Our Bloated Canadian Government

[exPS]

Of course, that also applies to the Federal Government Offices, the Public Service and all the way down to the Provinical, Municipal and City levels, but that can be another topic.

So instead of trying to be delusional and say, "why can't governments be bigger", the question is, why can't we do what other countries similar to ours does.

 

[ExFlyer]

Still pissed they canned you Eh? LOL

[exPS]

Nope, I left early even though they tried to get me to stay. I was allegic and tired of the BS. Working for the government is all BS.

Look at the bright side, I saved the tax payer some money.

I think the issue is we are still under a British system.

[August1991]

3 hours ago, exPS said:

Nope, I left early even though they tried to get me to stay..

 

Golden handcuffs.

[CdnFox]

   We already did this one with you. You brought this up before and wound up looking like an !diot

Your question was already answered. This is literally exactly the same post from a few months ago.

Let's see if you've gotten any smarter. Right now each MP services and listens to about 100,000 people and their offices are designed to be able to effectively communicate with that level of constituents. Explain to me why those people deserve less representation and less access to their government official?

You couldn't then, I bet you can't now. The only thing worse than bringing up something stupid once is bringing it up a second time after you've already lost. I hope you've given it better thought in the meantime

[August1991]

CdnFox,

Our federal MPs are one question.

Since 2015, Trudeau Jnr has hired many more:

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/trudeau-government-increased-federal-employees-since-2015

When hired, the Gen-X  (and parent) feels important. But is the job permanent?

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, August1991 said:

CdnFox,

Our federal MPs are one question.

Since 2015, Trudeau Jnr has hired many more:

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/trudeau-government-increased-federal-employees-since-2015

 

Sure but that's not what he's talking about. He's specifically citing the number of mp's and senators, the mp seats being issued based on population in a formula set down ages ago and the senate being  non elected and set at a fixed number for ages. 

So - for him to make his claim he would have to argue why canadians deserved to have less representation under the party system we have. 

The last time he brought up this exact same issue all he could say was  "I dunno - me kno have answer as to how many are best, just think too much now".   

Well that's not a logical or reasonable position. IF you think we should have less per capita then you have to make an argument as to why less representation would serve Canadians the same or better.  Right now i can pretty easily see my MP when he's back from ottawa.  Increase the size of the riding and that gets harder. and it gets harder to focus on the specific concerns of my local area. 

So how is that better? If he can't answer - he can't say we should have less. 

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When hired, the Gen-X  (and parent) feels important. But is the job permanent?

What? That doesn't even make sense. Don't be weird. 

[August1991]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure but that's not what he's talking about. He's specifically citing the number of mp's and senators,

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No, since 2015, many (several hundred thousand) GenX kids have been hired in the federal government as "deputy" or "assistant deputy". Since then, they have received good appraisals and are now hoping to become "acting deputy" or "adjoint-assistant".  

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, August1991 said:

No, since 2015, many (several hundred thousand) GenX kids have been hired in the federal government as "deputy" or "assistant deputy". Since then, they have received good appraisals and are now hoping to become "acting deputy" or "adjoint-assistant".  

Why would they only hire gen x .  You realize that the millenials are entering their 40's now. There are no gen X "Kids",  Gen X is in its late 40s and early 50s for the most part

Honestly you never miss a chance to be weird.  Most of the new hires since 2015 would likely be millennials. 

[Queenmandy85]

The chart in the OP is incorrect. Canada is larger than the USA. 9,984,670 square KM.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The chart in the OP is incorrect. Canada is larger than the USA. 9,984,670 square KM.

True as far as it goes, but I don't even think it's relevant. In Canada we choose the number of MPS we have based on population rather than land mass. For every approximately 100,000 people (I can't remember the exact number) we have an MP. That's in our constitution

The premise is that this is the number of people that a single MP and his staff can reasonably service and be available to. Thats as many people as you can have and still have the time to meet with the ones who want to meet, have staff read the emails, meet with businesses or other groups that have concerns etc. 

So in order to say "thats too many", you'd have to demonstrate why or how if we expanded that to 150 or 200 thousand people per mp that people would still be adequately served.  You can't just say  'because Australia!"  And the us is a disaster right now and obviosuly a republic is different than a westminster democracy so it's not even a sane comparison. 

