Is it Time For Biden's Handlers to End the Ukraine War? Israel War?

[WestCanMan]

Trump is still projected to win the 2024 election. Can the dems afford to let him end another war that either continued unabated or was started under Obama/Biden? The optics are already terrible for them. 

Russia has been a Viking menace under Obama and Biden, but when Trump was POTUS they were kittens. They even worked together, sorta, to defeat islamic state. 

Islamic state was 100% Obama's fault, and Trump had to clean up after him.

The Afghan war was showing no signs of ending under Obama, Trump negotiated an end to that war, and the Taliban didn't snipe any US soldiers during the last 18 months of his presidency.

Even the domestic rioting in the US was halted under Trump, after Obama let it rage on unchecked for his final 3.5 years. 

If Trump becomes POTUS and ends the Ukraine and Israel wars it will just be a PR nightmare for the Dems. Even their staunchest cultist dolts will have to admit that Trump is a peacemaker and that the Dems' weakness and stupidity is a global disaster.

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump is still projected to win the 2024 election. Can the dems afford to let him end another war that either continued unabated or was started under Obama/Biden? The optics are already terrible for them. 

Russia has been a Viking menace under Obama and Biden, but when Trump was POTUS they were kittens. They even worked together, sorta, to defeat islamic state. 

Islamic state was 100% Obama's fault, and Trump had to clean up after him.

The Afghan war was showing no signs of ending under Obama, Trump negotiated an end to that war, and the Taliban didn't snipe any US soldiers during the last 18 months of his presidency.

Even the domestic rioting in the US was halted under Trump, after Obama let it rage on unchecked for his final 3.5 years. 

If Trump becomes POTUS and ends the Ukraine and Israel wars it will just be a PR nightmare for the Dems. Even their staunchest cultist dolts will have to admit that Trump is a peacemaker and that the Dems' weakness and stupidity is a global disaster.

You can always end any war by SURRENDERING to AGGRESSORS.

But the downside is, you've INCENTIVISED FUTURE WARS. Duh

[WestCanMan]

58 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You can always end any war by SURRENDERING to AGGRESSORS.

Crimea just called. They concur.

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But the downside is, you've INCENTIVISED FUTURE WARS. Duh

You won't believe who just called again...

 

Honestly, I just gotta know, do you even understand how what you just wrote applies to Obama? I'm guessing you'll plead ignorance... 

And what do you expect to eventually happen in SE Ukraine? Do you foresee a future where that region ceases to be under Russian control? If so, how do you achieve that? 

[robosmith]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Crimea just called. They concur.

You won't believe who just called again...

 

Honestly, I just gotta know, do you even understand how what you just wrote applies to Obama? I'm guessing you'll plead ignorance... 

And what do you expect to eventually happen in SE Ukraine? Do you foresee a future where that region ceases to be under Russian control? If so, how do you achieve that? 

No one asked for US troops in Ukraine. I expect that if they are able, Ukrainians will push the Russian troops out.

Which certainly will NOT happen if Trump denies US military aid like he is planning if he gets elected.

The decision to fight are in Ukrainian hands and the ability for them to fight are in the hands of NATO members.

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

You can always end any war by SURRENDERING to AGGRESSORS.

But the downside is, you've INCENTIVISED FUTURE WARS. Duh

You mean like when you negotiate with terrorists that kidnap your people that visit your country?

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump is still projected to win the 2024 election. Can the dems afford to let him end another war that either continued unabated or was started under Obama/Biden? The optics are already terrible for them. 

Russia has been a Viking menace under Obama and Biden, but when Trump was POTUS they were kittens. They even worked together, sorta, to defeat islamic state. 

Islamic state was 100% Obama's fault, and Trump had to clean up after him.

The Afghan war was showing no signs of ending under Obama, Trump negotiated an end to that war, and the Taliban didn't snipe any US soldiers during the last 18 months of his presidency.

Even the domestic rioting in the US was halted under Trump, after Obama let it rage on unchecked for his final 3.5 years. 

If Trump becomes POTUS and ends the Ukraine and Israel wars it will just be a PR nightmare for the Dems. Even their staunchest cultist dolts will have to admit that Trump is a peacemaker and that the Dems' weakness and stupidity is a global disaster.

Harris is making some gains. But she should. She's getting 24/7 support from the left wing media and the INB (I'm Not Biden) bump.

The change wasn't really about winning the Presidency. The change was about mitigating the losses in the house and senate. With Joe, they had a real no show problem. With Kamala, they will still lose voters to RFK and Trump, but the RFK voters might vote for D's down ballot. That's the play here.

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Harris is making some gains. But she should. She's getting 24/7 support from the left wing media and the INB (I'm Not Biden) bump.

