The horrors of abortion which our governments support

[User]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh?

Oh... what Mr. just a Devils advocate?

You mindlessly cite crap and you have no clue what it is. Just like Yazan Al Kafarneh. That was not just some kid that starved to death because there was some starvation level event happening... the kid had cerebral palsy and needed a special diet... the kid already had a weakened immune system and died of a respiratory infection, complicated by malnutrition. 

That did not happen because Israel is starving the population and not letting food in. 
 

[User]

43 minutes ago, herbie said:

So can I assume that as birth control and the morning after pill are now FREE, and those reduce the need for abortion that you pro-lifers are fully in support of that policy?

Why or why not?

I am just fine with birth control being available and education and policies aimed at helping folks prevent unwanted pregnancies BEFORE they happen. 

But... so what? A marginal reduction in abortions doesn't change that there are still a ton of abortions. For as long as folks on the left push to normalize abortions, destigmatize them, and push dehumanizing language or other arguments saying the unborn child has no right to life and is just a clump of cells... there are still going to be far too many folks using abortion as a convenient way to not be pregnant. 

 

[User]

47 minutes ago, herbie said:

So can I assume that as birth control and the morning after pill are now FREE, and those reduce the need for abortion that you pro-lifers are fully in support of that policy?

Why or why not?

Here is a similar question for you. 

Would you support programs providing ultrasounds of babies before they are aborted so women can see their unborn child before aborting them?

 

[ExFlyer]

48 minutes ago, User said:

Oh... what Mr. just a Devils advocate?

You mindlessly cite crap and you have no clue what it is. Just like Yazan Al Kafarneh. That was not just some kid that starved to death because there was some starvation level event happening... the kid had cerebral palsy and needed a special diet... the kid already had a weakened immune system and died of a respiratory infection, complicated by malnutrition. 

That did not happen because Israel is starving the population and not letting food in. 
 

I provide links. Don't like them? OK.

As I said top someone else

"As I have said many many times, I got no skin in the game, playing devils advocate and could care less if they all kill each other.

I did not write the articles or make the statements. They are people far more knowledgeable and on site that make them.

Trying to convince me of something or to your thinking is a waste of time. Take it up with the authors "

You are wasting your time trying to convince or convert me or even replying to me. Time to cut your losses and move on LOL

[User]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

I provide links. Don't like them? OK.

As I said top someone else

I provide responses, you don't like them... maybe online forums are not your thing. 

 

[herbie]

56 minutes ago, User said:

Would you support programs providing ultrasounds of babies before they are aborted so women can see their unborn child before aborting them?

Women can already get ultrasounds whenever they want. What in the world would someone want to get an ultrasound for if they'd decided to abort?

Or is this just another manly fascist suggestion to force them to get one first?

[ExFlyer]

11 minutes ago, User said:

I provide responses, you don't like them... maybe online forums are not your thing. 

 

But yours are opinions and you know, opinions are like A holes, everyone has one.

Proof is in the links, not up your rectum LOL

When you get published and have credibility, let us know but, till then, you are an anonymous keyboard warrior with opinions LOL

 

[User]

11 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

But yours are opinions and you know, opinions are like A holes, everyone has one.

Proof is in the links, not up your rectum LOL

When you get published and have credibility, let us know but, till then, you are an anonymous keyboard warrior with opinions LOL

 

Who are you trying to convince here? Why are you wasting your time?

You have already established you don't understand or care to understand how a forum like this works. 

 

12 minutes ago, herbie said:

Women can already get ultrasounds whenever they want. What in the world would someone want to get an ultrasound for if they'd decided to abort?

Or is this just another manly fascist suggestion to force them to get one first?

I figured you wouldn't honestly answer the question. 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Yes,  Self defence is acceptable.

So killing is okay, as long as you approve of it.

 

[User]

Just now, Perspektiv said:

So killing is okay, as long as you approve of it.

 

So, you think all killing is OK for any reason, because any standards are hypocrisy... 

Seriously, your comments on this are beyond dumb. 

 

[Guest]

15 hours ago, User said:

Would you support programs providing ultrasounds of babies before they are aborted so women can see their unborn child before aborting them?

Sure, we should have videos from start to finish of how your KFC chicken ended up on your plate when at the restaurant. 

Thats not even logical, as you're dismissing how difficult a decision abortion is for many.

