Canada should deport immigrants that illegally occupy, intimidate, and spout anti-Semitism

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, eyeball said:

Of course it is. That's why we do it to cops.

In fact, lots of cops hate going thru their careers being so mistrusted. They like the way cameras and microphones dispel mistrust 

Except those cameras are only turned on for interactions with the public. And since we'd be talking about backroom/office discussions with the pols they just wouldn't turn the cameras on. Who'd know?

[eyeball]

54 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Except those cameras are only turned on for interactions with the public. And since we'd be talking about backroom/office discussions with the pols they just wouldn't turn the cameras on. Who'd know?

Everyone if there was no record of the discussion.

Who would you vote for, the politician with a full record of all their meetings or the ones who always seemed to have something to hide?

I suspect you'd prefer the latter myself. You don't seem to think transparency is very important and maybe even detrimental.

A good number of people seem to think corruption is the grease that makes things work.

[I am Groot]

37 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Everyone if there was no record of the discussion.

How do you know there even WAS a discussion?

 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

How do you know there even WAS a discussion?

 

The lobbyist registry - see the Lobbying Act.

Lobbyists are supposed to register and state the purpose of the the lobbying.

For example, SNC Lavalin said something to the effect that they wanted to discuss criminal matters impacting public policy not get Judy Wilson Raybould off their back.

[I am Groot]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

The lobbyist registry - see the Lobbying Act.

Lobbyists are supposed to register and state the purpose of the the lobbying.

For example, SNC Lavalin said something to the effect that they wanted to discuss criminal matters impacting public policy not get Judy Wilson Raybould off their back.

And how many people never go on that registry? And if doing something nefarious, do you not think they work through cutouts? Do you think some bigshot corporatist or foreign head of state goes to see Trump to offer money in exchange for something? Of course not. Some underling goes to see his son or daughter, or someone like Steve Bannon to pass the word on quietly. And none of these people will be wearing your cameras. They will then refer it to Trump in a private meeting on the golf course, or at Mar a Lago or in some limosine.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

And how many people never go on that registry? And if doing something nefarious, do you not think they work through cutouts? Do you think some bigshot corporatist or foreign head of state goes to see Trump to offer money in exchange for something? Of course not. Some underling goes to see his son or daughter, or someone like Steve Bannon to pass the word on quietly. And none of these people will be wearing your cameras. They will then refer it to Trump in a private meeting on the golf course, or at Mar a Lago or in some limosine.

Ok, so why not just embrace the horror instead of whining about it?

[Army Guy]

On 7/27/2024 at 2:17 AM, eyeball said:

Universal human rights come to mind and they've probably taken that long to evolve.  Something more in the now and evidently emerging is our global consciousness due to greater individual and collective awareness of things happening on a global level. How events around the other side of the world can have nearly immediate effects on this side. It really started taking off with TV, communication, air travel and space exploration decades ago and nowadays we have this so-called overview effect experienced by astronauts.

And of course we never had this perspective on ourselves 2000 years ago.

 

I'm sure Michael will have something to say about how mass media has changed human societies. The message is the medium and all that.

How we use computers is changing how people think and can result in physical changes in people brains, which are getting bigger btw, by some 15% in the last century. It's not just our nature that's evolving.

But to be sure not all changes are necessarily 'good' thankfully evolution usually leaves the bad ones behind. lts like reality itself has a progressive bias baked-in to it.

Universal human rights , Thats some funny shi*....i could name dozens of countries that don't have basic human rights...so scratch that theory. there may be human rights in some nations but is it universal no way...

YOU may have all these thoughts you have posted here in Canada , but it is not a global idea...think they have these ideas in say North Korea, Afghanistan, Somalia...etc...

Yes we are evolving , we are finding better ways to kill each other why is it the world spends more money on war, than it does say health care, finding cures for cancer, old age, ....why is it only take one simple act of removing law and order for us to quickly revert back to animals...

Reality right now says there is over 120 conflicts around the globe today, were one side is bent on killing or destroying the other...thats reality...thinking we have grown into to this all seeing more progressive humans is still a radical idea..that we are not ready for...many next thousand years perhaps...Your a dreamer Eyeball, i'd like to be a dreamer as well on day, but i seen what people are capable of doing to each other... 

 

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Ok, so why not just embrace the horror instead of whining about it?

The only solution to corrupt/dishonest politicians is an educated electorate that votes them out when they lie or engage in favouritism. Unfortunately, people today are so cynical they don't really care how much politicians lie, and figure pols directing contracts to their buddies is normal everyday operations anyway no matter who gets in. And they're not wrong.

But it has to start with the electorate. If they have low standards for politicians then you get politicians like the ones we have now.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Your a dreamer Eyeball,

Yup, thanks for noticing!

If I was like you I'd probably just stay in bed all day.

[eyeball]

33 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The only solution to corrupt/dishonest politicians is an educated electorate that votes them out when they lie or engage in favouritism.

