25 Democrats Refuse To Accept The Results of the Primaries

[impartialobserver]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I do recall the close election between Bush and Gore(?), and the animosity there, but I don't recall there being much doubt about Obama's election victories.

The only really controversial thing that I can recall from before that was the unusual circumstances surrounding G Ford becoming president despite not ever having been on a presidential ballot as VP before that. 

TBH though, I never really paid that much attention to the election process in the USA until all of the rioting from 2014-2017. 

Gore initially refused to concede the election to Bush. They did a recount of the Florida results and after a recount, Bush was found to have won by a few hundred votes. Not quite as over the top as Trump's refusal but it laid the groundwork. 

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/al-gore-donald-trump-results-230062

[impartialobserver]

I was on the now defunct Amazon politics forum right after the 2016 election. The liberals started up on voting day with the Russian collusion story. to be clear, I never did buy into it. Back to the story.. one in particular (very similar to Robosmith) was absolutely convinced. When i would press him for actual evidence (video, audio, computer code, etc).. his reply was always that, "you just know.. you do not need such explicit proof". I am not wired that way. Gut instinct does not steer my ship when it comes to buying into things like this. Have yet to see anything conclusive enough. The best one (and I wish I would have saved it ) was a headline from some newspaper about how someone may have said something. 

[CdnFox]

45 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I was on the now defunct Amazon politics forum right after the 2016 election. The liberals started up on voting day with the Russian collusion story. to be clear, I never did buy into it. Back to the story.. one in particular (very similar to Robosmith) was absolutely convinced. When i would press him for actual evidence (video, audio, computer code, etc).. his reply was always that, "you just know.. you do not need such explicit proof". I am not wired that way. Gut instinct does not steer my ship when it comes to buying into things like this. Have yet to see anything conclusive enough. The best one (and I wish I would have saved it ) was a headline from some newspaper about how someone may have said something. 

This is a chronic problem, and there's no getting away from it entirely. For the democrats it was trump isn't legitimate because of Russians. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that at all but yet for 4 years that was their narrative. And the reason for that is its hard to DIS prove. 

Then after trump's loss the narrative was the election voting was rigged.  there really is no evidence of it but again - as we've seen it's very easy to prove it COULD have happend undetected and therefore it's very hard to put the idea to bed. 

I'm almost at the point where you could say there needs to be a federal department or org that recommends and helps pass ANY laws necessary to make voter fraud hard enough to commit substantially without detection to the point where nobody can credibly claim it happened without proof, AND to immediately investigate any claims of any sort of outside interference or the like to make it very hard to claim 'collusion'. 

If the Americans can't have faith in their elections again then it's only a matter of time till their country falls apart or we see more violence and civil unrest. 

[Moonlight Graham]

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Could you provide a cite for that? I don't mind following up on it. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_election_racketeering_prosecution

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1. For the same reason I wouldn't buy stocks through Bernie Madoff: the Dems are dyed-in-the-wool election cheaters.

They were caught cheating on debate questions with CNN, they were caught cheating Bernie in the 2016 primary, they were caught conspiring with the FBI on Russian collusion, the FBI was caught lying for them about the laptop, and it was FBI members who hatched the plan to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer which they solved as an October surprise. 

2. Because, like I said, the FBI would be in charge of finding that evidence and we both know that's like asking Eric and Don Jr to investigate Donald. I'd drop dead if the FBI caught the Dems doing anything right now. Biden could drive a tank through Fort Knox and the FBI wouldn't find the hole in the wall. 

This is nothing but a guess.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

This is nothing but a guess.

Not at all.

1. Biden mumbled a bit in his basement, and did a few rallies where only 75 people came out, and theoretically he got the highest number of votes ever?

2. Also, the FBI helped out Biden with their own Whitmer kidnapping surprise,

3. plus the FBI lied about the laptop to keep it out of the news, keep it off social media, and they even got the NYPost kicked off of the internet. 

The 2020 election was as legitimate as Biden's coal mining story.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 7/6/2024 at 3:46 AM, WestCanMan said:

Not at all.

1. Biden mumbled a bit in his basement, and did a few rallies where only 75 people came out, and theoretically he got the highest number of votes ever?

2. Also, the FBI helped out Biden with their own Whitmer kidnapping surprise,

3. plus the FBI lied about the laptop to keep it out of the news, keep it off social media, and they even got the NYPost kicked off of the internet. 

The 2020 election was as legitimate as Biden's coal mining story.

