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53 minutes ago, herbie said:

You have 4 charging stations in Fredericton. Now, today, already. And most likely on on the outside of your house

Unless you paid big bucks for an install you don't have a cat 2 charger on the outside of your house. Which means you are very very limited in how much you can charge. 

And there are tens if not thousands of condo owners in bc who don't even have an electrical outlet by their parking stall

Dude the sales and responses of the public show the score. EV's don't work for the majority of people, and you're pretending that there's no difference between them and an ice is dumb.

When the tech is there, it will be different. It's not there yet.

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20 hours ago, taxme said:

As i said already? Car manufacturers and car dealerships are trying to get rid of their fleets of EV vehicles because nobody wants to buy them anymore. They may sell the odd EV here and there, but the novelty of buying an EV is over. You already told me that? LOL.

Wrong.

Ford is cutting back on its E trucks. No one want a EV truck, certainly not contractors or farmers. LOL

There are waiting lists at dealers for EV and PHEV vehicles.

"What's the wait time for an electric vehicle? The wait for an electric vehicle (EV) can range from a few months to 2 years, or even 3 years for some models."

And not even talking about the rest of the world.  Your small  little world is not realistic. LOL

Suck it up, you are misinformed, misguided and/or ignorant of the EV and PHEV facts.

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On 8/8/2024 at 5:01 AM, ExFlyer said:

Because at this time the driving I do does not suit EVs.

Get facts and not just your normal rectal plucks.

"EV batteries are designed to power a vehicle for 10 to 20 years without repair or replacement. Battery replacements in the first 10 years are rare outside of large, publicized recalls. The likelihood that a battery needs to be replaced varies by manufacturer, battery technology, vehicle usage, and charging behavior." https://www.recurrentauto.com/questions/how-often-do-you-need-to-replace-an-ev-battery

"By the time today's EVs will need a replacement battery pack, it's likely the manufacturing and material costs will be far less than they are today. We're not saying that replacing your EV's lithium-ion battery pack a decade from now will be cheap, but we wager doing so will be much more affordable than it is today." https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a31875141/electric-car-battery-life/

Just because I did not buy an EV this time certainly does not mean I won't for my next vehicle purchase. Nothing hypocritical at all, just got what I need at this time.

You certainly are a narrow minded uneducated Luddite  LOL

Look, you two bricks short a load, you are the one that thinks EV's are great, so why did you not buy one. Your excuse that at this time EV's do not suit your driving is all bull chit. It is the price and the cost of repairs down the road that owning an EV scared you off. If you think that EV's are the cars of the future, then buy one, hypocrite cement head.

An EV will cost someone around $60.000 or more and when one goes to trade in their EV, they will probably get about $25,000 as a trade in, if they are lucky, and they will be lucky that some dealerships will even take it back for a big price loss. The dealership knows that no one will want to buy an old EV. It will be off to the scrap yard, cement head. 

As i have said already, which you did not bother to reply to, is that i cannot imagine what our streets will look like with hundreds of millions of EV charging units standing around waiting for someone who owns an EV and has to park on the street to use those chargers. Any comment on that, cement head? 😁

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, taxme said:

Look, you two bricks short a load, you are the one that thinks EV's are great, so why did you not buy one. Your excuse that at this time EV's do not suit your driving is all bull chit. It is the price and the cost of repairs down the road that owning an EV scared you off. If you think that EV's are the cars of the future, then buy one, hypocrite cement head.

An EV will cost someone around $60.000 or more and when one goes to trade in their EV, they will probably get about $25,000 as a trade in, if they are lucky, and they will be lucky that some dealerships will even take it back for a big price loss. The dealership knows that no one will want to buy an old EV. It will be off to the scrap yard, cement head. 

As i have said already, which you did not bother to reply to, is that i cannot imagine what our streets will look like with hundreds of millions of EV charging units standing around waiting for someone who owns an EV and has to park on the street to use those chargers. Any comment on that, cement head? 😁

 

Never once said EVs are great. Making a lot up to suit your narrative again LOL

I also told you that my driving needs do not suit an EV at this time. Like it or not, thati s my reason. Again, your reading comprehension needs assistance LOL

The cost of vehicles is high. Anyone can spend way more than $60K for a vehicle anytime so your argument is moot. Every manufacturer has vehicles over $60K and trucks, well ICE trucks can easily be over 120K. Wake up dude (or dudette) LOL

"Streets will look like with hundreds of millions of EV charging units standing around " is some kind of weird dream you are having LOL We all have electrical outlets in our homes and they will be used.

