Poilievre won't commit to the 2% NATO target

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, myata said:

Right parabellum by hiding and running away from scum and thugs, must sound plausible in some universe.

And i see we woke up on the wrong side of re tarded this morning. 

[suds]

4 hours ago, myata said:

I don't appreciate brave patriots playing lofty tunes also blatantly misleading public (yes there's a shorter word), like some Vlad or you know who. While I'm no fan, the statement above is factually incorrect:

Trudeau commits to NATO spending target (BBC)

Since the possibility of a Trudeau government being around anywhere near 2032 is remote, it's 'commitment' to Nato spending is really nothing more than a meaningless gesture is it not?

[myata]

1 hour ago, suds said:

Since the possibility of a Trudeau government being around anywhere near 2032 is remote, it's 'commitment' to Nato spending is really nothing more than a meaningless gesture is it not?

Well, as long as we have this political system, that I'm in no way is an advocate of, each party" in it (I do not think they have the same meaning here as in a true, open and transparent parliamentary democracy) declares its policies and commitments. Clearly, parties can neither guarantee their place in the office, nor discount such possibility.

[suds]

14 minutes ago, myata said:

Well, as long as we have this political system, that I'm in no way is an advocate of, each party" in it (I do not think they have the same meaning here as in a true, open and transparent parliamentary democracy) declares its policies and commitments. Clearly, parties can neither guarantee their place in the office, nor discount such possibility.

I agree, the party system is the weak link in our democracy. Politicians look no further than the next election while China plans 100 years ahead. But try and get rid of them.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Well, as long as we have this political system, that I'm in no way is an advocate of

we know, we know. You think communism will solve everything. Respect, Russia has certainly had to increase its military spending in the last few years so maybe you're on to something  

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, suds said:

I agree, the party system is the weak link in our democracy. Politicians look no further than the next election while China plans 100 years ahead. But try and get rid of them.

Is there such a thing as a democracy without a party system...So how would that work, how do we elect or appoint  officials/ leader.

[suds]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Is there such a thing as a democracy without a party system...So how would that work, how do we elect or appoint  officials/ leader.

The U.S. Constitution for example doesn't mention the word 'party' anywhere because the framers feared the use of political parties. They felt they were too divisive which they are. But they were not banned either because how do you prevent like minded members of a congress or legislature from unofficially forming their own bloc?

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Is there such a thing as a democracy without a party system...So how would that work, how do we elect or appoint  officials/ leader.

There absolutely is, it would work very very very badly and it would be horrible. 

Probably the closest 'functional' thing would be democratic representation as we saw in the roman senate and greek states or sparta, but it was a very chaotic and less than productive arrangements in most cases. 

The thing is it tends to be either vastly more susceptible to corruption OR too 'democratic' (where it becomes the tyrrany of the majority).   Remember, pure democracy is a very bad thing.  Pure democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on whats' for dinner.  

It can work in very small groups but it scales very very badly. 

[Dougie93]

On 9/14/2024 at 8:43 AM, myata said:

I don't appreciate brave patriots playing lofty tunes also blatantly misleading public (yes there's a shorter word), like some Vlad or you know who. While I'm no fan, the statement above is factually incorrect:

Trudeau commits to NATO spending target (BBC)

the sign that the Kremlin is prepared to escalate is when they deploy their nuclear submarines into action

World War Three begins when someone puts a torpedo under a keel upon the high seas

only then are we away to the races

in the meantime, stand by, wait out