14 hours ago, User said:

So, you think all killing is OK

Nope, abortion prior to 24 weeks.

Edited August 14, 2024 by Perspektiv

[User]

5 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Sure, we should have videos from start to finish of how your KFC chicken ended up on your plate when at the restaurant. 

Thats not even logical, as you're dismissing how difficult a decision abortion is for many.

Are you a vegan now opposed to killing animals for food? 

The point we were getting at here were methods to prevent unwanted pregnancy so as to avoid abortions. Well, educating women on what is actually inside of them also reduces abortions. 

Are you guys really such a death cult that you don't want women to have information that might lead them to not get an abortion?

8 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Nope, abortion prior to 24 weeks.

That is the only killing you think is OK? Like, if someone is going to rape your wife or daughter, you are just going to stand there and watch?

 

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Look, I was responding to one posters comments.

As I have said many many times, I got no skin in the game, playing devils advocate and could care less if they all kill each other.

I did not write the articles or make the statements. They are people far more knowledgeable and on site that make them.

Trying to convince me of something or to your thinking is a waste of time. Take it up with the authors

Thats a cop out....you've made statements on this very topic dozens of times, and all of them denouncing Israel and making the palestinian people out to be the victim.

No you did not write them, but your using them to make a point. which means you read them, understand them and agree with their statement ,to back up your narrative. 

Not trying to convince you of anything, just pointing out your facts don't add up. 

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, User said:

Are you a vegan now opposed to killing animals for food? 

I would not hesitate to shoot a cow in the head, if it were lawful, to make a hamburger.

Animals dying lawfully for my food, is something I can sleep at night easily over. 

I even witnessed the slaughter of many, and still find them succulent. So I pass your moral test.

34 minutes ago, User said:

The point we were getting at here were methods to prevent unwanted pregnancy so as to avoid abortions. Well, educating women on what is actually inside of them also reduces abortions. 

Issue is, that the most vulnerable communities don't have access to much of this education, so will need abortion rights.

35 minutes ago, User said:

Are you guys really such a death cult that you don't want women to have information that might lead them to not get an abortion?

Of course am all about this. 

But you need to understand the communities you are looking at, where such information is just not culturally talked about. Financially, is lacking, and many of these women at times have no other choice.

Look at Africa. High HIV cases in several countries there. Easy solution is to use condoms, right. One issue. The culture. 

You're making it sound like road work, to fix these issues.

37 minutes ago, User said:

That is the only killing you think is OK? Like, if someone is going to rape your wife or daughter, you are just going to stand there and watch?

I wouldn't kill. I would slowly torture and stitch the wounds and make it last as long as possible. Murder is merciful, eventually. I would want them to beg me with their entire soul, before even considering dismemberment, and murder.

There would be no mercy in such settings. 

Wrong? Absolitely. There is nothing right about it.

But the eventually body that would be cubed and in my freezer wouldn't have much of a say by then. My conscience would be at ease.

Women who abort, aren't torturing the babies, so have nothing to be ashamed of, regardless of the judgment you pass onto them.

[User]

1 minute ago, Perspektiv said:

So I pass your moral test.

It was no test, just no idea why you brought it up. 

1 minute ago, Perspektiv said:

Issue is, that the most vulnerable communities don't have access to much of this education, so will need abortion rights.

Hence the question about supporting funding for this education to show them the ultrasound.

49 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

You're making it sound like road work, to fix these issues.

No, I never said this would fix anything. I said accurately that it would certainly reduce abortions. 

Isn't that a good thing?

50 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

I wouldn't kill...

OK great, so you do understand the concept of both supporting abortions only under certain contexts and killing for self defense being OK.

 

 

[Guest]

9 hours ago, User said:

Hence the question about supporting funding for this education to show them the ultrasound.

Educate them that abortions are wrong?

Thats not really education, but rather pushing ideology onto people. Your opinion, essentially.

Otherwise I fail to understand why they need to see it, vs the doctor, to ensure procedural safety if required.

You seem to want to go back to the before christ era, in terms of regulations.

We have rights and advanced medical care. Also, we don't have crucifixion for your religious beliefs.

I kind of prefer our Era. Quite confident most women would too.

9 hours ago, User said:

No, I never said this would fix anything. I said accurately that it would certainly reduce abortions. 

