Republican comrades spreading support for Marxism

[Matthew]

12 minutes ago, User said:

Nope. 

LOL, it is comical watching you avoid admitting the obvious. I am not sure why you are playing this game. 

Yes, a real thing. Are you not aware of Bidens attempt to rewrite Title 9 and force that on the states? Of liberal controlled places like California forcing this into the schools with laws hiding gender identity from parents? 

Intelligent people can always disagree about anything. It is the political left that is pushing this garbage onto children right now. 

Oh, you mean like saying girls don't have to compete against boys? Yet again, it is the political left who is pushing this madness.

You have to play these political games and label that "anti-trans" to avoid dealing with the specifics.

 

Literally nothing worth responding to here relevant to the thread. 

[User]

4 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Literally nothing worth responding to here relevant to the thread. 

LOL, sure... sure... 

If what I said was not relevant to the thread, it was because you brought it up. If that was your concern to begin with, you seem to have only now figured that out for yourself. 

I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that you tried to blow off what laws the left is pushing onto people, and now that I showed you were wrong... oops, you don't want to play anymore. 

 

[Matthew]

5 minutes ago, User said:

LOL, sure... sure... 

If what I said was not relevant to the thread, it was because you brought it up. If that was your concern to begin with, you seem to have only now figured that out for yourself. 

I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that you tried to blow off what laws the left is pushing onto people, and now that I showed you were wrong... oops, you don't want to play anymore. 

 

You're welcome to go start another anti-trans thread rather than regailing me with all your non-sequitur transgender talking points.

[User]

3 minutes ago, Matthew said:

You're welcome to go start another anti-trans thread rather than regailing me with all your non-sequitur transgender talking points.

LOL, Michael Hardern derailed this thread bringing up JD Vance dressed in drag and you praised it as being the perfect example... this discussion has flowed from there with you driving it every step of the way. 

You want to take your toys and go home now because you can't keep up anymore, I am picking your talking points apart. 

 

[Matthew]

1 minute ago, User said:

Michael Hardern derailed this thread bringing up JD Vance dressed in drag and you praised it as being the perfect example

There is a perfectly germane connection between right wing anti-trans movement and the thesis of this thread. You've already admitted you have no interest in talking about that topic and have instead tried your hardest to make it a thread about your irrelevant thoughts on specific transgender policies.

[User]

Just now, Matthew said:

There is a perfectly germane connection between right wing anti-trans movement and the thesis of this thread. You've already admitted you have no interest in talking about that topic and have instead tried your hardest to make it a thread about your irrelevant thoughts on specific transgender policies.

LOL

The issue was the inaccuracy of what he said, it is always germane to the conversation to correct people saying inaccurate things. 

You happily went along with the discussion this whole way... you just can't respond anymore because I am picking apart your vague and bad arguments or outright falsehoods you are saying. 

You had the time to say something not true, now you don't want to own up to it. 

[myata]

59 minutes ago, Matthew said:

most socialists, who inherently value the idea of democracy and empowering ordinary people.

Up to this clause, it was quite an accurate descriptions. The so called socialist camp was one big prison camp though. Not very different in essence; still another flavor of totalitarianism. Between the two, there isn't a good one.

[Black Dog]

13 hours ago, User said:

I did not say "children being forced"

I choose my language carefully. What I said was:

"When Democrats are passing laws FORCING this onto children, that is not a cultural trend we are talking about. "

And if you actually did read the headlines, the last link I posted was in regards to the Title 9 changes pushed by Biden administration, that does in fact force girls to have to compete against boys in sports as well as share their personal spaces like locker rooms with them. 

Forcing girls to have to compete against boys is a regression of rights and options. 

When Democrats are forcing this crap onto children, as I actually said, they are cutting parents out of issues like gender identity of their own children through the law. 
 

Where, specifically, in the revised rules does it say that?

The rights of LGBTQ students will be protected by federal law and victims of campus sexual assault will gain new safeguards under rules finalized Friday by the Biden administration.

The new provisions are part of a revised Title IX regulation issued by the Education Department, fulfilling a campaign pledge by President Joe Biden. He had promised to dismantle rules created by former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, who added new protections for students accused of sexual misconduct.

Notably absent from Biden’s policy, however, is any mention of transgender athletes.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/bidens-new-title-ix-rules-protect-lgbtq-students-trans-sports-rule-sti-rcna148537

[User]

32 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Where, specifically, in the revised rules does it say that?

 

Title 9's protections are based on sex discrimination and this is going to redefine "sex" to include transgender (gender identity) students identifying as a sex they are not. 

It doesn't have to explicitly spell out sports... when a school forbids a trans student who is a biological male claiming to be a female from competing... that defacto becomes a discrimination based on... sex. 

The Biden admin pulled out the explicit language on sports in a political maneuver, but it doesn't change what the foundation does here in changing sex to mean gender identity too AND if this does go through as OK, then that is the next logical step to explicitly spell it out. 

 

 

 

[Nationalist]

This is stupid. The Libbies hang their whole argument on the definition of the word "gender". I look at my birth certificate and it clearly says "Gender: Male".

End of argument. 

Now...are there enough people out there who have...some sort of issue...with their "gender", to warrant some sort of...accommodation? Meh...let's say there is. The question then become, 'What should this accommodation be?' 

