Trudeau Announcement

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

3 times the population.

whatever. It's a hell of a lot more people in a hell of a lot smaller space.  So it can be economically viable.  We just don't have that kind of density yet where it really justifies the billions and billions it costs to do it. 

Alberta (and ontario for that matter) would be better off environmentally sticking that cash into nuclear reactors. Which actually is precisely what alberta is doing. 

1 minute ago, herbie said:

OMG he's trying to do something that should've been done 30 years ago! The shameless progressive!

PP will revert the GO Trains beck to steam locomotives and put the coal miners back to work!

it would have been !diotic to do with 30 years ago. A complete waste of money, financially unviable, and would now be falling into disrepair because it was a government service that wasn't necessary at the time.

No wonder you love the idea

[paradox34]

On 11/2/2024 at 6:55 AM, ExFlyer said:

The Liberals have unveiled plans for dental care, pharmacare and now high-speed rail connecting Toronto to Quebec city, all of which Poilievre is absolutely frothing at the mouth to quietly cut and hope no one notices in 2025.

Yesterday Justin Trudeau made a bold commitment, announcing billions of dollars in funding for a massive government program to make Canadians lives better in some way, which Pierre Poilievre will absolutely cancel when he is elected Prime Minister sometime in the next 12 months.

Justin Trudeau announces another thing for Poilievre to cancel next year

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2024/10/justin-trudeau-announces-another-thing-for-poilievre-to-cancel-next-year/

And what is the benefit of this project? It creates jobs for Ontario and Quebec voters! No economic benefit to the country at all but the libtards have amply demonstrated they only care about power the country be damned!

Edited November 3, 2024 by paradox34

[WestCanMan]

55 minutes ago, herbie said:

OMG he's trying to do something that should've been done 30 years ago! The shameless progressive!

PP will revert the GO Trains beck to steam locomotives and put the coal miners back to work!

Coal miners are still working, genius.

The only difference is that, "in order to combat global warming", they don't burn the coal near the mines anymore: they load it on trains, ship it across Canada, load it onto boats, ship it across the Pacific Ocean, then load it back onto trains and ship it across China, India and Japan to burn it there.

Makes perfect sense, right?

https://globalnews.ca/news/10392382/canada-coal-exports/ 

• Statistics published this month by the ports of Vancouver and Prince Rupert show 19.5 million tonnes of thermal coal were exported through their terminals last year.
• That’s up from a little more than 18 million tonnes in 2022 and is almost twice the amount Canada exported in 2015 when the Liberals took power.

Did you think sock-boy was saving the world? Silly little boy. He's just selling out our country, as usual. 

Edited November 3, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Legato]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

OMG he's trying to do something that should've been done 30 years ago! The shameless progressive!

PP will revert the GO Trains beck to steam locomotives and put the coal miners back to work!

I suppose you do know "If You Build It They Will Come" is fiction.

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Legato said:

I suppose you do know "If You Build It They Will Come" is fiction.

Not if you're talking about unions

[ExFlyer]

45 minutes ago, paradox34 said:

And what is the benefit of this project? It creates jobs for Ontario and Quebec voters! No economic benefit to the country at all but the libtards have amply demonstrated they only care about power the country be damned!

It is satire...from The Beaverton...  🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

It is satire...from The Beaverton...  🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Again, it's a real project    For god's sake we went over this like 5 minutes ago. 

[Nefarious Banana]

On 11/2/2024 at 9:50 AM, CdnFox said:

We can joke about Justin

To

The jokes write themselves about Justin

And now

Justin is the joke

Sadly, the real joke are the voters that elected this clown . . . "Elect a clown, expect a circus"

[herbie]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

I suppose you do know "If You Build It They Will Come" is fiction.

As opposed to your If you don't build it no one will come and that proves it reasoning.
Demeaning a long overdue project simply because of who announced it.
Deflecting off by replying to a sarcastic comment with lectures on current coal exports to someone who lives by the tracks to Prince Rupert. Duh, i never noticed what those 2-3 daily mile long trains carried while we waited for them to go by.

Jeez, realizing how blockheaded one can be if they think they're belittling Trudeau to other ignoroids.

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3 hours ago, herbie said:

OMG he's trying to do something that should've been done 30 years ago! The shameless progressive!

PP will revert the GO Trains beck to steam locomotives and put the coal miners back to work!

Yes, it should have been built long ago. Same with the rail line connection Edmonton and Calgary.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

As opposed to your If you don't build it no one will come and that proves it reasoning

No as opposed to if you build something else that makes commercial sense and is economically viable then it will succeed and that is what proves its reasoning.

You have to have your head so far up the left wing butt that you can see what they had for supper if you think that wasting money is a good idea Just because you hate not wasting money

1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said:

Yes, it should have been built long ago. Same with the rail line connection Edmonton and Calgary.

Why? Make the economic case. Show the numbers and why it would have benefited anyone.

Or is this just another case of the left wing letting its childish ideology cause a massive amount of taxpayer waste

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4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

Or is this just another case of the left wing letting its childish ideology cause a massive amount of taxpayer waste

Building infrastructure is "left wing ideology?"