Abortions aren't a crisis.

I think reduction of sexually transmitted diseases and HIV would and should be given a higher priority than to appease religious zealots, who are still stuck in the roman era.

Reducing abortions being your goal, is you looking at things backwards.

9 hours ago, User said:

OK great, so you do understand the concept of both supporting abortions only under certain contexts

Abortions should be legal, regardless of the reason as long as done within lawful time frames. 

There should be no judgement whatsoever in a woman choosing such a procedure.

I know a woman in the Philippines who got one, as she was in a serious relationship with a man. Got pregnant, and he rapidly ditched her, admitting he was married to another woman all along.

The sheer level of shame she would face going back to her family with this, culturally would have her disowned to remove the shame they would then have to navigate.

Abortion is illegal in the Philippines, so you would be happy.

One issue. She was desperate to clear her name, and knew the putting of this baby she couldn't afford to care for in the overwhelmed orphanages in her country, wasn't an option either.

So she went to a quack doctor, to get the procedure done illegally and very dangerously.

Putting more barriers doesn't dramatically reduce abortions if the education levels are the same. It just makes people far more desperate and willing to take greater risks to get the procedure done.

You could judge such a woman all you wish, but she felt immense guilt for doing this, something she would have to live with.

Mistakes happen. Kids don't ask to be born. There should be an option beyond the morning after pill, as it took her weeks to mull this over tortured by the decision. 

Again, you're making it seem like women just effortlessly suck these babies out.

Its an insanely painful decision to make. Women need support, doors. Not barriers and shaming, like you're proposing.

Your way of thinking works in Afghanistan. 

Mercifully, has no place in Canada.

My wife can wear a miniskirt and wear her hair in a ponytail, without risking public stoning. 

I kind of like things that way.

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, User said:

Who are you trying to convince here? Why are you wasting your time?

You have already established you don't understand or care to understand how a forum like this works. 

 

I figured you wouldn't honestly answer the question. 

 

I do not try to convince anyone.

I do not care what you or others thunk or what your opinions are.

You ask, I provide articles etc and all you have is your personal rectal plucks...as expected.

I am not there, I have nioskin in the game and when you ask, I provide links and articles. Nothing dishonest about that.

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Sure, we should have videos from start to finish of how your KFC chicken ended up on your plate when at the restaurant. 

Thats not even logical, as you're dismissing how difficult a decision abortion is for many.

Nope, abortion prior to 24 weeks.

Your posts are full of what protrudes from one.

Uhhh?? My post and comment was to User, not you.

I agreed with your stance on abortion??

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Thats a cop out....you've made statements on this very topic dozens of times, and all of them denouncing Israel and making the palestinian people out to be the victim.

No you did not write them, but your using them to make a point. which means you read them, understand them and agree with their statement ,to back up your narrative. 

Not trying to convince you of anything, just pointing out your facts don't add up. 

Yup and they all ended with I do not care what goes on in the middle east, wipe them all out.

My point to others is to wind them up and watch reactions.

But bottom line is, I do not care. I have no facts except the links I post. they are written by someone else, not me. Don't like those "facts", take it up with e author, not me

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Uhhh?? My post and comment was to User, not you.

I agreed with your stance on abortion??

I unfortunately quoted the wrong person. I was directing the post to User. Consider it corrected.

I promise I don't smoke crack before posting. Anymore. 

[User]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I do not try to convince anyone.

I do not care what you or others thunk or what your opinions are.

You ask, I provide articles etc and all you have is your personal rectal plucks...as expected.

I am not there, I have nioskin in the game and when you ask, I provide links and articles. Nothing dishonest about that.

Yet here you are trying to convince me... 

Yet here you are caring...

You are putting skin in the game right now... 

 

[Gaétan]

Everyone is in favor of free choice, but you can't have the free choice to do anything, and by the beginning of conception it's too late. We have to ask ourselves why women are in favour of abortion when they are provided with compassion hormones? Isn't it because of the money, the cost of raising children, the profits of what the pharmaceutical industry brings to abortions that corrupt the media and put in the heads of women and politiciens that abortion is nothing.

[User]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Educate them that abortions are wrong?

No, I said show them an ultrasound image of what they are about to abort. 

They will naturally decide on their own that maybe it is wrong to kill that little baby inside of them when they see it. 