[ExFlyer]

22 hours ago, exPS said:

Nope, I left early even though they tried to get me to stay. I was allegic and tired of the BS. Working for the government is all BS.

Look at the bright side, I saved the tax payer some money.

I think the issue is we are still under a British system.

What BS.

No one ever tries to get a public servant to stay. The PS knows very well there are hundreds ready to take your place LOL.

You are as important as the hole you leave in the bucket of water when you take your hand out LOL

You never saved the taxpayer anything because your hole was filled the very next day.

British system???
You are just a bitter ex PS that they did not want LOL

[CdnFox]

57 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You are as important as the hole you leave in the bucket of water when you take your hand out LOL

lol  I have not heard that expression before but I fully intend to steal it

[August1991]

On 8/26/2024 at 1:42 AM, CdnFox said:

Why would they only hire gen x .  You realize that the millenials are entering their 40's now. There are no gen X "Kids",  Gen X is in its late 40s and early 50s for the most part

Honestly you never miss a chance to be weird.  Most of the new hires since 2015 would likely be millennials. 

Harper, before 2015, got rid of many people - restricted how they spent. The federal civil service hated Harper.

Under Trudeau Jnr starting in 2015, the federal government hired many people born in the 1990s - recent graduates.

Trudeau Jnr offered: Training, new programmes, travel abroad, generous travel accounts...

Nowadays, these people are in their 30s - and Trudeau Jnr can't borrow anymore.

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Note the recent dispute about work in office/at home.

Under Trudeau Jnr, our federal civil service is close to becoming like Greek/Italian government service - a form of welfare.

Edited August 28, 2024 by August1991

[August1991]

Let me make myself plain.

I often see older people in food courts, at Tim Hortons, retired people.

In their mind, these people worked - now they can live without working.

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How does this trade exist?

Why should the younger (typically dark-skinned, nowadays) person work to make a sandwich so that you can sit and talk to your friends?

 

 

[ExFlyer]

7 hours ago, August1991 said:

Let me make myself plain.

I often see older people in food courts, at Tim Hortons, retired people.

In their mind, these people worked - now they can live without working.

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How does this trade exist?

Why should the younger (typically dark-skinned, nowadays) person work to make a sandwich so that you can sit and talk to your friends?

 

 

Is this your version of Jeopardy game show? LOL

You answered your question before you asked it LOL

[exPS]

16 hours ago, August1991 said:

Harper, before 2015, got rid of many people - restricted how they spent. The federal civil service hated Harper.

Note the recent dispute about work in office/at home.

Under Trudeau Jnr, our federal civil service is close to becoming like Greek/Italian government service - a form of welfare.

From what I remember, it was called Alternate Service Delivery.

Of course the Civil Service hated Harper. The PS will never admit they are useless simply because you do not bite the hand that feeds you. And in the vast majority of cases, they are grossly overpaid, underworked and with benefits people in the private sector do not get. Someone I know did the medical claims for the PS at Sunlife. She had far more responsibility and had to produce for far less money than some clerk in the government gets and no benefits to speak of.

PS working from home, isn't that a joke. Hell, they do not work at work. Half hour lunch breaks are an hour, countless smoke breaks. Of course PS hate hearing the truth which of course if you gave them any real power, think about how corrupt they would be. Look at Justin Trudeau.

Look at the huge increase in the PS in recent years. But it makes our unemployment numbers look better. It is a form of expensive welfare.

And by the way, a full pension for MPs after a mere 6 years. Really, who gets that in the private sector? Nobody.

And all this on your tax dollar. Governments really need to be revamped.

Edited August 28, 2024 by exPS

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, exPS said:

From what I remember, it was called Alternate Service Delivery.

Of course the Civil Service hated Harper. The PS will never admit they are useless simply because you do not bite the hand that feeds you. ......

And all this on your tax dollar. Governments really need to be revamped.