My only comment to you is wake up and smell reality and see the future. But hey, stay behind and use your Model T LOL

Oh and resorting to insults and calling me names is a clear indication you have lost your argument and point LOL.  That is one thing you are very good at...losing :)

 

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7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Wrong.

Ford is cutting back on its E trucks. No one want a RV truck, certainly not contractors or farmers. LOL

There are waiting lists at dealers for EV and PHEV vehicles.

"What's the wait time for an electric vehicle? The wait for an electric vehicle (EV) can range from a few months to 2 years, or even 3 years for some models."

And not even talking about the rest of the world.  Your small  little world is not realistic. LOL

Suck it up, you are misinformed, misguided and/or ignorant of the EV and PHEV facts.

Why are buyers waiting for a new EV when the car manufacturers have tens of thousands of EV's just sitting in their car lots waiting to be sold? I have heard that EV's are piling up in their storage yards because no one is buying them. 

Sure, anyone who does not agree with leftist liberal EV nonsense has to be somehow being misguided and has to be ignorant. FY, you ignorant leftist liberal arse hole.  🤣

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23 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Never once said EVs are great. Making a lot up to suit your narrative again LOL

I also told you that my driving needs do not suit an EV at this time. Like it or not, thati s my reason. Again, your reading comprehension needs assistance LOL

The cost of vehicles is high. Anyone can spend way more than $60K for a vehicle anything so your argument is moot. Every manufacturer has vehicles over $60K and trucks, well ICE trucks can easily be over 120K. Wake up dude (or dudette) LOL

"Streets will look like with hundreds of millions of EV charging units standing around " is some kind of weird dream you are having LOL We all have electrical outlets in our homes and they will be used.

My only comment to you is wake up and smell reality and see the future. But hey, stay behind and use your Model T LOL

Oh and resorting to insults and calling me names is a clear indication you have lost your argument and point LOL.  That is one thing you are very good at...losing :)

 

You must believe that EV's are great? You keep pointing that out to me all the time that EV's are the cars of the future. 

So, what does all your driving entail that you refused to buy an EV at this time? Just asking. 

At elast those ICE vehicles do not have to worry about having to look around for an EV charging station. There are mor egas stations around where i o not have to worry about running out of gas. I can even go in the bush with a couple of cans of gas and not worry about being stuck without fuel. Can an EV carry a can of electricity around by chance? 

Not everybody has a home to be able to charge their EV's up at. Millions of cars have to sit on the streets with no charging units available, stunned. What can you not comprehend from that, stunned? Your Marxist globalist way of thinking is what i fear the most. 

You really are a stunned buffoon, aren't you? You pretty much have insulted me many times in your replies, stunned. Maybe it is you that keeps losing the arguments with me.? Think about it, loser? 🤡 

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48 minutes ago, taxme said:

Why are buyers waiting for a new EV when the car manufacturers have tens of thousands of EV's just sitting in their car lots waiting to be sold? I have heard that EV's are piling up in their storage yards because no one is buying them. 

Sure, anyone who does not agree with leftist liberal EV nonsense has to be somehow being misguided and has to be ignorant. FY, you ignorant leftist liberal arse hole.  🤣

BS. Prove it. You cannot. IOshowed you links about the waiting lists LOL

You don't have to agree with me or the evidence, it just demonstrates your ignorance.

Oh...there ya are again...name calling...must be losing again LOL

 

35 minutes ago, taxme said:

You must believe that EV's are great? You keep pointing that out to me all the time that EV's are the cars of the future. 

So, what does all your driving entail that you refused to buy an EV at this time? Just asking. 

At elast those ICE vehicles do not have to worry about having to look around for an EV charging station. There are mor egas stations around where i o not have to worry about running out of gas. I can even go in the bush with a couple of cans of gas and not worry about being stuck without fuel. Can an EV carry a can of electricity around by chance? 