[NAME REMOVED]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

Why? Make the economic case. 

 

https://transweb.sjsu.edu/sites/default/files/2255-Cohen-Economic-Impacts-HSR.pdf

Implementing high-speed rail (HSR) will provide Americans with more transportation choices. It will also make sure that America remains an economic engine, and meets the environmental and energy challenges of this century.

Investing in high-speed rail:

• Creates Jobs:
  Building high-speed rail will create hundreds of thousands of jobs.  Every $1 billion in investment creates 24,000 jobs. These are highly skilled jobs that will revitalize the domestic rail industries supplying transportation products and services. Many additional jobs are created through the commerce fostered through the economic activity and development which they spark.
• Increases Economic Activity:
  Every $1 invested creates $4 in economic benefits. Upgrading passenger operations on newly revitalized tracks, bridges and rights of way is spurring business productivity along corridors.  The rail services will connect America’s economically vital mega-regions and help keep them mobile, productive, efficient and internationally competitive.
• Reduces Congestion and Boosts Productivity:
  Congestion on our nation’s roads costs $140 billion in lost time and productivity.  The U.S. population is projected to grow by another 100 million people in the next 40 years. The population growth is creating mega-regions that will not prosper unless they can be freed from the stranglehold of highway and airport congestion. At the same time, the United States cannot build enough highway capacity or airport runways to meet demand.
• Reduces the Nation’s Dependence on Foreign Oil: 
  Implementing high-speed rail will keep billions of dollars in the U.S. economy by decreasing the amount of oil that the U.S. consumes.    According to the International Association of Railways (UIC), high-speed rail is eight times more energy efficient than airplanes and four times more efficient than automobile use. It will also decrease greenhouse gas emissions and improve air quality.
• Expands Travel Choices and Improves Mobility:
  High-speed rail can deliver people from one downtown to another as fast as or faster than air travel.  The addition of HSR as an integrated part of America’s transportation system will help airports work better and highways work better. It will also expand options for citizens in rural and small urban communities with increased transfer points and feeder services that connect with new HSR corridors.

source; https://www.apta.com/research-technical-resources/high-speed-passenger-rail/benefits-of-high-speed-rail-for-the-united-states/

Edited November 4, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Legato]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

As opposed to your If you don't build it no one will come and that proves it reasoning.
Demeaning a long overdue project simply because of who announced it.
Deflecting off by replying to a sarcastic comment with lectures on current coal exports to someone who lives by the tracks to Prince Rupert. Duh, i never noticed what those 2-3 daily mile long trains carried while we waited for them to go by.

Jeez, realizing how blockheaded one can be if they think they're belittling Trudeau to other ignoroids.

eh?

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

https://transweb.sjsu.edu/sites/default/files/2255-Cohen-Economic-Impacts-HSR.pdf

Implementing high-speed rail (HSR) will provide Americans with more transportation choices. It will also make sure that America remains an economic engine, and meets the environmental and energy challenges of this century.

Investing in high-speed rail:

• Creates Jobs:
  Building high-speed rail will create hundreds of thousands of jobs.  Every $1 billion in investment creates 24,000 jobs. These are highly skilled jobs that will revitalize the domestic rail industries supplying transportation products and services. Many additional jobs are created through the commerce fostered through the economic activity and development which they spark.
• Increases Economic Activity:
  Every $1 invested creates $4 in economic benefits. Upgrading passenger operations on newly revitalized tracks, bridges and rights of way is spurring business productivity along corridors.  The rail services will connect America’s economically vital mega-regions and help keep them mobile, productive, efficient and internationally competitive.
• Reduces Congestion and Boosts Productivity:
  Congestion on our nation’s roads costs $140 billion in lost time and productivity.  The U.S. population is projected to grow by another 100 million people in the next 40 years. The population growth is creating mega-regions that will not prosper unless they can be freed from the stranglehold of highway and airport congestion. At the same time, the United States cannot build enough highway capacity or airport runways to meet demand.
• Reduces the Nation’s Dependence on Foreign Oil: 
  Implementing high-speed rail will keep billions of dollars in the U.S. economy by decreasing the amount of oil that the U.S. consumes.    According to the International Association of Railways (UIC), high-speed rail is eight times more energy efficient than airplanes and four times more efficient than automobile use. It will also decrease greenhouse gas emissions and improve air quality.
• Expands Travel Choices and Improves Mobility:
  High-speed rail can deliver people from one downtown to another as fast as or faster than air travel.  The addition of HSR as an integrated part of America’s transportation system will help airports work better and highways work better. It will also expand options for citizens in rural and small urban communities with increased transfer points and feeder services that connect with new HSR corridors.

source; https://www.apta.com/research-technical-resources/high-speed-passenger-rail/benefits-of-high-speed-rail-for-the-united-states/

That's america. 

You.... ahh...  you know that both edmonton AND calgary are in canada right?

Not much of that applies here the same way due to the difference in distance and population density. 

Sooooo....  you've got nothing at all to suggest it would be an economically viable idea for this application?  Nothing? But  you fully support it. 