This isn't any proof whatsoever, it's a conspiracy theory.  You've been conned by a conman.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 7/5/2024 at 11:37 AM, Vultar said:

There was plenty of evidence of wrongdoing in the 2020 election. However, any evidence that made it to the pubic was quickly scrubbed. I watched in real time as the records for the Michigan election from the official list site were changed after it was exposed that a number of dead people voted. 

Most of the courts dismissed cases due to made up technicalities (like standing and typos) and not for evidence which they refused to look at. 

In my opinion, the courts were simply afraid to weigh in on the matter (scared of the crazies).

The amount of cheating was massive and very multi-faceted (that way any exposed cheat would not be enough to change the results on it's own, but added together made for enough to change things greatly)

I don't take yours or anyone's word for it.   Provide evidence.

[robosmith]

On 7/3/2024 at 5:48 PM, gatomontes99 said:

Democrat response: "We are not doing the exact same thing we accuse you of that you aren't doing even though it is the exact same thing."

You don't understand the meaning of "exact same thing." LMAO

AKA FALSE EQUIVALENCE FTL.

On 7/3/2024 at 8:35 PM, WestCanMan said:

I totally agreed with you that Trump was an awful candidate in 2016. I felt like the fact that it came down to him and Hillary was a black eye on democracy. 

Trump was a very good president though.

IMO Trump is the exact opposite of Obama:

1. Trump is crass and boorish at times, egotistical, he speaks a bit too freely and carelessly - even recklessly - but he actually puts all Americans first. He's not hawkish, but the strength of the military is important to him.
2. Obama is as smooth and calculated a talker as you'll ever see, but he is inherently an evil man. The rise of BLM and the sustained rioting and racial division all stemmed from Obama's quotes and false narratives. Then when Trump was president, Obama's wife was inciting rioting and racial division. 

Only if you consider Trump to be "all Americans." Cause that's who he actually PUTS FIRST. LMAO

[robosmith]

On 7/4/2024 at 2:11 PM, gatomontes99 said:

You should vote for the guy that allegedly eats dogs and gropes baby sitters.

You'll vote for the guy who proudly proclaimed ON TAPE that he doesn't wait to commit SEXUAL ASSAULT, cause "they let you do it."

[robosmith]

On 7/5/2024 at 8:37 AM, Vultar said:

There was plenty of evidence of wrongdoing in the 2020 election. However, any evidence that made it to the pubic was quickly scrubbed. I watched in real time as the records for the Michigan election from the official list site were changed after it was exposed that a number of dead people voted. 

Most of the courts dismissed cases due to made up technicalities (like standing and typos) and not for evidence which they refused to look at. 

In my opinion, the courts were simply afraid to weigh in on the matter (scared of the crazies).

The amount of cheating was massive and very multi-faceted (that way any exposed cheat would not be enough to change the results on it's own, but added together made for enough to change things greatly)

ONLY if you watch FOS LIES. They had to pay $800M libel judgement for LYING about election cheating.

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

This isn't any proof whatsoever, it's a conspiracy theory.  You've been conned by a conman.

No, those are actual things that happened and it's just disgusting that you'd put your head in the sand when the FBI was caught engaging in election interference again. 

[Moonlight Graham]

11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

No, those are actual things that happened and it's just disgusting that you'd put your head in the sand when the FBI was caught engaging in election interference again. 

Riiiiight.  Do you think vaccines cause autism too? Lol

[impartialobserver]

The problem with conspiracy theories is that there is almost always the smallest shred of truth. Also, they can almost never be disproven. You can't disprove something that is fabricated. It is largely folks filling in the blanks. In the absence of video or audio (ray rice in the elevator) evidence, they fill in the blanks based on purely subjective probability. So you have two events but nothing definitively tying the two together.. you have to guess. The guess is based on subjectivity. 

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Riiiiight.  Do you think vaccines cause autism too? Lol

Did the FBI commit crimes and lie to the public for years about Russian collusion?

Did the FBI lie about the laptop? I don't just mean the 51 former intelligence officials either... the FBI lied to the social media giants and that's why the NYPost was banned from Twitter. 

The FBI also created the Whitmer kidnapping plot, it was their own idea and their own plan on their timeline, and the arrests just conveniently came in Octorber, right before the election.   

Apparently the FBI even investigated Tara Reade, getting subpoenas to access her social media accounts, after she came out and "proved" that Biden sexually assaulted her. I say "proved" because she only proved that by leftist standards: imo she's just an accuser, like E Jean Carroll. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

The problem with conspiracy theories is that there is almost always the smallest shred of truth. Also, they can almost never be disproven. You can't disprove something that is fabricated. It is largely folks filling in the blanks. In the absence of video or audio (ray rice in the elevator) evidence, they fill in the blanks based on purely subjective probability. So you have two events but nothing definitively tying the two together.. you have to guess. The guess is based on subjectivity. 