Not everybody has a home to be able to charge their EV's up at. Millions of cars have to sit on the streets with no charging units available, stunned. What can you not comprehend from that, stunned? Your Marxist globalist way of thinking is what i fear the most. 

You really are a stunned buffoon, aren't you? You pretty much have insulted me many times in your replies, stunned. Maybe it is you that keeps losing the arguments with me.? Think about it, loser? 🤡 

Where did I say EV's are great?? Show me...you are lying again. The one thing you are good at LOL

The future is what it is. Like it or not.

Yup, there are more gas stations than charging stations...who is arguing that? Not me. There are more electrical outlets than gas stations LOL

You only need a 120 volt outlet to charge the EV. It will be slow but it works :)

I have never insulted you. I have called out your ignorance but in the sense that you are unaware, not as an insult. I see you have difficulty with word meanings :)

Me a loser? I think not, You a loser, well, sounds like you are. :)

Here is some more light reading to assist you in clearing up your EV ignorance:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-05/-it-s-done-the-future-is-battery-powered-electric-cars

https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/articles/the-future-of-four-wheels-is-all-electric

https://www.progressive.com/lifelanes/on-the-road/future-of-electric-cars/

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g29994375/future-electric-cars-trucks/

 

 

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16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Unless you paid big bucks for an install you don't have a cat 2 charger on the outside of your house. Which means you are very very limited in how much you can charge. 

AGAIN with repeating the same tired, outdated objections.
You're making dinner, watching TV and sleeping for 12 hours so who gives a F*ck? Unless you're charging a totally dead Tesla to 100%,you'll have a couple hundred kms to use in the morning. Like FFS if you gotta drive 200km to work and back every day you need to think about moving, not buying an EV.

Use you goddam head FFS

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On 8/9/2024 at 12:39 PM, ExFlyer said:

BS. Prove it. You cannot. IOshowed you links about the waiting lists LOL

You don't have to agree with me or the evidence, it just demonstrates your ignorance.

Oh...there ya are again...name calling...must be losing again LOL

 

Where did I say EV's are great?? Show me...you are lying again. The one thing you are good at LOL

The future is what it is. Like it or not.

Yup, there are more gas stations than charging stations...who is arguing that? Not me.

You only need a 120 volt outlet to charge the EV. It will be slow but it works :)

I have never insulted you. I have called out your ignorance but in the sense that you are unaware, not as an insult. I see you have difficulty with word meanings :)

Me a loser? I think not, You a loser, well, sounds like you are. :)

Here is some more light reading to assist you in clearing up your EV ignorance:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-05/-it-s-done-the-future-is-battery-powered-electric-cars

https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/articles/the-future-of-four-wheels-is-all-electric

https://www.progressive.com/lifelanes/on-the-road/future-of-electric-cars/

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g29994375/future-electric-cars-trucks/

 

 

I get most of my EV news from websites like YouTube where there have been many stories about why people should not be buying EV's and the problems created when owning one. I have saw many stories on YouTube that say that car manufacturers are loaded with EV's on their lots that they cannot sell. You want to call that story a lie? Prove that one to me? I kinda doubt very much that once someone gets rid of their EV, they will want to go back and buy another EV. I may try to talk to a few EV owners to see if they would go back to buying another EV.  

Okay, puss n boots, i will not call you an arse hole anymore. I never said that you said that EV's were great. Go back and show me as to where i said that verbatim? 

You said: "There are more electrical outlets than gas stations" Wow, you smart. 🤣

You never answered my question as to where the millions of EV's, that have to sit on all of the thousands of streets in Canada over night, with no way of charging up those EV's over night, never mind in the country side to do? ? Where i live, I would not be able to charge up my EV overnight. It has to sit on the street. What do I do then?

I cannot see millions of EV charging units on every street in Canada. Can you? What a sore looking site that would turn out to be. Owning an EV may be okay if you have access to an electrical outlet. Many EV owners do not. They have to go looking for an EV charger somewhere and spend lots of value time sitting there waiting for the charging unit to charge them up. On YouTube i have watched at least 6 cars parked behind one another waiting for their turn to charge up their vehicle. Really handy-dandy, eh? 

Well, you just appear to me to be a loser and a brainwashed EV fool. Just saying. 

All those websites are no doubt globalist websites in trying to make people believe that EV's are the future, which they are not. You did not buy an EV because you already knew that EV's are a pain in the ass and a pos. Just my opinion. Live with it. 