They were gonna call it the "I'm not a useless gaffe machine" bump, but it turns out she's just as bad as Joe in that regard, and the first alternative, "I don't wear a diaper", didn't poll well. 

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The change wasn't really about winning the Presidency.

They don't really have to win, they just have to get the polls close enough so that their 3 AM truckloads of mail-in ballots don't look so conspicuous.

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The change was about mitigating the losses in the house and senate.

Honestly, the incumbent members of the house and senate are easy pickin's.

All of those people had insider knowledge of how far gone Biden was and they all went along with the charade until he fell on his face at the debate. 

That's no small thing, and it can't be forgiven as 'being a good teammate'. The presidency of the US was and still is completely compromised with that shambling fool in the WH. 

[herbie]

POTUS is the True God with the means, the ability and moral authority to just snap his fingers and end disputes between people on the other side of the world whether those people want to or not.

DonOld says so, so his sheeple must support him. All hail the great one.

[WestCanMan]

45 minutes ago, herbie said:

POTUS is the True God with the means, the ability and moral authority to just snap his fingers and end disputes between people on the other side of the world whether those people want to or not.

DonOld says so, so his sheeple must support him. All hail the great one.

POTUS is the leader of the free world.

He needs to be able to walk up stairs, ride a bike, and speak English. 

The fact of the matter is that when Trump was the leader of the free world, the free world was flourishing.

When Biden became the leader of the free world, everything spiralled downwards. Literally everything. Inflation is sky high, interest rates and energy costs are way up. The cost of food is way up. In the US illegal immigration is up. Homelessness and drug addiction is also way worse. 

The "Hastings corridor" in Vancouver used to be one street for a few blocks, with a moderate amount of people on it. Now it's blocks wide, far longer, and it's jam-packed. If you look out the side windows you wanna cry. It's such a sad waste of human lives and fruitful years it's disgusting. People in the prime years of their lives are a shambling wreck. The deaths stats are just the tip of the iceberg. People are living like zombies for months and years and then they're hopeless wrecks just waiting for death. 

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4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

 

The change wasn't really about winning the Presidency. The change was about mitigating the losses in the house and senate. With Joe, they had a real no show problem. With Kamala, they will still lose voters to RFK and Trump, but the RFK voters might vote for D's down ballot. That's the play here.

If anything, RFK Jr is going to steal votes away from Trump, considering his positions align more closely to the Republican Party.

[gatomontes99]

40 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

If anything, RFK Jr is going to steal votes away from Trump, considering his positions align more closely to the Republican Party.

No...not even close. He's for reparations, cutting the military budget, late term abortion, legalize Marijuana, taxing the rich, etc.

The one thing he said that we agree with is that the vaccine shouldn't have been mandated.

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1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

No...not even close. He's for reparations, cutting the military budget, late term abortion, legalize Marijuana, taxing the rich, etc.

The one thing he said that we agree with is that the vaccine shouldn't have been mandated.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/rfk-jr-candidacy-hurts-trump-biden-nbc-news-poll-finds-rcna148536

 

"The big reason is that the poll finds a greater share of Trump voters in the head-to-head matchup backing Kennedy in the expanded ballot. Fifteen percent of respondents who picked Trump the first time pick Kennedy in the five-way ballot, compared with 7% of those who initially picked Biden."

 

 

Edited August 4, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Crimea just called. They concur.

You won't believe who just called again...

 

Honestly, I just gotta know, do you even understand how what you just wrote applies to Obama? I'm guessing you'll plead ignorance... 

And what do you expect to eventually happen in SE Ukraine? Do you foresee a future where that region ceases to be under Russian control? If so, how do you achieve that? 

Good luck trying to explain that to him.

Back to the subject on hand I really don't see how there's enough time to end either war. Maybe if he was a strong leader and had a strong grasp on his house And what was happening around him maybe. But even then it would be tight

. My suspicion is that he will give a huge aid package again to zalensky and then what Kamala use it to say trump is pro russian when he complains, and as far as isael goes he'll claim he gave them a good  talking to and hes' waiting to see if they smarten up and do the right thing (without saying that that is). 

"i called them up ,... and I  said...  Hey man!  Hey!! Man? Man? Hey. Hey man.  And i  really feel they got that message. 

He can't afford to offend either side so it'll be something stupid like that. 

[gatomontes99]

7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/rfk-jr-candidacy-hurts-trump-biden-nbc-news-poll-finds-rcna148536

 

"The big reason is that the poll finds a greater share of Trump voters in the head-to-head matchup backing Kennedy in the expanded ballot. Fifteen percent of respondents who picked Trump the first time pick Kennedy in the five-way ballot, compared with 7% of those who initially picked Biden."