Meh - I guess it depends on what you mean by 'proven', dis or otherwise. 

If you hold the bar to the highest level maybe.  But if the bar of proof is 'clear and convincing" which is much more rational or even 'balance of probability', then it often is possible even for most 'conspiracy theories' to test them reasonably. 

Let's look at election fraud. We run into this in Canada all the time as well. If the candidate won by an insanely large number of votes in the various ridings, then it gets implausable to believe that there was significant voter fraud such that it would have changed the out come. 

Trump lost by 10k votes in some key areas.  So... that leaves the door open. Given the mail in ballot issue due to covid and given the faet tha ballot harvesting would have been pretty doable.  but if it had been 50,000 or more  that's starting to get to the point where it's pretty hard to imagine. 100,000 would be impossible in practical terms. 

And so on. 

Not that many still believe in the 'voter box' theory, because it's fairly implausable at this point. Not impossible but not likely.  so even tho it can't be PROVEN it's largely discredited.  

But things like ballot harvesting and the like are entirely plausable.  So they remain. 

[reason10]

On 7/3/2024 at 3:33 PM, robosmith said:

^So many logical fallacies, so little time. LMAO

"call for Biden to step aside" is NOT "don't want to honor." 

Everyone knew "the circumstances" were BULLSHIT, cause Trump LOST 60+ legal and legitimate challenges. Duh

Also general vs primary are VERY different. Need I go one? LMAO

Unelected Joe is going to lose anyway. And there are no other Democrats who can beat Trump.

America wants Trump in that office. And we are coming out to vote in FORCE.

Already Ohio has passed a photo ID requirement at polling places. So Joe has lost that state.

He's behind in a LOT of blue states.

Frankly, the DEmoNazi PRINTING PRESS may catch fire, trying to print enough fake ballots to balance the MAJORITY OF AMERICA wanting Joe out and Trump in.

[Moonlight Graham]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Did the FBI commit crimes and lie to the public for years about Russian collusion?

Did the FBI lie about the laptop? I don't just mean the 51 former intelligence officials either... the FBI lied to the social media giants and that's why the NYPost was banned from Twitter. 

The FBI also created the Whitmer kidnapping plot, it was their own idea and their own plan on their timeline, and the arrests just conveniently came in Octorber, right before the election.   

Apparently the FBI even investigated Tara Reade, getting subpoenas to access her social media accounts, after she came out and "proved" that Biden sexually assaulted her. I say "proved" because she only proved that by leftist standards: imo she's just an accuser, like E Jean Carroll. 

Do you have links to these lies?  

Even if they did lie how does that prove Biden lost in 2020?

Edited July 10, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[WestCanMan]

40 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Do you have links to these lies?  

They're not lies, and the fact that you're not up to speed on the basic facts just proves that you're nothing more than an id10t out running his mouth. 

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

They're not lies, and the fact that you're not up to speed on the basic facts just proves that you're nothing more than an id10t out running his mouth. 

I didn't call you a liar.  You said the FBI lied and I wanted links

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I didn't call you a liar.  You said the FBI lied and I wanted links

OMG, they did more than just lie buddy. They committed crimes, plural. 

The FBI were ordered to bring a list of reforms to the FISA court, just like a 6 yr old writing lines on the blackboard. 

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[Moonlight Graham]

And where is the stolen election?

[WestCanMan]

37 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

And where is the stolen election?

So are you somehow acknowledging that you are aware of the FBI's lies and crimes with that statement? 

Are you saying that you understand that the FBI was caught committing crimes, lying, and unduly influencing the election, but you need me to prove that "it amounts to stealing the election"? 

I can't say for sure that the election was stolen, because the people in the US with the most power are doing everything they can to control the election narrative and they'll never admit to any of it, but I can say for 100% certain that democracy in the US has been subverted, and the FBI are proof of that. 

When the federal police force within a nation takes a side, democracy is over. The FBI haven't officially declared themselves to be a Demi-run institution, but there's not much more that they could do to prove their loyalty right now, aside from kissing the ring on national TV.

Americans are pretending to have a democracy now, much in the same way that some couples are no longer together but keep up appearances in public for a while, but what they have is a Russian-style democracy. An American ballot is as good as a square of used toilet paper at the bottom of the vortex. 

Edited July 11, 2024 by WestCanMan