The ignorant one here is you, mac. 😛

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On 8/14/2024 at 2:57 PM, taxme said:

I get most of my EV news from websites like YouTube where there have been many stories about why people should not be buying EV's and the problems created when owning one. I have saw many stories on YouTube that say that car manufacturers are loaded with EV's on their lots that they cannot sell. You want to call that story a lie? Prove that one to me? I kinda doubt very much that once someone gets rid of their EV, they will want to go back and buy another EV. I may try to talk to a few EV owners to see if they would go back to buying another EV.  

Okay, puss n boots, i will not call you an arse hole anymore. I never said that you said that EV's were great. Go back and show me as to where i said that verbatim? 

You said: "There are more electrical outlets than gas stations" Wow, you smart. 🤣

You never answered my question as to where the millions of EV's, that have to sit on all of the thousands of streets in Canada over night, with no way of charging up those EV's over night, never mind in the country side to do? ? Where i live, I would not be able to charge up my EV overnight. It has to sit on the street. What do I do then?

I cannot see millions of EV charging units on every street in Canada. Can you? What a sore looking site that would turn out to be. Owning an EV may be okay if you have access to an electrical outlet. Many EV owners do not. They have to go looking for an EV charger somewhere and spend lots of value time sitting there waiting for the charging unit to charge them up. On YouTube i have watched at least 6 cars parked behind one another waiting for their turn to charge up their vehicle. Really handy-dandy, eh? 

Well, you just appear to me to be a loser and a brainwashed EV fool. Just saying. 

All those websites are no doubt globalist websites in trying to make people believe that EV's are the future, which they are not. You did not buy an EV because you already knew that EV's are a pain in the ass and a pos. Just my opinion. Live with it. 

The ignorant one here is you, mac. 😛

Here is some facts.

The Best selling car in the world for 2023 was the EV Tesla Model Y

https://www.statista.com/statistics/239229/most-sold-car-models-worldwide/

https://www.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/73341/tesla-model-y-was-the-world-s-best-selling-vehicle-in-2023/

 

So, it seems to me that "The ignorant one here is you, " LOL

You clearly are one of the most narrow minded posters on this issue on this forum. You really have no idea LOL

You need to get out of your neighbourhood to see what is really going on. Social media is not a news source, it is full of BS that folks like you seem to suck up and believe it is real news ,LOL

 

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On 8/9/2024 at 4:52 AM, ExFlyer said:

Wrong.

Ford is cutting back on its E trucks. No one want a EV truck, certainly not contractors or farmers. LOL

There are waiting lists at dealers for EV and PHEV vehicles.

"What's the wait time for an electric vehicle? The wait for an electric vehicle (EV) can range from a few months to 2 years, or even 3 years for some models."

And not even talking about the rest of the world.  Your small  little world is not realistic. LOL

Suck it up, you are misinformed, misguided and/or ignorant of the EV and PHEV facts.

Your little EV world is collapsing. Live with it, stunned. 🤣

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3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Here is some facts.

The Best selling car in the world for 2023 was the EV Tesla Model Y

https://www.statista.com/statistics/239229/most-sold-car-models-worldwide/

https://www.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/73341/tesla-model-y-was-the-world-s-best-selling-vehicle-in-2023/

 

So, it seems to me that "The ignorant one here is you, " LOL

You clearly are one of the most narrow minded posters on this issue on this forum. You really have no idea LOL

You need to get out of your neighbourhood to see what is really going on. Social media is not a news source, it is full of BS that folks like you seem to suck up and believe it is real news ,LOL

 

Fact. The best selling cars in the world are ICE vehicles. Live with it, stunned. 

WTF are you talking about? I get out of my neighborhood every day, stunned. 😁

So, have you checked YouTube lately. It's all there trying to make stunned fools like you get the facts right. Not everything on social media is BS. From what i keep getting from you here is that you are the ignorant one that keeps spreading BS. 

Fact. You did not buy an EV because you know that it is a POS. 👎

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49 minutes ago, taxme said:

Fact. The best selling cars in the world are ICE vehicles. Live with it, stunned. 