 

 

I wouldn't believe that poll. The Harris/Trump polls show a 1% drop for Trump, and I don't buy that either. I don't buy it because Trump is the one supporting Kennedy's run and democrats keep b1tching about it.

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, robosmith said:

I expect that if they are able, Ukrainians will push the Russian troops out.

Right. And they're definitely not able. So now what? Just keep throwing lives away along that new border? Just keep burning American money like it's going out of style? (which it kind of is now that it's no longer the petro dollar, thanks to Biden)

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Which certainly will NOT happen if Trump denies US military aid like he is planning if he gets elected.

It's time for that war to end. It's time for that people in that region to start having lives again. It's time for that region to start producing food again. 

If someone could make the case that Ukraine is gaining some ground back I'd see some reason for that war to continue, but it's just been a meat-grinder for two+ years now. 

Is there some great reason why you think that people should just keep dying there? NOTHING is being achieved. Nothing. 

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The decision to fight are in Ukrainian hands and the ability for them to fight are in the hands of NATO members.

F*ck Ukraine. I wouldn't give them the steam off my sh1t.

Edited August 4, 2024 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Good luck trying to explain that to him.

I can't even believe he figured out how to use the space bar. He's somewhat of an overachiever.

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Back to the subject on hand I really don't see how there's enough time to end either war.

Honestly, I think that Biden's handlers could end that war during their next coffee break if they wanted to.

Biden doesn't have to openly admit that the US has stopped funding Ukraine, he can just tell Zelensky behind closed doors: "End the war. Just say that you're tired of all the death and destruction, and call it a win that you stopped big bad Russia where you did. If you do that we will give you enough weapons to defend yourselves where you are. If you wanna keep fighting, you'll get jack sh1t from us, and good luck when the flow of US military aid ends." Zelenski will poop his pants, pout, and put an end to the war at that point. At no point will he ever write a memoire about how Biden and the US caused that war and then pulled the plug on Ukraine, because the US will be no kinder to him than the Russians would be. Plutonium porridge would be a kindness for Zelenski if he speaks up. 

I think that the Israelis are gonna take their sweet time, and they won't be influenced by Biden, or his handlers, to stop their war. If anything, they're motivated to stay at war until Trump comes in because they probably think that he will be more supportive (as do I).

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5 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

 I don't buy it because Trump is the one supporting Kennedy's run and democrats keep b1tching about it.

  Trump wanted RFK Jr to endorse him. Trump would not be attempting this, if he thought RFK Jr was hurting the democrats.  

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Right. And they're definitely not able. So now what? Just keep throwing lives away along that new border? Just keep burning American money like it's going out of style? (which it kind of is now that it's no longer the petro dollar, thanks to Biden)

It's time for that war to end. It's time for that people in that region to start having lives again. It's time for that region to start producing food again. 

If someone could make the case that Ukraine is gaining some ground back I'd see some reason for that war to continue, but it's just been a meat-grinder for two+ years now. 

Is there some great reason why you think that people should just keep dying there? NOTHING is being achieved. Nothing. 

 

So you want Ukraine to surrender?

[gatomontes99]

5 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

  Trump wanted RFK Jr to endorse him. Trump would not be attempting this, if he thought RFK Jr was hurting the democrats.  

 

So why is the DNC spending so much money to eliminate Kennedy? And why wouldn't they give him a security detail?

Polls show Kennedy taking votes from both candidates at more or less the same rate. Despite his deliberations with Trump, Kennedy plans to continue his campaign. “I have a lot of respect for President Trump for reaching out to me," Kennedy told the Post. "Nobody from the DNC, high or low, has ever reached out to me in 18 months. Instead, they have allocated millions to try to disrupt my campaign."

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

  Trump wanted RFK Jr to endorse him. Trump would not be attempting this, if he thought RFK Jr was hurting the democrats.  

 

Sure he would.  It makes trump look more moderate and brings protest votes.  It absolutely would benefit him BECAUSE he's hurting the dems.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

 

So why is the DNC spending so much money to eliminate Kennedy? And why wouldn't they give him a security detail?

Polls show Kennedy taking votes from both candidates at more or less the same rate. Despite his deliberations with Trump, Kennedy plans to continue his campaign. “I have a lot of respect for President Trump for reaching out to me," Kennedy told the Post. "Nobody from the DNC, high or low, has ever reached out to me in 18 months. Instead, they have allocated millions to try to disrupt my campaign."

It's obvious that Kennedy  is hurting the dems.  He is absorbing a lot of protest votes and they feel that if he were to vanish those protest votes might come home or at least some of them would.

If he were to endorse trump then it's reasonable that a fair number of those votes could very well transfer to trump in protest. Vote trump, teach the democrats a lesson.

