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On 5/22/2024 at 8:14 AM, WestCanMan said:

Here's some of the money that Hunter received from his Chinese gov't pals: https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-how-joe-biden-received-laundered-china-money/

This is how $40K went directly to Joe, but millions went to his family in general. 

You manage to find a source with even less credibility than FOS LIES: RepubliCON House.

At least FOS LIES PRETENDS to be journalism. House RepubliCONS are partisan HACKS.

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On 5/22/2024 at 8:17 AM, WestCanMan said:

Are you trying to say that only Jim Biden was in bed with the Chinese gov't? Not Hunter? 

Even if it was only Jim, would that pass your sniff test? 

Why were Bidens working directly with Chinese gov't agents?

Doesn't matter. They are private citizens. Why is Jared in a $2B bed with MBS immediately after leaving the WH?

Why don't YOU CARE about that?

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On 5/23/2024 at 10:27 AM, impartialobserver said:

It is the tribal nature of humans rearing its ugly head. Republican party is more closely aligned with Christianity and the traditional Christian values so better to support the Republican candidate than the alternative even if that candidate has some serious character flaws. 

Just because they CLAIM to be "Christians" does not make it true.

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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

 Mahatma Gandhi
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54 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Doesn't matter. They are private citizens. Why is Jared in a $2B bed with MBS immediately after leaving the WH?

Why don't YOU CARE about that?

Jared got a deal struck between the Saudis and Israel. He didn't wreck the economy...open the border...sh1t on fossil fuels...or spend way too much.

That's why.

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1 hour ago, robosmith said:

No, it is reality that poor black families live in The Bronx.

Racist

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I don't need to prove ANYTHING to counter YOUR LIES. YOU need to GROW UP.

So you're saying you have no proof of what you say. Unfortunately your opinion is useless without it I'm told :)  

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On 5/24/2024 at 3:26 PM, robosmith said:

Just because they CLAIM to be "Christians" does not make it true.

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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

 Mahatma Gandhi

My comment is not about what they should say.. It is about what they do and say regardless of how valid it is. You are the typical internet poster who when I say that a city has 100K people... that must mean I have something against that city. 

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On 5/24/2024 at 4:20 PM, Nationalist said:

Jared got a deal struck between the Saudis and Israel.

No deal has been "struck."

On 5/24/2024 at 4:20 PM, Nationalist said:

 

He didn't wreck the economy

...open the border...sh1t on fossil fuels...or spend way too much.

That's why.

Jared didn't have that level of influence. He still got a HUGE PAYOFF for government "service."

Of course, the most significant "service" was quashing the MBS US citizen journalist MURDER investigation.

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2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

My comment is not about what they should say.. It is about what they do and say regardless of how valid it is. You are the typical internet poster who when I say that a city has 100K people... that must mean I have something against that city. 

Your analogy is nonsensical.

You give specific Republicans points for your ASSUMPTION that Republicans in general are more "aligned" with Christianity.

Do you believe Trump is "aligned" with Christianity because he claims to be when it is politically convenient?

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27 minutes ago, robosmith said:

No deal has been "struck."

Jared didn't have that level of influence. He still got a HUGE PAYOFF for government "service."

Of course, the most significant "service" was quashing the MBS US citizen journalist MURDER investigation.

Lol...Gawd you're a dope...

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37 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Your analogy is nonsensical.

You give specific Republicans points for your ASSUMPTION that Republicans in general are more "aligned" with Christianity.

Do you believe Trump is "aligned" with Christianity because he claims to be when it is politically convenient?

Hmmm... when you overlay counties that vote Republican with counties that show strong religious affilation.. why is there such a strong correlation? No conspiracy theories or Hollywood-esque narratives. Lets hear some down to earth reasoning. Being from the rural west.. rural counties vote Republican and are largely strongly religious. 

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2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Hmmm... when you overlay counties that vote Republican with counties that show strong religious affilation.. why is there such a strong correlation? No conspiracy theories or Hollywood-esque narratives. Lets hear some down to earth reasoning. Being from the rural west.. rural counties vote Republican and are largely strongly religious. 

^Not the point. The point is a Party being "aligned" with Christianity, is not evidence that any specific member is a Christian.

Do you believe Trump is "aligned" with Christianity because he claims to be when it is politically convenient?

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3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Hmmm... when you overlay counties that vote Republican with counties that show strong religious affilation.. why is there such a strong correlation? No conspiracy theories or Hollywood-esque narratives. Lets hear some down to earth reasoning. Being from the rural west.. rural counties vote Republican and are largely strongly religious. 

Now you know better than most that commonality doesn't mean causality or even common causality. 

I guess we'd have to see some data to have a better idea of just how strong the correlation is but it might be just as simple as people with like minded interests tend to live in areas of people with like minded interests, and that if you did reseaerch you might also find those people tended to prefer muffins over bagels for breakfast  but i doubt that being republican or Christian would have much to do with that :)  

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28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Now you know better than most that commonality doesn't mean causality or even common causality. 

