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[User]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

How do I engage with this level of laziness?

I mean you quickly google a Wiki article that says what you want it to say and then think I'm the person who has to verify Wiki is correct.

No, dumbass.  You referenced Wiki. YOU check it out.  YOU verify your sources.

I'm sick to death of this intellectual laziness - quickly googling an opposing view and strutting around like "AHA! I got you!"

FFS  It's either stupid or lazy.

I must be really getting to you now, you are just outright resorting to petty name calling. 

I never said you have to verify Wiki is correct about anything. 

My response here is no more lazy than yours, where you say read this book, no one has proven any part of it is false!

Um, yeah, several folks have. 

 

[impartialobserver]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's not just the covid vax. It's Oxy and other opioids. It's shady Drs who traffic them. It's health publications who act as shills for big pharma. it's governments and judges who let them off the hook. It's legislation in western countries that says "anything defined as a disease can only be treated with prescription drugs". It's MSM outlets that let these stories fade away into oblivion without properly covering them.

Just think of how many less-important stories got headlines when all this was happening... 

From 2012-2015 Duffygate was headline news in Canada on a consistent basis, how many times did Oxy or Purdue Pharma grab a headline? 

So not to derail the train but prescription drugs that are not opioids but deal with conditions such as seasonal allergies, digestive issues, MS, Muscular Dystrophy, ALS are ok?  Folks like prescription drugs because there is the perception that they will get relief or a positive result in the near future. Physical therapy, diet changes, etc. can often take months if not years to show noticeable relief. 

[Goddess]

21 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I know of your issues with covid vax but does this distrust cover all prescription drugs made and not just opioids? A simple yes or no will suffice. 

Of course not.

Pharmaceuticals have their place in medicine.

7 minutes ago, User said:

your claim about that book was absurdly wrong. 

It's your Wiki page that's wrong. 

No money has been paid to anyone.  

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Of course not.

Pharmaceuticals have their place in medicine.

Ok. Thanks for keeping it short and succinct. 

[User]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm asking you honestly if you feel like you'd trust Bernie Madoff to give you financial advice. And if the answer is no, then why would you trust Big Pharma, the NiH, FDA etc? 

You are asking me this... but you couldn't even answer my question. 

You keep making these broad generalizations about "Big Pharma." Big Pharma is no one and nothing, its just a generalization. 

You are playing a deceitful game of impugning the entire industry and all of modern medicine over a handful of issues. I neither trust nor distrust "Big Pharma" as its just a generalization. 

What I don't do, is dismiss all modern medicine or in this case oppose all vaccines as if none of them work or can be trusted because of a few issues in the industry as a whole. 

You might as well ask me if I trust Big auto, because of all the recalls and safety issues and problems... OMG, we shouldn't ever drive! 

I mean, I hope you are walking everywhere, you can't trust Big Auto with your driving safety. 

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Ok. Thanks for keeping it short and succinct. 

You're not the first person to try and infer that I'm against all modern medicine.

It's getting to be a tired and old accusation, though.

[User]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

 

It's your Wiki page that's wrong. 

No money has been paid to anyone.  

That is some circular logic... LOL. My source said he would pay anyone that proved him wrong, and since he has not done so, then my source is right about everything!

You are not a serious person. 

Just now, Goddess said:

You're not the first person to try and infer that I'm against all modern medicine.

It's getting to be a tired and old accusation, though.

So... you trust Big Pharma for some things... even after you have spent all this time railing against them. 

Perhaps you need to change your language if you are tired of the accusations. 

Just like with vaccines, you still won't admit that any of them are safe and good or give me any examples (other than COVID) that you think are bad on the schedule. 

[Goddess]

Just now, User said:

That is some circular logic... LOL. My source said he would pay anyone that proved him wrong, and since he has not done so, then my source is right about everything!

You are not a serious person. 

I've read the book and looked up quite a lot of the references to verify.  I've also read the claims that something is untrue in the book and seen the rebuttals, to which the claimant then disappears.

What have you done about the claim you're making?

I mean, besides hastily googling a Wiki page that you didn't even verify if what they're saying is true.

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, User said:

Once again, you seek to ignore specific claims and dismiss the source... Wiki linked to the sources it provided, it was not the actual source. 

Beside, I only quickly provided that to demonstrate, again, that your claim about that book was absurdly wrong. 

If it will make you feel better, I can go pull one of the examples out of Wiki and link straight to that... but I guess you will just ignore me or dismiss that too. 

What have you done, User?