You might want to rethink how you come to your conclusions. 

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Building infrastructure is "left wing ideology?"

Building dumb and useless infrastructure is left wing ideology.  The stairs at winchester mansion were designed by the left  

Right wing ideology is "find out what infrastructure will actually produce more benefits than it costs economically or the the equivalent and invest in that"  

Which is why alberta will be getting nuclear power and NOT  a monorail  bullet train. 

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Again, it's a real project    For god's sake we went over this like 5 minutes ago. 

MEH

[herbie]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Or is this just another case of the left wing letting its childish ideology cause a massive amount of taxpayer waste

So only leftist lunatics are interested in modern transit. Normal people like you say ride the bus until a Tory suggests high speed rail, then it is an act of heroism.

Get your politically locked brain out of Park and it might go somewhere.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, herbie said:

So only leftist lunatics are interested in modern transit.

Only left you lunatics are interested in modern Transit that is insanely expensive and achieves nothing

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Normal people like you say ride the bus until a Tory suggests high speed rail, then it is an act of heroism.

Normal people like me say ride the bus if it makes sense to ride the bus. If we need more buses buy more buses. But don't waste money on a system that gives us nothing especially at a time when we don't have money to spare

Leftist lunatics say that their echo chamber told them it was good so must be! Derp! 

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Get your politically locked brain out of Park and it might go somewhere.

If it follows you where it'll go is down the toilet

My brain is firmly in the grasp of my reasoning logic. Yours is firmly in the grasp of your feelings and echo chamber

[suds]

If we're really serious about being emission free by 2050, we're going to require tons of clean energy for transportation, heating our homes, running our factories, growing our food, etc etc. And we'd better start preparing for this eventuality NOW! Yeah, I'd say investing in nuclear would make  more sense than high speed rail at this moment in time.

[herbie]

20 minutes ago, suds said:

I'd say investing in nuclear would make  more sense than high speed rail at this moment in time.

Invest now, you might get the first nuke in service by 2050 and then you can start thinking about highspeed rail again.... your great great grand kids can ride it. Providing anyone still exists because conservatives didn't think it was cost effective to save civilization.

[suds]

33 minutes ago, herbie said:

Invest now, you might get the first nuke in service by 2050 and then you can start thinking about highspeed rail again.... your great great grand kids can ride it. Providing anyone still exists because conservatives didn't think it was cost effective to save civilization.

So high speed rail is such a priority to you that you would put it before investing in critical infrastructure required to meet our future energy demands? The government has estimated that our energy demand for clean energy could double or even triple by 2050. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see anybody freezing in the dark. I don't care who's running the country.  It's time to get our priorities straight.

Edited November 4, 2024 by suds

[CdnFox]

58 minutes ago, herbie said:

Invest now, you might get the first nuke in service by 2050 and then you can start thinking about highspeed rail again.... your great great grand kids can ride it. Providing anyone still exists because conservatives didn't think it was cost effective to save civilization.

The construction of the first of four SMRs will be completed by the end of 2028, and the unit will be online by the end of 2029.

Media release | Capital Power and OPG partner to advance new nuclear in Alberta – OPG

This is already in place. It's already moving forward with two other provinces working together to make sure that technology is available and delivered

Even if they green lit a fast train tomorrow it would not likely be finished before the first nuclear reactor is online

Once again, you choose Muh FEEELS over facts.

Alberta absolutely needs clean energy moving forward. It cannot get by on the energy supplies it has. So a nuclear reactor actually is a viable economic necessity

A bullet train would deliver nothing. It would not improve cargo capacity in any meaningful way, there are not enough commuters who would benefit from it significantly to make it worthwhile

But of course that's where you and the left would rather see the money spent.

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16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That's america. 

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You.... ahh...  you know that both edmonton AND calgary are in canada right?

Not much of that applies here the same way due to the difference in distance and population density. 

Not you are just being an dishonest.

The Windsor-Quebec City corridor has a population of roughly 22 million people in the vicinity, which would be one of the most densely populated areas of North America, probably only eclipsed by the Washington-NYC-Boston corridor, and the corridor from LA to San Francisco Bay.

The Alberta corridor would only be 350 km, `1/3 of the distance of the Windsor-Quebec corridor, serving 4 million people. It is almost like you do not have a brain in your skull. 

 

 

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sooooo....  you've got nothing at all to suggest it would be an economically viable idea for this application?  Nothing? But  you fully support it. 

You might want to rethink how you come to your conclusions. 

 

The old "I can't disprove anything you said, so I am just going to argue disingenuously' method. 

I am tempted to place you on ignore again, since you never substantiate your arguments with sources or facts.  

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40 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

Alberta absolutely needs clean energy moving forward. It cannot get by on the energy supplies it has. So a nuclear reactor actually is a viable economic necessity

Tell that to Danielle Smith.

40 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

A bullet train would deliver nothing. It would not improve cargo capacity in any meaningful way, there are not enough commuters who would benefit from it significantly to make it worthwhile

.

You obviously know nothing about Alberta.