ASD was Harpers way to cut PS but  it ended up a 10 times larger contracting out issue. More and more PS were needed to manage all the contractors that were now working for the government. I hate trudeau but he did get rid of a lot of contractors and filled them back in with PS.

exPS is just a bitter little ex public servant that they booted for poor performance and he is blaming them fo all his/her failures LOL

[exPS]

13 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

ASD was Harpers way to cut PS but  it ended up a 10 times larger contracting out issue. More and more PS were needed to manage all the contractors that were now working for the government. I hate trudeau but he did get rid of a lot of contractors and filled them back in with PS.

exPS is just a bitter little ex public servant that they booted for poor performance and he is blaming them fo all his/her failures LOL

l lot of assumptions from someone that knows nothing.

ASD was given to people that were ready to retire years ago. They got well over $100K each.

You are or were obviously in the PS so I can expect you to be defensive.

I left due to the stupidity there.

Edited August 28, 2024 by exPS

[ExFlyer]

50 minutes ago, exPS said:

l lot of assumptions from someone that knows nothing.

ASD was given to people that were ready to retire years ago. They got well over $100K each.

You are or were obviously in the PS so I can expect you to be defensive.

I left due to the stupidity there.

Fact is, and I was in the PS, no hiring in the PS so, contracting out became the way to go.

Alternate Service Delivery had nothing to do with giving people ready to retire work.  " An ASD arrangement is one in which an external party delivers a program or service that directly pertains to the Agency's mandate "   Someone had to do the work and since the PS was decimated, the work was contracted out.

It was to fill in the voids left by public servant that were let go.

I am far from defiant, I am bringing truth to a bitter ex employee. After all the years since you were a public servant and you still call yourself exPS, you miss it and are pissed they fired you . LOL

Oh and, the stupidity level decreased when left when you did LOL

 

Edited August 28, 2024 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

18 hours ago, August1991 said:

Harper, before 2015, got rid of many people - restricted how they spent. The federal civil service hated Harper.

Which was a great thing, but has nothing to do with hiring gen x. 

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Under Trudeau Jnr starting in 2015, the federal government hired many people born in the 1990s - recent graduates.

That would be millennials.  The millennial generation includes anyone who was born between the years 1981 and 1996. So not gen x

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Trudeau Jnr offered: Training, new programmes, travel abroad, generous travel accounts...

Nowadays, these people are in their 30s - and Trudeau Jnr can't borrow anymore.

 

Still not gen x

So you can't even answer  a simple question. You're just that dumb, you literally can't even comment on your own comment. 

Sigh. Wasn't quebec supposed to be gone by now? Why are you still here?

[exPS]

45 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Alternate Service Delivery had nothing to do with giving people ready to retire work. 

ASD weere given to people that were ready to retire and not 30. Not where I worked.

And with ASD, the government did not have to worry about benefits, superannuation, etc. Once gone, you are gone and no longer a burden to the tax payer.

The government is the most inefficient entity in Canada. Try turning a profit! Just look at the CBC.

You have no idea what a full day of work is. But keep on dreaming as you are a legend in your own mind.

[ExFlyer]

31 minutes ago, exPS said:

ASD weere given to people that were ready to retire and not 30. Not where I worked.

And with ASD, the government did not have to worry about benefits, superannuation, etc. Once gone, you are gone and no longer a burden to the tax payer.

The government is the most inefficient entity in Canada. Try turning a profit! Just look at the CBC.

You have no idea what a full day of work is. But keep on dreaming as you are a legend in your own mind.

Don't be an a$$, I gave you the quote of what ASD is.

ASD was not a golden handshake. It came in after Harper reduced the public service.

"Alternative service delivery (ASD) is the process of changing the delivery of a service from the government to the private sector or another public entity. ASD is not privatization, but does include it as well as the reorganization and restructuring of functions and resposibilities of the government."   https://www.edq.com/glossary/alternative-service-delivery/

You are just a bitter little man that got $hitcanned from the public service  and cannot get over it LOL

A fired public servant is a loser of monumental proportions and you certainly fit the requirements LOL

You even call yourself exPS...a pissed off loser LOL

[Legato]

On 8/25/2024 at 5:52 PM, exPS said:

Nope, I left early even though they tried to get me to stay. I was allegic and tired of the BS. Working for the government is all BS.

Look at the bright side, I saved the tax payer some money.

I think the issue is we are still under a British system.

Was you upstairs or downstairs?

[August1991]

On 8/28/2024 at 4:40 PM, exPS said:

From what I remember, it was called Alternate Service Delivery.

....

I had to google that that term.