WTF are you talking about? I get out of my neighborhood every day, stunned. 😁

So, have you checked YouTube lately. It's all there trying to make stunned fools like you get the facts right. Not everything on social media is BS. From what i keep getting from you here is that you are the ignorant one that keeps spreading BS. 

Fact. You did not buy an EV because you know that it is a POS. 👎

Man, even when reality slaps you in the face, you do not see it. LOL

Here are the facts again:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/239229/most-sold-car-models-worldwide/

https://www.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/73341/tesla-model-y-was-the-world-s-best-selling-vehicle-in-2023/
 

You are far and away the dumbest person on this forum.

I did not buy one because for my driving habits  right now, it is not for me but, I can assure you that my next car, in about 2 years will be an EV or at least a PHEV. But I do not need to explain my purchase to you LOL

What a loser LOL You are just too dumb to see reality. LOL

 

Slap... Slap... some more reality slapping you in the face....facts ....to bad you cannot understand what a fact is LOL

"The Tesla Model Y was the best-selling vehicle in the world in 2023, moving ahead of the Toyota RAV4 thanks to prices that keep going down, according to preliminary figures posted by Jato Dynamics on Thursday. "    https://www.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/73341/tesla-model-y-was-the-world-s-best-selling-vehicle-in-2023/

"As anticipated in JATO's preliminary 2023 results, released in February, the Tesla Model Y made history last year. The midsize SUV secured top position in the global ranking as the first ever pure electric vehicle to lead the global market." 

https://www.jato.com/resources/media-and-press-releases/tesla-model-y-worlds-best-selling-car-2023

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On 8/17/2024 at 12:18 PM, ExFlyer said:

Man, even when reality slaps you in the face, you do not see it. LOL

Here are the facts again:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/239229/most-sold-car-models-worldwide/

https://www.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/73341/tesla-model-y-was-the-world-s-best-selling-vehicle-in-2023/
 

You are far and away the dumbest person on this forum.

I did not buy one because for my driving habits  right now, it is not for me but, I can assure you that my next car, in about 2 years will be an EV or at least a PHEV. But I do not need to explain my purchase to you LOL

What a loser LOL You are just too dumb to see reality. LOL

 

Slap... Slap... some more reality slapping you in the face....facts ....to bad you cannot understand what a fact is LOL

"The Tesla Model Y was the best-selling vehicle in the world in 2023, moving ahead of the Toyota RAV4 thanks to prices that keep going down, according to preliminary figures posted by Jato Dynamics on Thursday. "    https://www.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/73341/tesla-model-y-was-the-world-s-best-selling-vehicle-in-2023/

"As anticipated in JATO's preliminary 2023 results, released in February, the Tesla Model Y made history last year. The midsize SUV secured top position in the global ranking as the first ever pure electric vehicle to lead the global market." 

https://www.jato.com/resources/media-and-press-releases/tesla-model-y-worlds-best-selling-car-2023

You are beginning to look like a real nut job with all of your EV bs nonsense. Don't you have anything else to talk about? 

You already know that EV's are a pain in the arse and so are you. Take your EV bs and shove it up your keister meister. 🤣

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31 minutes ago, taxme said:

You are beginning to look like a real nut job with all of your EV bs nonsense. Don't you have anything else to talk about? 

You already know that EV's are a pain in the arse and so are you. Take your EV bs and shove it up your keister meister. 🤣

 

Yup, you have lost because all you got left is insults LOL

I am only responding to you so, if you don't want to talk albut it, then stop posting to me LOL

Lastly, you have been given enough evidence and proof but if you wish to drive down your own back road, go for it LOL

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7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 

Yup, you have lost because all you got left is insults LOL

I am only responding to you so, if you don't want to talk albut it, then stop posting to me LOL

Lastly, you have been given enough evidence and proof but if you wish to drive down your own back road, go for it LOL

Oh phuk off, will you. Good enough for you? No need to reply. 🤣

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13 hours ago, taxme said:

Oh phuk off, will you. Good enough for you? No need to reply. 🤣

There ya go... no proof, no evidence, no proper discussion for your contentions left in you so just a "phuk off". LOL

Ya lost , get over yourself LOL

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On 8/21/2024 at 4:58 AM, ExFlyer said:

There ya go... no proof, no evidence, no proper discussion for your contentions left in you so just a "phuk off". LOL

Ya lost , get over yourself LOL

Your proof or evidence is just as good as my proof and evidence. Live with it, 🤡. We have had our not so great discussions and it has gone nowhere. And besides, you still have not replied to the question that i asked of you several times to comment on.

