Killing of pre-born babies is murder and our governments support it

[User]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

It doesn’t reduce abortions.  

Of course it would reduce abortions. 

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

Save fetuses. 

So... nothing then?

[TreeBeard]

21 minutes ago, User said:

Of course it would reduce abortions. 

It doesn’t.  

As shown in many studies.   I will post them, but only if you promise to read them and not judge them because you happen to believe in conspiracies about the groups who authored them.  (WHO for example).  

 

Edited Monday at 08:37 PM by TreeBeard

[User]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

It doesn’t.  

It certainly would. When you take away the easy access to abortions from having a clinic on any old street corner where folks can casually go in to kill their babies, you won't see 1,000,000 abortions every year anymore, nowhere close to that... or wherever you live. 
 

2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

As shown in many studies.   I will post them, but only if you promise to read them and not judge them because you happen to believe in conspiracies about the groups who authored them.  (WHO for example).  

You can't even be bothered to answer a simple question about what happens when a pregnant woman changes her mind or respond directly to the points I make regarding how vascectomies are not 100% effective and they are far less effective when reversed, even less so the longer you go with one, or the absurdity of imposing that upon all boys.

So, you don't get to lecture me on promising to read anything. 

[TreeBeard]

Just now, User said:

It certainly would

It doesn’t.  Places that ban abortions have more abortions.  There is no relationship between banning abortions and the number that occurs.  If you really cared about fetuses, you’d support policies that work. 
 

Mandatory vasectomies removes sperm from the equation.  Boom.  No unwanted pregnancies, no abortions.  
 

You won’t answer what is more important….  bodily autonomy or unborn baby’s lives?  Once you answer that, we can continue the discussion.  Until then, you’re an enabler of murder.  

[User]

10 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

It doesn’t.  Places that ban abortions have more abortions.  There is no relationship between banning abortions and the number that occurs.  If you really cared about fetuses, you’d support policies that work. 

This defies all logic and reason. Where are all these more abortions going to take place at?

You can see that in places in America after Roe V Wade was overturned, and states still had harsh restrictions in place, births went up. Texas fertility rate went up for the first time since 2014. 

That doesn't even take into account how many people still drove to another state to get an abortion there instead. 

So no, places that ban abortions do not have more abortions. 

13 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Mandatory vasectomies removes sperm from the equation.  Boom.  No unwanted pregnancies, no abortions.  

Once again, if you care to honestly engage:

You can't even be bothered to answer a simple question about what happens when a pregnant woman changes her mind or respond directly to the points I make regarding how vascectomies are not 100% effective and they are far less effective when reversed, even less so the longer you go with one, or the absurdity of imposing that upon all boys.

13 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You won’t answer what is more important….  bodily autonomy or unborn baby’s lives?  Once you answer that, we can continue the discussion.  Until then, you’re an enabler of murder.  

That is a stupid, vague, false dilemma.