The Ten Commandments to be posted in Louisiana schools, lefties go bananas

[West]

https://apnews.com/article/louisiana-ten-commandments-displayed-classrooms-571a2447906f7bbd5a166d53db005a62?taid=66731eff5988a9000164aaff&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

Who would've thought telling people not to steal or murder would be such a controversial topic? 

Woke rainbow flags? Yes. Telling people not to mess around with another person's spouse? Nah

[Hodad]

Gross violation of the separation of church and state. This will go to SCOTUS, as they hoped when they enacted it. The lusty march to replace pluralism with theocracy continues from Republicans.

Who knows what this twisted bench will do?

Edited June 20, 2024 by Hodad

[West]

8 hours ago, Hodad said:

Gross violation of the separation of church and state. This will go to SCOTUS, as they hoped when they enacted it. The lusty march to replace pluralism with theocracy continues from Republicans.

Who knows what this twisted bench will do?

This isn't about the ten commandments. Just watch and see

[Legato]

8 hours ago, Hodad said:

Gross violation of the separation of church and state. This will go to SCOTUS, as they hoped when they enacted it. The lusty march to replace pluralism with theocracy continues from Republicans.

Who knows what this twisted bench will do?

So if the ten commandments were separated from the church would they lose their validity?

[impartialobserver]

If I lived in Louisiana.. I would simply move. No need to be outraged and protest. I would quietly get another job and move. 

[robosmith]

49 minutes ago, West said:

This isn't about the ten commandments. Just watch and see

Then you should change your thread title, which clearly says it is. Duh

42 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

If I lived in Louisiana.. I would simply move. No need to be outraged and protest. I would quietly get another job and move. 

Very few are willing or able to pay that price, nor should they have to, just to keep their Constitutional rights. 

[impartialobserver]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Then you should change your thread title, which clearly says it is. Duh

Very few are willing or able to pay that price, nor should they have to, just to keep their Constitutional rights. 

It would be effective though. Just ask the folks in MS, WY, and WV about the impacts of depopulation. 

[User]

I have mixed feelings on this one. 

The Constitutionality question is 50/50 here. There are some precedents against it in the past already... including a previous SCOTUS ruling but they were a 5/4 decision then on a questionable legal theory test that this court might flip on... 

That aside though, there are so many more important things going on that this is just a political stunt for the most part and I don't like using classrooms as political proxies like this. 

There shouldn't be any of this garbage in a public school classroom, for the same reasons why I adamantly oppose the liberals shoving their crap like the LGBTQ flags into the schools. 

Either way, all the more reason I support school choice. So much power over children in such a monopoly is wrong and ripe for abuse like this. Parents need a way out. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, West said:

This isn't about the ten commandments. Just watch and see

Dude, that's what I just said. They are pushing toward theocracy. That's what the actually want, and this is meant to be a wedge to push that agenda into more places.

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

So if the ten commandments were separated from the church would they lose their validity?

Yes. About half of them are sensible secular law. The rest are religious nonsense. 

[West]

Just now, Hodad said:

Dude, that's what I just said. They are pushing toward theocracy. That's what the actually want, and this is meant to be a wedge to push that agenda into more places.

Much like the tranny issue is a wedge issue meant to target conservatives by political ideologues. 

The bigger fish is the new woke religion being pushed in school

[gatomontes99]

Ill go moderate on this. The right answer here is to allow the Ten Commandments but not require it. That's the point of freedom of religion. The government should not be for OR AGAINST any religion.

The left is against Christianity. They want to BAN the Ten Commandments. That is wrong as well.

Just allow it to be hung, if that's the school's perogative 

Edited June 20, 2024 by gatomontes99

[West]

45 minutes ago, User said:

I have mixed feelings on this one. 

The Constitutionality question is 50/50 here. There are some precedents against it in the past already... including a previous SCOTUS ruling but they were a 5/4 decision then on a questionable legal theory test that this court might flip on... 

That aside though, there are so many more important things going on that this is just a political stunt for the most part and I don't like using classrooms as political proxies like this. 

There shouldn't be any of this garbage in a public school classroom, for the same reasons why I adamantly oppose the liberals shoving their crap like the LGBTQ flags into the schools. 

Either way, all the more reason I support school choice. So much power over children in such a monopoly is wrong and ripe for abuse like this. Parents need a way out. 

To me I don't care if the 10 commandments are up or not. Either you allow the woke mumbo jumbo in schools and the ten commandments or you don't allow either. 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

If I lived in Louisiana.. I would simply move. No need to be outraged and protest. I would quietly get another job and move. 

You shouldn't have to. The whole point of a constitutional system (as opposed to a pure democracy) is that core values are safeguarded from the whim majority. The establishment clause is there for a reason. We shouldn't roll over to extremists. 