How much do you know about the covid vax? Oxy? Fauci? His Wuhan lab funding? Who even needed a covid vax? When did we know it didn't work: was that before or after the mandates?  

Why are you acting like some kind of sealioning gatekeeper?

FYI Goddess and I went through all this in real time, explaining to people that the jabs weren't actually working, and there was no good reasons to jab kids, and forcing healthy young people to take the jabs was a crime, and that we were being lied to by Fauci & the NEJoM and The Lancet, and that alternatives to the almighty jab were being kiboshed by big pharma shills, etc. 

If you were up to speed then you wouldn't be slack-jawed, gazing at facts which were proven in agonizing detail over the past few years here, with suspicion. 

You f'ing well know that the jab was a hoax. Why would you choose to be skeptical of the people who were telling you that all along? The "conspiracy theorists" won, dude. It's game over. Move your skepticism elsewhere. 

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

So not to derail the train but prescription drugs that are not opioids but deal with conditions such as seasonal allergies, digestive issues, MS, Muscular Dystrophy, ALS are ok?  Folks like prescription drugs because there is the perception that they will get relief or a positive result in the near future. Physical therapy, diet changes, etc. can often take months if not years to show noticeable relief. 

Buddy, I don't know what's ok and neither do you. All I know for sure is that the people we're supposed to be able to trust are absolutely not trustworthy. They'll throw us all in a hole for $50/head without a moment of remorse. That's a problem. 

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

FYI Goddess and I went through all this in real time,

Yes, we did.

This one comes late to the party and demands everybody stop and fill him in on what's been going on for the last 3 years.

I put the work in.  Waded through mounds of 💩 lies to find things out.

It's all here, mostly on threads you or I started.  He can catch up on his own.

He won't, though.

[User]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

What have you done, User?

How much do you know about the covid vax? Oxy? Fauci? His Wuhan lab funding? Who even needed a covid vax? When did we know it didn't work: was that before or after the mandates?  

Why are you acting like some kind of sealioning gatekeeper?

FYI Goddess and I went through all this in real time, explaining to people that the jabs weren't actually working, and there was no good reasons to jab kids, and forcing healthy young people to take the jabs was a crime, and that we were being lied to by Fauci & the NEJoM and The Lancet, and that alternatives to the almighty jab were being kiboshed by big pharma shills, etc. 

If you were up to speed then you wouldn't be slack-jawed, gazing at facts which were proven in agonizing detail over the past few years here, with suspicion. 

You f'ing well know that the jab was a hoax. Why would you choose to be skeptical of the people who were telling you that all along? The "conspiracy theorists" won, dude. It's game over. Move your skepticism elsewhere. 

 I joined this discussion because Goddess falsely claimed the Vaccine schedules significantly differed between America and Denmark. 

Goddess then proceeded to ask a bunch of rhetorical questions and loaded questions with false claims to raise a phony doubt about vaccines in general in America. 

I have repeatedly tried to get Goddess to actually respond to that, but keep getting drug down this "Big Pharma" generalized garbage. 

You have not won anything. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Yes, we did.

This one comes late to the party and demands everybody stop and fill him in on what's been going on for the last 3 years.

I put the work in.  Waded through mounds of 💩 lies to find things out.

It's all here, mostly on threads you or I started.  He can catch up on his own.

He won't, though.

No, you made a false claim about the vaccine schedules, asked a bunch of dumb questions, some loaded with false assertions... 

THAT is what got me in this thread and responding to you. 

You have run away from ever responding to that though. 

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, User said:

You are asking me this... but you couldn't even answer my question. 

You keep making these broad generalizations about "Big Pharma." Big Pharma is no one and nothing, its just a generalization. 

You are playing a deceitful game of impugning the entire industry and all of modern medicine over a handful of issues. I neither trust nor distrust "Big Pharma" as its just a generalization. 

What I don't do, is dismiss all modern medicine or in this case oppose all vaccines as if none of them work or can be trusted because of a few issues in the industry as a whole. 

You might as well ask me if I trust Big auto, because of all the recalls and safety issues and problems... OMG, we shouldn't ever drive! 

I mean, I hope you are walking everywhere, you can't trust Big Auto with your driving safety. 

I'm not playing a deceitful game at all. 

The problem isn't just that "a few big pharma giants have been caught lying and even killing people". Stop minimizing it: minimization is a form of lying, pal.

The problem is that they get cover from the MSM, FDA, NIH, CDC, judges, governments, etc while they're doing it. 