Neither most Libbies or Conservatives would be willing to outright disallow for these people. So what to dooo...

Well...the average Conservative has taken the position that Trannies are fine as adult expressions of one's sensuality...in a proper adult setting. NOT in schools and NOT fcking naked in fcking public. Othere than that...fill ur pumps.

Yet this is unthinkable to Libbies. Kids MUST be exposed to what we can rightly call, sexual deviance. And that...could we please just not talk to parents about intents, so that we "force" our kids to be exposed to...sexual deviance.

This is the issue summarized. 

Now tell me...which side is being unreasonable and rather authoritarian?

Edited August 13, 2024 by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Matthew said:

The MAGA brand of anti-democracy is more in line with traditional fascist movements, where democracy is seen as an impediment to the cause of national unity and that the ethics of democratic rights and due process are less important than the goal of compensating against some perceived national humiliation.

This nationalist approach would be a turn off to most socialists, who inherently value the idea of democracy and empowering ordinary people.  Though more authoritarian leninist type state socialists criticize democracy with the logic that purely individualized rights in a capitalist society are only actually protected for the ruling class and that voting is easily subverted by the power of propertied wealthy interests.

It's a subtle difference though in practice and ultimately I think you're right that the anti-democracy of the current republicans could contribute to their evolution into a de facto communist movement. Though populist workers movements tend to fizzle out before it gets to that.

 

Right - because it was the republicans who tried to undemocratically remove a candidate's name from the ballots using the courts in an unlawful manner. 

It was republicans who used the judicial system to try to bankrupt, suppress and jail an opponent using faked up charges never before seen and fines that were clearly based on politics only. 

It was the republicans who encouraged riots all across the country that burned cities and killed and wounded hundreds.

It was republicans who created a fake "dossier" and talked the FBI into treating it as 'real' in order to interfere with political opponents. 

 

Oh wait. that was all democrats. 

I guess we know who REALLY feels democracy is the burden

[Matthew]

2 hours ago, User said:

I am picking apart your vague and bad arguments

Ah ok, which argument specifically?

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Ah ok, which argument specifically?

See? They're so vague even YOU don't know what they are!  

[User]

6 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Ah ok, which argument specifically?

Since you can't scroll up to where you first ran away...

 

[Matthew]

1 minute ago, User said:

Since you can't scroll up to where you first ran away...

 

Ok, no argument of mine identifed in that post. Do you know what an argument is?

[User]

Just now, Matthew said:

Ok, no argument of mine identifed in that post. Do you know what an argument is?

Oh Lord, you are really going to reduce this to a Monty Python skit like The Argument Clinic now. 

 

[Matthew]

5 minutes ago, User said:

Oh Lord, you are really going to reduce this to a Monty Python skit like The Argument Clinic now. 

 

You used the word argument and then could not identify an argument. So one has to wonder whether you understand the concept.

[User]

1 minute ago, Matthew said:

You used the word argument and then could not identify an argument. So one has to wonder whether you understand the concept.

Here is a hammer, go hit yourself in the head. 

 

[Matthew]

6 minutes ago, User said:

Here is a hammer, go hit yourself in the head. 

 

Here is video for you to learn what arguments are:

 

Edited August 13, 2024 by Matthew

[Black Dog]

2 hours ago, User said:

 

Title 9's protections are based on sex discrimination and this is going to redefine "sex" to include transgender (gender identity) students identifying as a sex they are not. 

It doesn't have to explicitly spell out sports... when a school forbids a trans student who is a biological male claiming to be a female from competing... that defacto becomes a discrimination based on... sex. 

The Biden admin pulled out the explicit language on sports in a political maneuver, but it doesn't change what the foundation does here in changing sex to mean gender identity too AND if this does go through as OK, then that is the next logical step to explicitly spell it out. 

So...it doesn't do what you said it did?

[User]

Just now, Black Dog said:

So...it doesn't do what you said it did?

Feel free to read my comment again. As long as it takes. 

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

This is stupid. The Libbies hang their whole argument on the definition of the word "gender". I look at my birth certificate and it clearly says "Gender: Male".

End of argument. 

The Algerian boxer you were whining about in another thread has "female" on her birth certificate, where's your god now?

[Black Dog]

5 minutes ago, User said:

Feel free to read my comment again. As long as it takes. 

Yeah, you said "Title 9 changes pushed by Biden administration...does in fact force girls to have to compete against boys in sports as well as share their personal spaces like locker rooms with them." And then you admitted it doesn't actually do any of that, but could possibly be used to do so in the future. Do you see the disconnect there?

[User]

Just now, Black Dog said:

Yeah, you said "Title 9 changes pushed by Biden administration...does in fact force girls to have to compete against boys in sports as well as share their personal spaces like locker rooms with them." And then you admitted it doesn't actually do any of that, but could possibly be used to do so in the future. Do you see the disconnect there?

Keep reading, try again. 

 

[Black Dog]

13 minutes ago, User said:

Keep reading, try again. 

 

14 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Yeah, you said "Title 9 changes pushed by Biden administration...does in fact force girls to have to compete against boys in sports as well as share their personal spaces like locker rooms with them." And then you admitted it doesn't actually do any of that, but could possibly be used to do so in the future. Do you see the disconnect there?