In victory for Trump, judge delays criminal sentencing until after U.S. election

[CrakHoBarbie]

Actually,  this ruling didn't do Donald any favors. Quite the opposite.

Donald should of been praying to be sentenced before the election. Then he could of harnessed all that sympathy from the "lawfare" crowd.

Now, he'll get sentenced after he loses to Harris, and hopefully,  he'll get 18 months home confinement, with that uncomfortable piece of plastic strapped to his ankle.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Actually,  this ruling didn't do Donald any favors. Quite the opposite.

Well, you're right in the sense that if they'd sentenced him during the election his polls would have shot up yet again. 

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Donald should of been praying to be sentenced before the election. Then he could of harnessed all that sympathy from the "lawfare" crowd.

Sure, but that would be offset by being locked up and unable to campaign.

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Now, he'll get sentenced after he loses to Harris, and hopefully, 

Looks like it'll most likely get tossed now and he'll walk either way. 

[ironstone]

Some interesting comments from one Nicholas Biase, chief spokesman for Manhattan US Attorney's Office. (Alvin Bragg's colleague)

“Every real estate person in New York does what he [Trump] did. Nobody’s ever been charged with this … You know, it’s a perversion of justice,” he was filmed saying.

https://nypost.com/2024/09/05/us-news/top-spokesman-for-manhattan-us-attorneys-office-caught-on-secret-recording-blasting-da-bragg-over-trump-prosecution/

This is what we've been saying all along.

[SpankyMcFarland]

I suspect Trump would have benefited from sentencing before the election. It would have fed into the martyrdom narrative and given a boost to the followers. 

[herbie]

15 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I suspect Trump would have benefited from sentencing before the election. It would have fed into the martyrdom narrative and given a boost to the followers. 

I assume that was a large part of the decision. Along with trembling in fear that if DonOld won he would personally do anything in his power to personally destroy the Judge, his family and all others involved. As he almost specifically pointed out he will do to anyone that doesn't kiss his ass.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I suspect Trump would have benefited from sentencing before the election. It would have fed into the martyrdom narrative and given a boost to the followers. 

it would actually have taken him out of the campaign though. It would have been very risky.

But yes, it could have blown up in their face just as easily. Obviously they didn't feel like risking it

1 hour ago, herbie said:

I assume that was a large part of the decision. Along with trembling in fear that if DonOld won he would personally do anything in his power to personally destroy the Judge, his family and all others involved. As he almost specifically pointed out he will do to anyone that doesn't kiss his ass.

I think that's probably a given already  

[Rebound]

On 9/9/2024 at 10:24 AM, ironstone said:

Some interesting comments from one Nicholas Biase, chief spokesman for Manhattan US Attorney's Office. (Alvin Bragg's colleague)

“Every real estate person in New York does what he [Trump] did. Nobody’s ever been charged with this … You know, it’s a perversion of justice,” he was filmed saying.

https://nypost.com/2024/09/05/us-news/top-spokesman-for-manhattan-us-attorneys-office-caught-on-secret-recording-blasting-da-bragg-over-trump-prosecution/

This is what we've been saying all along.

You truly must be an absolute fool to believe that Donald Trump is not a criminal.  He is definitely a criminal. He has refused to pay his contractors and lawyers for decades.  His administration was riddled with criminals who went to jail.  He is a rapist. He definitely did pay hush money to a porn star and covered it up illegally, and, no, “they don’t all do it.”  He didn’t just steal classified documents, he kept them after being legally ordered to return them and we know for a fact that he deliberately and personally kept half the classified documents for himself after signing documents swearing that he’d returned them all. And that’s not even to mention the election interference and triggering a riot which cost many innocent lives.  
 

GUILTY AS F*CK.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

You truly must be an absolute fool to believe that Donald Trump is not a criminal.  He is definitely a criminal. He has refused to pay his contractors and lawyers for decades.

That's not criminal 

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 His administration was riddled with criminals who went to jail.

a: That doesn't make him criminal

b: They mostly went to jail for 'lying to the fbi" , not anything they actually did.
 

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He is a rapist.

 

Says who? He's never been even tried for that.

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He definitely did pay hush money to a porn star and covered it up illegally, and, no, “they don’t all do it.”  