Now if you think this is impossible I would refer you to the last federal election in Canada where amazingly enough a very sizable percentage of the green vote defected to the people's party of all things. They are polar opposites on the political spectrum, but the green voters were furious over the Meltdown of the green party and they liked the people's parties stance on vaccine injections. The people's party went up in popularity and a full percentage and a half of that increase or green voters temporarily supporting them.

Trump would be hoping for a similar phenomenon where disenfranchised democrat supporters would be willing to teach the democrats a lesson. And that has a very high percentage chance of success. The ones that didn't come over would likely stay home and not vote so no matter what it would be a major net benefit for trump

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

  Trump wanted RFK Jr to endorse him. Trump would not be attempting this, if he thought RFK Jr was hurting the democrats.  

So you want Ukraine to surrender?

No one "surrenders". 

They'll negotiate a peace settlement, file a grievance at the UN disputing Russia's sovereignty over that land, try for sanctions and whatnot, and they'll say that "Preventing mighty Russia from taking over their much smaller country was a massive victory for proud Ukrainian fighters", they'll give out some medals, and cities will stop being destroyed/people will stop dying.

The Dems and Republicans alike can accuse each other of things that they did or didn't do, and talk about how strong they were against Russia, and life will go on.

I think my plan is better than what's currently going on. It's a f'ing joke that the Ukraine war is still going on.

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 It absolutely would benefit him BECAUSE he's hurting the dems.

I dunno. I think Demi voters are going to do exactly what CNN tells them to do. 

Kennedy could lay out a rock-solid plan for world peace, feeding the hungry, curing cancer, housing the homeless, and it wouldn't make a difference because CNN will just 'debunk it' and keep it out of the news.

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40 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No one "surrenders". 

They'll negotiate a peace settlement, file a grievance at the UN disputing Russia's sovereignty over that land, try for sanctions and whatnot, and they'll say that "Preventing mighty Russia from taking over their much smaller country was a massive victory for proud Ukrainian fighters", they'll give out some medals, and cities will stop being destroyed/people will stop dying.

You actually believe this? It''s almost certain Russia will exact revenge on the Ukrainian population. It''s one of the reasons Ukraine has been fighting so hard against Russia, knowing that if they surrender, the Russians will commit atrocities against the Ukrainians in Russian occupied Ukraine.

And yes, it is the equivalent of a surrender. 

40 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The Dems and Republicans alike can accuse each other of things that they did or didn't do, and talk about how strong they were against Russia, and life will go on.

I think my plan is better than what's currently going on. It's a f'ing joke that the Ukraine war is still going on.

If you think your plan is better than what is going on, you obviously have not studied the history of the region. Ukrainians have been victimised by the Russians for centuries. There is nothing good that can come out of a Ukrainian surrender.

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45 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

Kennedy could lay out a rock-solid plan for world peace, feeding the hungry, curing cancer, housing the homeless, and it wouldn't make a difference because CNN will just 'debunk it' and keep it out of the news.

Kennedy's own family and relatives have pretty much disowned him, and came out with a public statement indicating RFK Jr does not speak for any of the Kennedy family. Kennedy is a loon, and the reason he switched to Independent, from being a Democrat, is nobody supported him. 

At any rate, recent polls indicate that RFK support is dwindling, and may be at 5% now, so he is pretty much irrelevant. 

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59 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's obvious that Kennedy  is hurting the dems.  He is absorbing a lot of protest votes and they feel that if he were to vanish those protest votes might come home or at least some of them would.

If he were to endorse trump then it's reasonable that a fair number of those votes could very well transfer to trump in protest. Vote trump, teach the democrats a lesson.

Now if you think this is impossible I would refer you to the last federal election in Canada where amazingly enough a very sizable percentage of the green vote defected to the people's party of all things. They are polar opposites on the political spectrum, but the green voters were furious over the Meltdown of the green party and they liked the people's parties stance on vaccine injections. The people's party went up in popularity and a full percentage and a half of that increase or green voters temporarily supporting them.

Trump would be hoping for a similar phenomenon where disenfranchised democrat supporters would be willing to teach the democrats a lesson. And that has a very high percentage chance of success. The ones that didn't come over would likely stay home and not vote so no matter what it would be a major net benefit for trump

Trump reaching out to Kennedy for an endorsement, and try to lure him to drop his campaign and work with Trump, indicates that Trump thinks RFK is taking away votes from him. If the Republicans thought that RFK was hurting the Democratic Party, it would be in Trump''s best interest not to try and negotiate with RFK.

Trump attempted to prop up Kanye Weat last election, since it was assumed Kanye would steal some of the Black vote. Historically, Black Americans vote for the Democratic Party.