Why are Transgenders such a serious political issue in this election?

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Luckily, Canadians are much more educated than Americans when it comes to politics, and realise the whole Transgender issues is a nothing burger. Just look at the results:

New Brunswick Conservatives pass laws regarding Transgenders, and within a year, the people vote them out of office.

The BC Conservatives make transgenders an election issues, and lose.

The Saskatchewan Party makes transgenders an election issues, and loses 13 seats.

If the Federal Conservative Party make it an election issues, they will lose support, since most Canadians can see it for what it is- an nothing burger that distracts people from the real issues.

 

Well you can't really look at it that way. 

The bc conservatives damn near won (probably would have if it wasn't for the storm) and yet 10 months ago they weren't even on the radar. So that is a MASSIVELY better showing than expected and some of their more 'anti sogi' people got in. 

From the other two provinces that played a small role. I don't think anyone would argue that the New Brunswick conservatives would have remained in power had they not done that.

The Saskatchewan party one again despite having been in power for ages and one handily. So if we're going to make the argument that it played a role there it appears to have been a positive role. Frankly I don't think it played that big a role no matter what.

There could be no doubt that there is a strong backlash against excessive transgender pandering and that that is playing a small role in politics. This should have been a very easy win for the NDP and they basically tied in British Columbia. This is Saskatchewan government did not appear to suffer for it.

I think whenever it does become a significant issue there is a backlash. People don't mind if others want the right to be gay or trans but they do mind if they are forced to pander to those people's wants and desires. Or if their own rights are taken away. And that's what we saw happening, and then we saw the marches against that and the more that we have our communities made up of people from India and other places like that the more we're going to see a backlash. I mean their kids were literally out on the streets stomping on gay flags at the request of their parents

[User]

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Just look at the results:

So, your big argument is still the same thing. You guys get to push this madness onto society, and it is only an issue when others notice and it is only political when others oppose it. 

The fact that you are winning in some places doesn't somehow make this any less of a dishonest argument on your part. 

[herbie]

Do you think kowtowing to a handful of anti-SOGI blockheads played a determining role in one single riding in the BC election?

Perhaps in Rustad's own riding of Jesus freaks and antivaxxers it was a significant issue, though NDP got more votes than ever even there, so it would appear not.

I mean, if you're such a dupe you think tolerance is grooming, then you simply can't be helped by any gpvt.

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, herbie said:

 

Perhaps in Rustad's own riding of Jesus freaks and antivaxxers it was a significant issue, though NDP got more votes than ever even there, so it would appear not.

 

First off isn't that your riding there  Jesus Freak?     And the ndp and green vote together was still less than half rustads

[User]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

I mean, if you're such a dupe you think tolerance is grooming, then you simply can't be helped by any gpvt.

You clearly have a fundamentally flawed understanding of what "tolerance" means and what is going on here. 

[paradox34]

Because it's subjective. The socialist LOVE subjective issues: It gets the blood boiling and the screaming started so that voters completely disregard the important stuff like economy, immigration, foreign policy. Fortunately, sanity seems to be returning. Voters appear to be getting sick of having politically contrived issues shoved down their throats.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, paradox34 said:

Because it's subjective. The socialist LOVE subjective issues: It gets the blood boiling and the screaming started so that voters completely disregard the important stuff like economy, immigration, foreign policy. Fortunately, sanity seems to be returning. Voters appear to be getting sick of having politically contrived issues shoved down their throats.

You have it backwards.

[NAME REMOVED]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

You have it backwards.

That was my initial thought too. We really did not hear too much politically about Transgenders until around 5 years ago, when the far right championed the issue.

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

That was my initial thought too. We really did not hear too much politically about Transgenders until around 5 years ago, when the far right championed the issue.

And as with gay marriage, when it didn't work politically it disappeared off the radar.

[User]

12 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

That was my initial thought too. We really did not hear too much politically about Transgenders until around 5 years ago, when the far right championed the issue.

When the far left kept pushing this issue. 

10 years ago the left were not forcing this garbage in the classroom, passing laws taking away parental rights on this issue, passing laws against "conversion" therapy, and pushing kids into dugs and surgery like they are today. 

Yet again, you push this dishonest garbage that this is only an issue because folks on the right noticed and are responding. 

 

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

And as with gay marriage, when it didn't work politically it disappeared off the radar.

The fact that you folks have to play these games like it is not even an issue proves it is working. 

It would be like this:

Far right: We oppose gay marriage. 

You: What gay marriage? This isn't even an issue. No one is pushing gay marriage. The only people who care about bringing this up are those on the right who want to play politics. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, User said:

The fact that you folks have to play these games like it is not even an issue proves it is working. 

It would be like this:

Far right: We oppose gay marriage. 

You: What gay marriage? This isn't even an issue. No one is pushing gay marriage. The only people who care about bringing this up are those on the right who want to play politics. 

 

Well, yes, except this issue was going to destroy America in the late 1990s.  If it's such a huge moral threat why don't people bring it up anymore ?  

Or are you saying only the far right cares about this today ?  If so, I guess I agree but ... what happened ?

[User]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well, yes, except this issue was going to destroy America in the late 1990s.  If it's such a huge moral threat why don't people bring it up anymore ?  

Or are you saying only the far right cares about this today ?  If so, I guess I agree but ... what happened ?

What issue?

According to your argument, there was no gay marriage. It never happened. No one was pushing for it. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

18 minutes ago, User said:

What issue?

According to your argument, there was no gay marriage. It never happened. No one was pushing for it. 

 

No, people were pushing for it and against it.  But nobody is pushing against it anymore.  My assumption is that the reasons are political, not moral.  Gay Marriage did not become 'ok' morally for those against it, but they stopped talking about it.