Nope it's perfectly legal to pay hush money to a porn star and he did not 'cover it up', it was recorded in his finances. The whole thing requeies you to believe he recorded it in that way to commit another crime which was never proven.

That's why people aren't buying that crap.  but sure - he is technically the first person in history to be convicted of 'felony bookkeeping'.  Nobody cares. 

 

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He didn’t just steal classified documents, he kept them after being legally ordered to return them and we know for a fact that he deliberately and personally kept half the classified documents for himself after signing documents swearing that he’d returned them all.

Possibly true, certainly far more valid an accusation than anything else you've mentioned  But so did biden.  So did  Hillary.  It's accepted that in SOME cases this is acceptable.  A judge will have to decide if what he did is actually criminal.

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And that’s not even to mention the election interference and triggering a riot which cost many innocent lives.  

Because he's not guilty of that. So ... best not to mention it. 

 

Look. It has been PAINFULLY obvious that the vast majority of the legal bullcrap trump has faced is nothing more than weaponizing the courts to attack your political opponent. So even the small number of legit cases now hold no meaning to the public, 

I warned of this some time ago. If you cry wolf all day and night, pretty soon nobody cares even if one shows up.  The dems entire election strategy was 'trump criminal" and to bankrupt him fighting charges and paying fake fines. 

Now the public is so desensitized to it that it's meaningless. 

[ironstone]

19 hours ago, Rebound said:

You truly must be an absolute fool to believe that Donald Trump is not a criminal.  He is definitely a criminal. He has refused to pay his contractors and lawyers for decades.  His administration was riddled with criminals who went to jail.  He is a rapist. He definitely did pay hush money to a porn star and covered it up illegally, and, no, “they don’t all do it.”  He didn’t just steal classified documents, he kept them after being legally ordered to return them and we know for a fact that he deliberately and personally kept half the classified documents for himself after signing documents swearing that he’d returned them all. And that’s not even to mention the election interference and triggering a riot which cost many innocent lives.  
 

GUILTY AS F*CK.

For all that, you neglected to address what Bragg's colleague said...on video.

 

[Rebound]

29 minutes ago, ironstone said:

For all that, you neglected to address what Bragg's colleague said...on video.

 

Bragg’s colleague didn’t say anything… on video. 

See the problem? You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. Alvin Bragg is the Manhattan District Attorney. That means, (pay attention) Bragg works for the City of New York. 

The person who was recorded on video works in the Federal Prosecutor’s office. That means he works for the United States Federal Government, and they are not colleagues. They have different employers and prosecute different crimes under entirely different laws and jurisdictions. 

This is why, (pay attention), Trump’s allegations of Biden prosecuting Trump are nonsense, because the Federal Government has no authority over the City Government of New York. 

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Bragg’s colleague didn’t say anything… on video. 

See the problem? You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. Alvin Bragg is the Manhattan District Attorney. That means, (pay attention) Bragg works for the City of New York. 

The person who was recorded on video works in the Federal Prosecutor’s office. That means he works for the United States Federal Government, and they are not colleagues. They have different employers and prosecute different crimes under entirely different laws and jurisdictions. 

This is why, (pay attention), Trump’s allegations of Biden prosecuting Trump are nonsense, because the Federal Government has no authority over the City Government of New York. 

“Every real estate person in New York does what he [Trump] did. Nobody’s ever been charged with this … You know, it’s a perversion of justice,” he was filmed saying.

Nicholas Biase is right. ( chief spokesman for Manhattan US Attorney's Office)

What are the names of all the other real estate people in New York that were charged with this same offense?

[Rebound]

18 minutes ago, ironstone said:

“Every real estate person in New York does what he [Trump] did. Nobody’s ever been charged with this … You know, it’s a perversion of justice,” he was filmed saying.

Nicholas Biase is right. ( chief spokesman for Manhattan US Attorney's Office)

What are the names of all the other real estate people in New York that were charged with this same offense?

This Nicholas Biase?

”Nicholas Biase, chief public information officer for the US Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, said in a statement, “I was recently made aware of a video where I regretfully made some statements in a private and social setting that don’t reflect my views about two local and state prosecutions.”

