearance of validity to the persecution of their political enemies.

The rest you don't seem to have much of an argument for. You claim that the hunter Biden laptop wasn't a big deal but of course it was a massive deal. The FBI knowingly repressed that in order to impact the election, and that's a big deal

The democrats have definitely become a very corrupt party and their behavior was absolutely horrific over the last few years

I'm afraid they're going to have to live with the repercussions of that

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So it begins...

And well it should. How many of the harm deniers here kept shouting that if Fauci was Guilty of something he should be locked up!! Well, sounds like he's going to get locked up! A win for the democrat side I would say who demanded that this Is what should happen.

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15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

In reply to a post from Michael hardner who also didn't post any link to back up his statement either :) 

#HardTruth

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40 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

When has Biden acted like a totalitarian?  Can your provide an example, with sources to substantiate your claim? 

They asked Twitter and Facebook to tamp down on disinformation about public health. The same way government disallows false health information over radio or television or cable TV. The FDA prohibits it.

This disinformation was not only bad for health but was bad for National unity. That's why foreign enemies help to spread it 

But owning the libs means a lot more to the chuds, really those jealous egoists who despise the elite without knowing who they really are.

 

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2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

They asked Twitter and Facebook to tamp down on disinformation about public health. The same way government disallows false health information over radio or television or cable TV. The FDA prohibits it.

This disinformation was not only bad for health but was bad for National unity. That's why foreign enemies help to spread it 

But owning the libs means a lot more to the chuds, really those jealous egoists who despise the elite without knowing who they really are.

 

Wow @DUI_Offender.... just LOOK at all those links!  :) 

 

And calling people he doesnt' like "chuds"..... SOOOO intellectual!!  :) 

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4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

They asked Twitter and Facebook to tamp down on disinformation about public health. The same way government disallows false health information over radio or television or cable TV. The FDA prohibits it.

This disinformation was not only bad for health but was bad for National unity. That's why foreign enemies help to spread it 

But owning the libs means a lot more to the chuds, really those jealous egoists who despise the elite without knowing who they really are.

 

You sure do make authoritarianism sound so reasonable.

Reality: the government planted people at social media companies and then used their influence to use NGOs to censor speech. I posted the link above.

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