What is your reply about the millions of EV chargers that will be required to charge up all those EV's that have to sit on the streets? Try and imagine what all the streets in Canada, and in America also, will look like when there are millions upon millions of those EV chargers taking up all the land needed to install those EV chargers, not to forget the hundreds of thousands that will probably be needed in bush country. The demand on electricity needed will be astronomical. 

It is impossible to lose to a loser like you. I will repeat myself once again. Phuk off. You need to get over yourself, 🤡. Chuckle-chuckle. 

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10 minutes ago, taxme said:

Look bimbo. your proof or evidence is just as good as my proof and evidence. 

I will repeat once again. Phuk off. 

Ha HA Ha ...you have no proof and the facts slapping you in the face only gives you blurred visoiion Ha Ha Ha

Oh Boo Hoo, feel better by telling me to phuk off??

Being Creative. “Ask for a slap in the ...

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3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Ha HA Ha ...you have no proof and the facts slapping you in the face only gives you blurred visoiion Ha Ha Ha

Oh Boo Hoo, feel better by telling me to phuk off??

Being Creative. “Ask for a slap in the ...

Still refusing to answer my question that i have asked of you, again eh? What the phuk are you waiting for, 🤡 face. Do you need another few more days before you reply? Just what are you afraid of? I guess that question really did slap you in your clown face where you seem to appear to be quite stunned from that question and you are indeed stuck for an answer, clown face. I always feel better when i tell you to phuk off. It makes my day, punk. Ha-ha-ha-ha. 

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2 hours ago, taxme said:

Still refusing to answer my question that i have asked of you, again eh? What the phuk are you waiting for, 🤡 face. Do you need another few more days before you reply? Just what are you afraid of? I guess that question really did slap you in your clown face where you seem to appear to be quite stunned from that question and you are indeed stuck for an answer, clown face. I always feel better when i tell you to phuk off. It makes my day, punk. Ha-ha-ha-ha. 

So long ago. What was the phukin question? LOL

Your posts have been so full fo sh*t the question went away. So, what the phuk are you trying to find out?

What was the phukin question?

slap slap slap

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3 hours ago, taxme said:

Your proof or evidence is just as good as my proof and evidence. Live with it, 🤡. We have had our not so great discussions and it has gone nowhere. And besides, you still have not replied to the question that i asked of you several times to comment on.

What is your reply about the millions of EV chargers that will be required to charge up all those EV's that have to sit on the streets? Try and imagine what all the streets in Canada, and in America also, will look like when there are millions upon millions of those EV chargers taking up all the land needed to install those EV chargers, not to forget the hundreds of thousands that will probably be needed in bush country. The demand on electricity needed will be astronomical. 

It is impossible to lose to a loser like you. I will repeat myself once again. Phuk off. You need to get over yourself, 🤡. Chuckle-chuckle. 

Yup, they will be needed.

It seems it is not impossible to lose because you do iit regularly.

And there ya go, another phuk from  a loser continuing to lose LOL

 

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This whole EV market is happening because of the global shift to "the big lie".   Now, people are pretty consistent at doing this - or there wouldn't be religion, wars, etc.  but with globalization of markets it has brought geo-political elements into our market place that would simply not be there without some huge outside force.  EVs exist largely because EU and China don't have oil and governments around the world have thrown trillions in subsidies into the pot with some strange misconception that each of their marketplaces can eke out a share in what these two super markets have dictated.

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11 minutes ago, cannuck said:

This whole EV market is happening because of the global shift to "the big lie".   Now, people are pretty consistent at doing this - or there wouldn't be religion, wars, etc.  but with globalization of markets it has brought geo-political elements into our market place that would simply not be there without some huge outside force.  EVs exist largely because EU and China don't have oil and governments around the world have thrown trillions in subsidies into the pot with some strange misconception that each of their marketplaces can eke out a share in what these two super markets have dictated.

Whatever you think the reason is, the fact is, EV sales world wide are up and rising every year.

The truth does not require participation to exist. Bullshit does.

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