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

You seem to want to go back to the before christ era, in terms of regulations.

We have rights and advanced medical care. Also, we don't have crucifixion for your religious beliefs.

You must have forgotten who you are talking to. I make zero religious arguments for my positions here. I will certainly defend what my religion says on things if it is butchered, but nothing I have said regarding showing women an ultrasound of their baby before they kill it is a religious based argument. 

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Abortions aren't a crisis.

You never answer this question, but why do you draw the line at 24 weeks?

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Abortions should be legal, regardless of the reason as long as done within lawful time frames. 

Great, lets make those "lawful timeframes" that they can choose BEFORE they get pregnant to have a kid or not and only after if it is to save their own life or because of some rare medical disorder where the child is already dead and has to be removed.

Those would be "lawful time frames!"

Perfect. Right?

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

There should be no judgement whatsoever in a woman choosing such a procedure.

You have no judgment for women who choose to have the procedure after 24 weeks? If not, why is that even a thing for you then?

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Mistakes happen. Kids don't ask to be born. There should be an option beyond the morning after pill, as it took her weeks to mull this over tortured by the decision. 

Hey, mistakes happen, there should be options for mothers to kill their 5 year olds... 

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Again, you're making it seem like women just effortlessly suck these babies out.

That is exactly what you support. You want no judgement. You want women to be able to go in, any reason, any time, before 24 weeks and kill their unborn children. 

Hell, you don't even want to show them a picture on an ultrasound first. 

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

My wife can wear a miniskirt and wear her hair in a ponytail, without risking public stoning. 

Speaking of your wife... before 24 weeks, did she think your kids growing inside of here were just clumps of cells? How about you?

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, User said:

Yet here you are trying to convince me... 

Yet here you are caring...

You are putting skin in the game right now... 

 

Convince you of what???

You think what you want...you are totally unimportant and not worth convincing of anything.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, User said:

No, I said show them an ultrasound image of what they are about to abort. 

So guilt trip them, into keeping the baby.

AKA manipulation or ignoring her rights and "gently" "guiding" her to the "correct" decision. 

You have essentially made it long winded, but long story short, you believe in showing women their decision is wrong, to "allow" them to correct it.

Thats probably the most toxic level of freedom I have seen.

That's like the Taliban under international pressure regarding women's rights abuses (that were almost immediate post US handover) having leaders state they treat women kindly. Plus, have never heard any complaints. 

If you don't see the humor in the last sentence (in terms of being laughably ridiculous), you are precisely what womens rights need to avoid.

3 hours ago, User said:

You must have forgotten who you are talking to.

Someone who wishes to repress women's rights.

3 hours ago, User said:

You never answer this question, but why do you draw the line at 24 weeks?

Am confused as to what your end game is, so would best to make it clear. 

3 hours ago, User said:

Perfect. Right?

Not really. If a woman does get pregnant and is adamant on termination, you're siding with letting her figure things out on her own, regarding termination if its made illegal. This can have deadly consequences for her.

3 hours ago, User said:

You have no judgment for women who choose to have the procedure after 24 weeks?

In Canada? Cite please, along with exceptions where this is legally viable.

3 hours ago, User said:

Hey, mistakes happen

You sort of correct your term papers prior to handing them in.

Having medical standards that factor in best time frames to terminate a pregnancy are there and I fail to see what is wrong with that, if based on sound medical data.

3 hours ago, User said:

You want no judgement. 

You could judge women getting abortions all you want. 

I draw the line socially, to those pushing religious rhetoric in chiseling such rights away with her.

3 hours ago, User said:

You want women to be able to go in, any reason, any time, before 24 weeks and kill their unborn children. 

As long as she meets legal requirements, I don't understand the issue.

3 hours ago, User said:

Hell, you don't even want to show them a picture on an ultrasound first.

It should be compulsory. Forcing it, is pushing your narrative onto these women. If she doesn't ask for it, isn't required to see it, I don't see how being punished for her lawful right to do something is anything but counterproductive. 

3 hours ago, User said:

Speaking of your wife... before 24 weeks, did she think your kids growing inside of here were just clumps of cells?

I don't think most women getting abortions make any illusions to themselves about what they are doing.

They are removing a child growing inside of them.

Best to do so, prior to attachment, and safest timing for the woman and least complications for all involved.

Edited August 14, 2024 by Perspektiv