Well, like I said I stopped voting for Canada's right wing parties nearly 50 years ago when I saw how they pandered to Canada's wealthiest. 

Like PET did with Galen Weston Sr.

 

[blackbird]

On 7/24/2024 at 10:38 AM, eyeball said:

So civilization is an artificial construct that runs counter to human nature?

I am not sure what your point is.  It sounds a little confusing.

Have you ever read parts of the Bible or learned that human nature is fallen and corrupt?  

Would you believe that if anyone told you that is what the Bible teaches?

It makes sense when we look at what is going on in the world, right?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Well, like I said I stopped voting for Canada's right wing parties nearly 50 years ago when I saw how they pandered to Canada's wealthiest. 

Like PET did with Galen Weston Sr.

 

Guess that means you vote for the left wing parties which is an evil ideology.  You think it is evil for someone to somehow work hard and earn wealth?  Do you somehow seem to covet what other people have and think it's your right to have what they have?  Isn't that Communist ideology?

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The only solution to corrupt/dishonest politicians is an informed electorate that votes them out when they lie or engage in favouritism.

FIFY.

I wonder if the word informed even crossed your mind. The word educated just doesn't accurately capture what's really missing in our governance.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

I am not sure what your point is.  It sounds a little confusing

That's not my fault. Try reading the thread again. Maybe it'll come to you.

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Have you ever read parts of the Bible or learned that human nature is fallen and corrupt? 

Why? I can see that just reading these threads.

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Would you believe that if anyone told you that is what the Bible teaches?

Especially if it came from a right wing conservative, it's patently obvious they're who wrote the bible.

The part about Jesus kicking over banksters tables and being executed for it is the only part that made any sense.

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

It makes sense when we look at what is going on in the world, right?

To you maybe. The reasons I think the world is such a mess is the respectability that's afforded dictatorships, economic inequality and climate change.

The first two are effectively flip sides of the same coin and climate change is just one more thing.

Edited July 29, 2024 by eyeball

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Why? I can see that just reading these threads.

Have you or do you read any books?  Any history books or world affairs books?

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

To you maybe. The reasons I think the world is such a mess is the respectability that's afforded dictatorships, economic inequality and climate change.

Do you believe in a one world government or system?

When you say economic inequality, do you believe government should take wealth from the rich and give it to the poor?  

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Have you or do you read any books?  Any history books or world affairs books?

Yup. And it's obvious that the past that's behind me isn't as important as what's coming at me.

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Do you believe in a one world government or system?

Makes sense to me when I look at the world this way.

 

[eyeball]

22 minutes ago, blackbird said:

When you say economic inequality, do you believe government should take wealth from the rich and give it to the poor? 

Not as much as I think the government should stop tilting the economy so much towards the rich.

In lieu of that, then yes we should tax the goddamn snot out of them.

And if there's anything useful that  history has to teach us, it's that when economic inequality gets really bad war is the most common consequence.

It's in our nature. And what would Jesus do? Give the banksters the shit kicking they deserve apparently.

Edited July 29, 2024 by eyeball

[blackbird]

55 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Not as much as I think the government should stop tilting the economy so much towards the rich.

In lieu of that, then yes we should tax the goddamn snot out of them.

How is the government "tilting the economy so much towards the rich"?

So you believe in Communism or government ordered wealth redistribution.

Do you understand what you are proposing means a Communist system, which means no freedom?

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

FIFY.

I wonder if the word informed even crossed your mind. The word educated just doesn't accurately capture what's really missing in our governance.

No, yours is inadequate. People are INFORMED about DEI. But if people had been taught critical thinking skills they'd refuse to support it. People were INFORMED about all Trudeau's lies and deficiencies in the last election. They still voted for him. I'm talking about education, wherein people are taught how economies function, instructed in critical thinking skills, like not just the immediate results of a policy initiative, but the follow-on effects, given historical lessons of how policies were put in place that did not work, and why. In other words, taught at least the basics on how a country needs to be run so they can be responsible citizens and voters. 

 

[ExFlyer]

On 7/27/2024 at 3:21 PM, I am Groot said:

Except those cameras are only turned on for interactions with the public. And since we'd be talking about backroom/office discussions with the pols they just wouldn't turn the cameras on. Who'd know?

My relative, a cop, says the cameras on as soon as it is taken out of it's charger. They cannot turn them off. Then, at end of shift, go into he "charger" ,data is downloaded and stored and ready for the next cop.

\Not sure if they are all like that but the ones on his force are.

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

How is the government "tilting the economy so much towards the rich"?

Have you or do you read any books? Any history books or world affairs books?

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

My relative, a cop, says the cameras on as soon as it is taken out of it's charger. They cannot turn them off. Then, at end of shift, go into he "charger" ,data is downloaded and stored and ready for the next cop.

\Not sure if they are all like that but the ones on his force are.

So how does that work when they go to the bathroom?

[ExFlyer]

41 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

So how does that work when they go to the bathroom?

Funny LOL