I guess we'd have to see some data to have a better idea of just how strong the correlation is but it might be just as simple as people with like minded interests tend to live in areas of people with like minded interests, and that if you did reseaerch you might also find those people tended to prefer muffins over bagels for breakfast  but i doubt that being republican or Christian would have much to do with that :)  

Well... using Current Population Survey,, the correlation was .82. That's pretty high. One does not cause the other but two things can be related and be intertwined. Most Republicans are fairly Conservative socially and most practicing devout Christians are as well. If you are Conservative and Christian and have the choice to live in Sandy, UT or San Francisco. CA.. most would opt for the former due to more like-minded individuals. 

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2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Well... using Current Population Survey,, the correlation was .82. That's pretty high. One does not cause the other but two things can be related and be intertwined. Most Republicans are fairly Conservative socially and most practicing devout Christians are as well. If you are Conservative and Christian and have the choice to live in Sandy, UT or San Francisco. CA.. most would opt for the former due to more like-minded individuals. 

I have to take your word for it. It's not quite the same in Canada. Well many religious people might tend to favor the right somewhat a lot of them don't. Our own prime minister who's about is left as you can get shy of Castro is a self-acclaimed Catholic for example, Quebecers who tend to the left are very religious. I would guess that there's a higher percent of christian based religions on the conservative side but it's no where near that much. 

But it still leaves many questions, such as are they practicing or just that's what they were raised? etc etc. 

 

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17 hours ago, robosmith said:

No deal has been "struck."

Jared didn't have that level of influence. He still got a HUGE PAYOFF for government "service."

Of course, the most significant "service" was quashing the MBS US citizen journalist MURDER investigation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords

https://www.forbes.com/sites/annakaplan/2022/05/07/saudi-arabia-reportedly-will-invest-in-israel-through-jared-kushners-fund/?sh=22b9ebe570dd

You really are a fembot little m0ron.

 

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On 5/19/2024 at 10:35 PM, robosmith said:

Nor is anyone who supports him.

"If you don't vote for me, you ain't black!"

On 5/19/2024 at 10:35 PM, robosmith said:

Not CLOSE to Trump's league.

You either smoke crack or you don't. You can't boast your crack was mostly weed and bought legally. Its still crack, and you're still smoking it.

Biden is still a shady, lying politician even though he is far superior at the PR part of his job.

 

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14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I have to take your word for it. It's not quite the same in Canada. Well many religious people might tend to favor the right somewhat a lot of them don't. Our own prime minister who's about is left as you can get shy of Castro is a self-acclaimed Catholic for example, Quebecers who tend to the left are very religious. I would guess that there's a higher percent of christian based religions on the conservative side but it's no where near that much. 

But it still leaves many questions, such as are they practicing or just that's what they were raised? etc etc. 

 

So then if we agree that the practicing or devoutly religious in the USA are more likely to vote Republican.. then by default, they will vote for Trump. The straight ticket voting of most Americans keeps them from taking personal flaws into account. Their candidate is Republican but he was caught driving drunk 3 times in the last year... ok, so be it but it sure beats the alternative of voting Democrat. 

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1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

So then if we agree that the practicing or devoutly religious in the USA are more likely to vote Republican.. then by default, they will vote for Trump. The straight ticket voting of most Americans keeps them from taking personal flaws into account. Their candidate is Republican but he was caught driving drunk 3 times in the last year... ok, so be it but it sure beats the alternative of voting Democrat. 

And?

Religion has nothing to do with it. We all choose what weighs more heavily on our needs for a leader. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

So then if we agree that the practicing or devoutly religious in the USA are more likely to vote Republican.. then by default, they will vote for Trump. The straight ticket voting of most Americans keeps them from taking personal flaws into account. Their candidate is Republican but he was caught driving drunk 3 times in the last year... ok, so be it but it sure beats the alternative of voting Democrat. 

I'd say that you're stretching things a little there, i think you could say that those who are religious will TEND to be republican and republicans are LIKELY to vote for the republican candidate, if they vote at all.  

However i think in general it's pretty common to ignore the flaws in the politician when it comes to voting. I'm trying to remember past us candidates or presidents who had NO 'questionable' attributes. Regan MAYBE? but even then his mental health was a bit of a question mark. 

For sure the current trend towards tribalism causes many to overlook the deficiencies of a candidate to give excuses to why they're not considering "The other side". And that's not unique to America.

I think regardless of their religious affiliations or anything else people have come to look at politics in the same way they look at sports, and they tend to root for what they perceive to be their home team. Not everyone, but many.

Elections are one or lost based on the reaction of that mushy middle that could go one way or another.

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12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'd say that you're stretching things a little there, i think you could say that those who are religious will TEND to be republican and republicans are LIKELY to vote for the republican candidate, if they vote at all.  

exactly.. so if the Republican candidate has flaws which Trump has many.. they will overlook them or not acknowledge them. Democrats do the same. I have a difficult time with blind obedience. I love my current state of residence but if a politician, sports team, etc. in Nevada has flaws, I take them into account. No voting for the home team because they randomly come from the same state. 

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41 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

exactly.. so if the Republican candidate has flaws which Trump has many.. they will overlook them or not acknowledge them. Democrats do the same. I have a difficult time with blind obedience. I love my current state of residence but if a politician, sports team, etc. in Nevada has flaws, I take them into account. No voting for the home team because they randomly come from the same state. 

Ahhh.  So you're saying you're a witch.  BURN HIM!! BUUUUUURN THE WITCH!!!!! 

-90 percent of voters (probably)

Well that's the healthy (if not popular) way to look at things. 

 

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