Biase’s statement about the case, which is outside of his office’s jurisdiction, came hours after conservative podcaster Steven Crowder released a secretly recorded, edited video of conversations between Biase and an unidentified woman that Crowder said occurred in July and August.

“I said these things in an effort to please and impress someone I just met, who was secretly filming me,” Biase said. “I’m deeply sorry to the local and state law enforcement officials working on these matters, who deserve more respect than I showed them. I should have known better.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/06/politics/manhattan-us-attorney-office-spokesperson-video-trump-hush-money/index.html

Edited September 11, 2024 by Rebound

[ironstone]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

This Nicholas Biase?

”Nicholas Biase, chief public information officer for the US Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, said in a statement, “I was recently made aware of a video where I regretfully made some statements in a private and social setting that don’t reflect my views about two local and state prosecutions.”

Biase’s statement about the case, which is outside of his office’s jurisdiction, came hours after conservative podcaster Steven Crowder released a secretly recorded, edited video of conversations between Biase and an unidentified woman that Crowder said occurred in July and August.

“I said these things in an effort to please and impress someone I just met, who was secretly filming me,” Biase said. “I’m deeply sorry to the local and state law enforcement officials working on these matters, who deserve more respect than I showed them. I should have known better.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/06/politics/manhattan-us-attorney-office-spokesperson-video-trump-hush-money/index.html

He got caught in a candid moment and is clearly trying to distance himself from his remarks.

Still waiting for you to produce all the names of New York real estate people that were charged exactly like Trump...

[Rebound]

1 minute ago, ironstone said:

He got caught in a candid moment and is clearly trying to distance himself from his remarks.

Still waiting for you to produce all the names of New York real estate people that were charged exactly like Trump...

How about if you produce the names of the New York real estate people who did the same thing Trump did? Cause how the F should I know who has and hasn’t filed fraudulent financial disclosures to banks?

Edited September 11, 2024 by Rebound

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

How about if you produce the names of the New York real estate people who did the same thing Trump did? Cause how the F should I know who has and hasn’t filed fraudulent financial disclosures to banks?

Doesn't matter what their names are if they were never charged. 

So you agree nobody but trump was ever charged like that in history. 

Well. There you go. 

[ironstone]

2 minutes ago, Rebound said:

How about if you produce the names of the New York real estate people who did the same thing Trump did? Cause how the F should I know who has and hasn’t filed fraudulent financial disclosures to banks?

It's safe to assume that in order to be involved in the NYC real estate business, one must have very deep pockets and is also likely to be very prominent in the public eye.

Surely there must have been countless times when other real estate giants did what Trump did? Those names  would certainly have been front and center in newspapers and television media would they not?

Of all the learned talking heads that I've heard, they say the same thing, namely that Trump alone has been singled out.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, ironstone said:

 

Surely there must have been countless times when other real estate giants did what Trump did? Those names  would certainly have been front and center in newspapers and television media would they not?

 

No, they wouldn't be in the papers. Because nobody cares, this isn't a thing that has actually been enforced even as a misdemeanor civil  offense, never mind as a felony. And in fact New York is the only place where what he did is even remotely inappropriate, there are no such laws anywhere else in America.

Let's be clear, he didn't hide his taxes, he didn't hide his income, he didn't hide the payment. What he did was say that the payment to her was part of legal expenses. The court claims that that was misleading but it's only misleading and a felony if he did it with the specific intent to hide another crime. And they never had to prove that the other crime happened, the jury just had to believe that it probably did.

That's what makes this so ridiculous. It's literally felony bookkeeping, he put things under the GL code of legal expense instead of the GL code for something else that they didn't specifically say he should have. It didn't affect his books, it didn't affect his taxes or his other obligations or anything like that. But it does keep private the agreement, which was the point of the agreement. And the agreement isn't illegal people sign non-disclosures like that all the time.

 

[RobMichael]

Delaying criminal sentencing until after an election can raise concerns about justice being influenced by political timing. In a fair and equitable society, the legal system should function independently of political events, ensuring that accountability is upheld, regardless of one's position or influence. Social justice thrives on the principle that all individuals are treated equally under the law, and delaying consequences based on election timing undermines this ideal. A robust justice system must prioritize fairness and transparency to ensure that no one is above the law, preserving the public’s trust in its integrity.