Big Auto eventually pays for their mistakes. VW found a way to make their cars pass emissions tests and they paid several billions in fines. Who at Purdue went to jail for killing people? How many Drs who prescribed it, while knowing full-well what would happen, ever went to jail? 

[impartialobserver]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Buddy, I don't know what's ok and neither do you. All I know for sure is that the people we're supposed to be able to trust are absolutely not trustworthy. They'll throw us all in a hole for $50/head without a moment of remorse. That's a problem. 

No, I am no MD nor a chemist. At some point (covid aside) you either trust that the drug will do the desired result or you choose to endure whatever ails you. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I've read the book and looked up quite a lot of the references to verify.  I've also read the claims that something is untrue in the book and seen the rebuttals, to which the claimant then disappears.

What have you done about the claim you're making?

I mean, besides hastily googling a Wiki page that you didn't even verify if what they're saying is true.

I no more hastily posted that then you asserted the book was all true. 

[WestCanMan]

14 minutes ago, User said:

So... you trust Big Pharma for some things... even after you have spent all this time railing against them. 

I trust big pharma to make money from selling drugs that work, and I trust big pharma to try to make money from dugs that don't work. I trust regulatory bodies and health pubs and Drs and governments to help them sell their crap, and then to look the other way if they're busted. 

See? In a way, I'm just as trusting as you are. 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

No, I am no MD nor a chemist. At some point (covid aside) you either trust that the drug will do the desired result or you choose to endure whatever ails you. 

The joke used to be that "Big pharma is still mad about all the money they lost on polio". Well, I think they made up for that now, while simultaneously destroying the meaning of the word 'vaccine'. 

[Goddess]

14 minutes ago, User said:

 I joined this discussion because Goddess falsely claimed the Vaccine schedules significantly differed between America and Denmark. 

US:  Your child needs vaccines as they grow! | Vaccines & Immunizations | CDC

Denmark:  Childhood vaccination programme (ssi.dk)

Sweden:  Vaccination programmes and recommendations - The Public Health Agency of Sweden (folkhalsomyndigheten.se)

Can you count?  Or do you need help with that, too?  Do understand that 28-30 is a higher number than 3 or 15?  Do you need that explained to you?

 

Edited September 5, 2024 by Goddess

[User]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Who at Purdue went to jail for killing people? How many Drs who prescribed it, while knowing full-well what would happen, ever went to jail? 

Looks like they paid as well

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-global-resolution-criminal-and-civil-investigations-opioid

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, User said:

Looks like they paid as well

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-global-resolution-criminal-and-civil-investigations-opioid

Not as much as society has paid for the opiod crisis.

Surprised you defend them.  Have you seen what's happening on the streets?

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, User said:

You have not won anything. 

You need to go stroke eyeball, ExFlyer, Hodad and a few of the other 'winners' who carried that torch before you. 

Say things like: "After we vaxed 86% of the populations, covid spread far faster than ever before, resulting in several times as many infections, and resulting in far more deaths than ever before, but CFR was down so the vaccines are a success!"

Quote

No, you made a false claim about the vaccine schedules, asked a bunch of dumb questions, some loaded with false assertions... 

THAT is what got me in this thread and responding to you. 

You have run away from ever responding to that though. 

Get up to speed, buddy. You're not even on P1 yet.

[Goddess]

13 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

At some point (covid aside) you either trust that the drug will do the desired result or you choose to endure whatever ails you. 

That is usually a life-or-death- decision, where the side effects of a drug or treatment is weighed against the possibility of death.

For covid, the vast majority of humans were at miniscule risk.  But we were not allowed to or given the information to decide if we wanted to take the risk.

The jabs are falsely credited for saving healthy people, who were never at risk.

[impartialobserver]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The joke used to be that "Big pharma is still mad about all the money they lost on polio". Well, I think they made up for that now, while simultaneously destroying the meaning of the word 'vaccine'. 

Not to give you economics but prescription drugs are an example of low price elasticity of demand. Jack the price up and because of few (if any) options, you pay the higher price. Well, the point is that one has to have some trust or be willing to endure whatever ails you. 

[impartialobserver]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

That is usually a life-or-death- decision, where the side effects of a drug or treatment is weighed against the possibility of death.

For covid, the vast majority of humans were at miniscule risk.  But we were not allowed to or given the information to decide if we wanted to take the risk.

The jabs are falsely credited for saving healthy people, who were never at risk.

I am referring to pharmaceutical drugs as a whole

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

I am referring to pharmaceutical drugs as a whole

Same thing.

Read up on the current studies on SSRI's.