[impartialobserver]

Just now, Hodad said:

You shouldn't have to. The whole point of a constitutional system (as opposed to a pure democracy) is that core values are safeguarded from the whim majority. The establishment clause is there for a reason. We shouldn't roll over to extremists. 

Should not have to do a lot of things.. 

[Hodad]

9 minutes ago, West said:

Much like the tranny issue is a wedge issue meant to target conservatives by political ideologues. 

The bigger fish is the new woke religion being pushed in school

Lol. Sorry, but other peoples gender transitions are not about you. They are not targeting you. Just let them live their lives.

[West]

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You shouldn't have to. The whole point of a constitutional system (as opposed to a pure democracy) is that core values are safeguarded from the whim majority. The establishment clause is there for a reason. We shouldn't roll over to extremists. 

America has been doing that since 2008. They've brought back election by skin color and wokeness has infiltrated like a cult

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

Lol. Sorry, but other peoples gender transitions are not about you. They are not targeting you. Just let them live their lives.

Okay but my kids shouldn't be subjected to this belief system in public school

Edited June 20, 2024 by West

[User]

17 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Dude, that's what I just said. They are pushing toward theocracy. That's what the actually want, and this is meant to be a wedge to push that agenda into more places.

Theocracy?

Where do you get that is what they are pushing towards and want?

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Lol. Sorry, but other peoples gender transitions are not about you. They are not targeting you. Just let them live their lives.

That isn't what you want though. You demand acceptance. 

I imagine you also support left wing states that enact laws that hide gender transitions from parents and enable teachers at those schools and the administration there to support and ait kids in their transitions without notifying parents... right? Wrong?

And yes, they are targeting our children when they push the normalization of this in schools and encourage kids to engage in gender transition. 

[Hodad]

9 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Ill go moderate on this. The right answer here is to allow the Ten Commandments but not require it. That's the point of freedom of religion. The government should not be for OR AGAINST any religion.

The left is against Christianity. They want to BAN the Ten Commandments. That is wrong as well.

Just allow it to be hung, if that's the school's perogative 

No, each teacher is not a king in their classroom. You don't go to math class to be told that Yahweh is the one true god and then turn up in history class to be told that Mohamed is the one true prophet, peace be upon him. 

Freedom of religion means freedom from religion as well. The Muslim kid should feel comfortable in math and the Christian kid should be comfortable in history. And the atheist should be comfortable everywhere. 

That's why we keep religion out of schools. Attendance is compulsory. Everyone has to go, so it should be a place where everyone can feel comfortable, rather than being singled out or excluded or targeted because of religious messages. 

[Hodad]

7 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Should not have to do a lot of things.. 

That's true. And thanks to legal protections, we don't have to roll over. We can avail ourselves of the protections available. You, personally, aren't obligated to, but if nobody does we will lose those protections. 

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Yes. About half of them are sensible secular law. The rest are religious nonsense. 

?????  Which ones of the ten commandments are religious nonsense?  Were you angry that you couldn't covet your neighbour's wife or something?

[West]

7 minutes ago, Hodad said:

No, each teacher is not a king in their classroom. You don't go to math class to be told that Yahweh is the one true god and then turn up in history class to be told that Mohamed is the one true prophet, peace be upon him. 

Freedom of religion means freedom from religion as well. The Muslim kid should feel comfortable in math and the Christian kid should be comfortable in history. And the atheist should be comfortable everywhere. 

That's why we keep religion out of schools. Attendance is compulsory. Everyone has to go, so it should be a place where everyone can feel comfortable, rather than being singled out or excluded or targeted because of religious messages. 

The Muslims and Jews both believe in the 10 commandments as well.

Seems better to tie your beliefs to something than whatever the new marketing scam is. 

Edited June 20, 2024 by West

[Hodad]

7 minutes ago, User said:

Theocracy?

Where do you get that is what they are pushing towards and want?

The indoctrination is the minor point. What they clearly want is for this to go to this twisted SCOTUS in the hope of weakening or defeating the establishment clause. Mandatory religious messages in classrooms is the gateway to mandatory religious messages and rituals elsewhere/everywhere. 

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That isn't what you want though. You demand acceptance. 

 

Yes, I "demand" you accept tolerance. You know, so other people are allowed to live, and whatnot. 🙄

[User]

12 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Freedom of religion means freedom from religion as well. The Muslim kid should feel comfortable in math and the Christian kid should be comfortable in history. And the atheist should be comfortable everywhere. 

Nope. There is no such thing. Freedom of religion means the other kids in that class get to talk about their faith, wear religious materials, slogans, etc... those who disagree or don't like it don't get to be free from it. 

Comfort is subjective. 

[CdnFox]

I don't really approve of religious symbology in schools, but then again I also don't really approve of other special interest groups symbols in schools either. How do we say that it's okay to fly the Pride flag but the ten commandments are just intolerable? I would rather see that kind of stuff on both sides kept out of schools. But if we're going to allow the one then we have to allow the other or else we're just teaching people how to hate and be divided