[User]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

No, people were pushing for it and against it.  But nobody is pushing against it anymore.  My assumption is that the reasons are political, not moral.  Gay Marriage did not become 'ok' morally for those against it, but they stopped talking about it.

Yes, exactly. You have to admit that people were pushing for it. 

But here, all you want to do is play this silly game like it is only people opposed to transgenderism that isn't happening. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

58 minutes ago, User said:

1. Yes, exactly. You have to admit that people were pushing for it. 

2. But here, all you want to do is play this silly game like it is only people opposed to transgenderism that isn't happening. 

 

1. Absolutely they were.
2. "only people opposed to transgenderism that isn't happening. " <- what does THAT mean ?

[User]

37 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Absolutely they were.
2. "only people opposed to transgenderism that isn't happening. " <- what does THAT mean ?

It means this entire thread, and your posting on this subject in general is to pretend there is no transgenderism issue to oppose. 

 

[NAME REMOVED]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

No, people were pushing for it and against it.  But nobody is pushing against it anymore.  My assumption is that the reasons are political, not moral.  Gay Marriage did not become 'ok' morally for those against it, but they stopped talking about it.

Michael,

Please stop. He is an intellectual lightweight, and you are destroying him.  Have mercy on user.

Edited November 5, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Absolutely they were.
2. "only people opposed to transgenderism that isn't happening. " <- what does THAT mean ?

Hayzeus man. What are you trying to gain by being obtuse.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, User said:

It means this entire thread, and your posting on this subject in general is to pretend there is no transgenderism issue to oppose. 

 

I didn't say that.  "Transgenderism", presumably meaning the right to be a trans person, is opposed by many.

But it seems like it's not the issue of the scale that it was in Spring 2023.

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Michael,

Please stop. He is an intellectual lightweight, and you are destroying him.  Have mercy on user.

It's not a competition.  Just two people having a conversation.  All I can find out about the other person is what their values are, and how they process facts to make their decisions on issues.

54 minutes ago, Legato said:

Hayzeus man. What are you trying to gain by being obtuse.

Maybe you can explain what people opposing transgendering isn't happening means...

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well, yes, except this issue was going to destroy America in the late 1990s.  If it's such a huge moral threat why don't people bring it up anymore ?  

Or are you saying only the far right cares about this today ?  If so, I guess I agree but ... what happened ?

Bathrooms and changing rooms.

The transgender step forward and demanded that they be allowed to use women's bathrooms even if they were men and more egregiously that they be allowed to use public change rooms such as at pools where they could have their penis dangling in front of a 10 year old girl as they showered.

The right raised concerns about this which the left absolutely insisted couldn't possibly be true. Then it turned out there were a number of crimes that the left had deliberately and maliciously covered up to try and push their agenda forward.

The left then escalated the situation by demanding that transgender people hired to tell stories to children wearing sexy and provocative outfits. And anyone who disagreed was labeled a bad person.

They finished it off with demanding that they had the right to try and assist children to get gender changing medical treatment without advising the parents. And at that point the fight was really on

 

Make no mistake. The right was quite happy to ignore all of this and let them get on with their lives until they decided to pick fights, and fights that were obviously inappropriate.

[User]

15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I didn't say that.  "Transgenderism", presumably meaning the right to be a trans person, is opposed by many.

But it seems like it's not the issue of the scale that it was in Spring 2023.

You are here doing it again. You are falsely building a strawman that the issue is with transgenderism, generally speaking... when it is not. Transgenderism has been around for a long time and no one was making a big deal out of caring if a bunch of adult males wanted to think they were women. 

The issue now is with normalizing this as not being a mental disorder or some kind of weird fetish, but now it is being pushed onto children and it is being pushed that we must affirm this in children, with policies, licensing regulations, and laws enforcing this crap, and even worse, pushing children into life-changing hormone therapies as well as surgeries. 

Then demanding that society must play along with dudes pretending to be females by letting them strip down nude in front of women and steal their medals and trophies in sports. 

So, stop playing your games. 

Edited November 5, 2024 by User

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, User said:

1. You are here doing it again. You are falsely building a strawman that the issue is with transgenderism, generally speaking... when it is not.

2. Then demanding that society must play along with dudes pretending to be females by letting them strip down nude in front of women and steal their medals and trophies in sports. 

3. So, stop playing your games. 

1. LOL - I was responding to THIS from you  " your posting on this subject in general is to pretend there is no transgenderism issue to oppose. "

2. I don't care.  You are free to get upset.  You are free to get VERY VERY upset !

3. I simply don't understand you.  DeSantis is back in the grave with the other vampires, presumably muttering about woke trans whatever.  I haven't heard Trump say "trans" in weeks now.  The issue is dead, because normal people care.

But I'm sorry trans people bother you so.  I don't know... maybe stay inside ?  Just trying to help.

Edited November 5, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[User]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

But I'm sorry trans people bother you so.  I don't know... maybe stay inside ?  Just trying to help.

LOL, still going to play your dumb dishonest games. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, User said:

LOL, still going to play your dumb dishonest games. 

 

Don't be mad at me for asking a question.

WHY did the transgender issue disappear from the election zeitgeist ?

Do you know ?

[User]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Don't be mad at me for asking a question.

WHY did the transgender issue disappear from the election zeitgeist ?

Do you know ?

The simple fact is that you are a petty person who is fundamentally dishonest when you get called out. Half the time, you pout, run away and put people on ignore. 

Lets review, you said: "But I'm sorry trans people bother you so."

That is a fundamentally dishonest response to what I typed out. I never said nor argued that trans people bother me so. 

What bothers me is that people like you defend and support drugging children and giving them life changing surgery, or further confusing them with "affirming" care, when almost certainly they are not really trans at all and will grow out of any confusion they have with their identity.