Federal government to put 100% tariff on EVs made in China

[blackbird]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The biggest problem we have with democracy is the people  

Yes, humans are imperfect, fallen sinners.  That is the problem in a nutshell.  That is why democracy is a seriously flawed system.  Some people believe democracy will be a perfect and fair system.  But that has proven a myth.  We cannot change the people.  However, the reason why the people prefer democracy is the alternatives would be worse, which is true.  Most countries are not democratic and many are dictatorships of one kind or another.  We just need to be aware that our system can be used by dictatorial-minded politicians to impose their own personal agendas.

Edited September 1, 2024 by blackbird

[blackbird]

As much as many hate to admit it, we live in a fallen, sinful world.   It all began when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden.   From that moment on, mankind broke his relationship with God and became rebellious.  The world became a fallen place.  Death entered the world as well as disease, sickness, wars, crime, and corruption.  That is the state of the world ever since the Fall of man as it is called.  

While democracy sounds like a noble aim, because of the state of the world, it has it's weaknesses and cannot solve all the problems.  When people are voted into power, that does not suddenly change their character, ability, or honesty.  They struggle with the temptations and evils of the world the same as others.  They may be more knowledgeable or better equipped to govern than many others, but they are still not perfect.  Nobody is perfect in this world.  But it is vitally important to choose the right people to lead a country, people with good morals, character, and abilities.  What they do can have lasting effects for the people they govern, good and bad.

Edited September 1, 2024 by blackbird

[Aristides]

People want cheap stuff made by people who work for little under poor conditions, then complain when all their manufacturing moves to those countries. 

[blackbird]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

People want cheap stuff made by people who work for little under poor conditions, then complain when all their manufacturing moves to those countries. 

That's true.  Big business wanted the government to establish trading relations with countries like China that have vast numbers of people providing cheap labour so they could invest in manufacturing in places like China to produce low cost goods.  Since Canada imports all these low cost products,  companies know they cannot do the manufacturing in Canada because labour costs and other costs are far higher.  They just can't compete by manufacturing a lot of things in Canada.  That's why when we order things from Amazon, they often are made in China.  So many things are made in China now that we are dependent on them.  

The few things that we can make money on are our natural resources.  Canada has vast natural resources, energy products like oil and gas, minerals, and agriculture that the rest of the world needs.  That is where we can make money and where we have good-paying jobs.  No use trying to compete in manufacturing things that Asians can make for peanuts. 

I would not blame the people for wanting cheap stuff.  The people only have a limited amount of money and with the high cost of living, of course we need to purchase wisely to save money when we can.  The lower cost of goods from other countries is what has made life much better in Canada. 

Politicians like to pontificate about the poor working conditions in places like China, but they can't change that and they are enjoying all the low cost products that come from those countries too.  But I suppose they are trying to look good and score a few brownie points.  The fact is if we did not purchase the goods from China, either somebody else in the world would buy them, or those people would have no jobs at all and be in dire poverty.  But if you ever saw the present day cities in China on television, you would see they have countless huge apartments buildings, modern highways, and countless motor vehicles.  The country seems quite well developed even with the vast population they have.

Edited September 1, 2024 by blackbird

[blackbird]

The fact China can produce goods at a far lower price than Canada just proves we shouldn't be trying to compete in those areas.  Our wealth and prosperity is in natural resources in this modern world.  That's another reason it doesn't make a lot of sense to put a 100% tariff on EVs from China.  That only favours the EV manufacturing sector in north America, which is mainly in the U.S. at the expense of ordinary Canadians who need to buy motor vehicles.  How is cutting off low cost EVs from China going to benefit the average Canadian?  It will ensure the EVs Canadians buy will be very expensive and most Canadians won't be able to afford them. 

Why are Canadians being forced to help the U.S. EV manufacturing sector at the expense of Canadians?

Edited September 1, 2024 by blackbird

[Aristides]

Look for Chinese companies to start manufacturing in Mexico where they will be protected under NAFTA.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

Yes, humans are imperfect, fallen sinners.  That is the problem in a nutshell.  That is why democracy is a seriously flawed system. 

I believe the quote from history that you're working your way towards is "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time"

In other words it sucks. But it's the best we've got.

At it's heart democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  It is the tyranny of the majority, and not necessarily the brightest part of the majority. 

Which is why we have a constitutional or representative democracy and not a true democracy. 

But as noted, it's the best we've got.  And it works ok IF PEOPLE USE IT.  But most people are "too busy" with "important" things to care about their governance and as we all know the world is run by those who show up. IF the beurocrats, special interests and corrupt people show up then that's who's running the show. 

[blackbird]

China announced they are retaliating with 100% tariff on Canadian canola.  This will hit the farmers hard across the prairies.  But Trudeau is protecting the potential EV manufacturers in central Canada where there are far more votes.  So he can sacrifice the canola farmers.  What the heck, only half of the Canola is sold to China. This in spite of the fact EVs are mostly made in the U.S.

[Old Guy]

On 8/31/2024 at 6:04 AM, ExFlyer said:

It is a dig at China. As I said, most EV's in the world are made in China.

It is a revenue generating plan.

It is to offset the tax breaks for EV's

It's following America's lead in hope that they won't cut us out of the EV market.  China will likely strike back with a tariff on our canola since they announced an investigation is underway.

[herbie]

It is following the USA's lead as we don't have a choice.
It not only ensures domestic makers will drag their feet even longer. deprisves consumers of choice and ensures those EV rebates to buyers must continue so the makers can pocket those too into their higher prices.

We should've offered China the option to build here, comply with the terms of NAFTA2 content requirements to avoid any tariff that way. MAKE domestic companies compete and lower cost to consumers..

[ExFlyer]

On 9/3/2024 at 8:16 PM, blackbird said:

China announced they are retaliating with 100% tariff on Canadian canola.  This will hit the farmers hard across the prairies.  But Trudeau is protecting the potential EV manufacturers in central Canada where there are far more votes.  So he can sacrifice the canola farmers.  What the heck, only half of the Canola is sold to China. This in spite of the fact EVs are mostly made in the U.S.

Where in central Canada are they making EV's??

Some of you are working on some imaginary premise.

We do not have and will unlikely no fave Chinese EV;s yet, we will lose lts of business from agriculture tariffs. 50% of all canola exports go to China...that is not a drop in the bucket LOL