Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker bashes Pride Month, tells women to stay in the kitchen

[impartialobserver]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I can't find any reference to that story on the web anywhere. 

I think someone was just messing with you bud    

Go to facebook and look up America's Last line of defense. Yes, it is satire but look at the comments.. plenty of folks think it is legit .

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Go to facebook and look up America's Last line of defense. Yes, it is satire but look at the comments.. plenty of folks think it is legit .

There is no doubt in my mind that no matter how stupid the idea there will be a handful of people on the internet who will aggressively defend it is true  It is the nature of the internet.

But that does not for a moment suggest that it is widely believed or that it is anything other than a small group. Normally if it was something that was actually being taken seriously you would expect to find numerous other references in a web search. You get about a trillion if you search for pizza and children and trafficking for example and that was stupid  

 

[impartialobserver]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There is no doubt in my mind that no matter how stupid the idea there will be a handful of people on the internet who will aggressively defend it is true  It is the nature of the internet.

But that does not for a moment suggest that it is widely believed or that it is anything other than a small group. Normally if it was something that was actually being taken seriously you would expect to find numerous other references in a web search. You get about a trillion if you search for pizza and children and trafficking for example and that was stupid  

 

To myself, it simply confirms for the 4,589th time that folks want affirmation not information. I find that most stories boil down to simple human nature and are not nearly as grand/amazing as they are made out to be. 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

To myself, it simply confirms for the 4,589th time that folks want affirmation not information. I find that most stories boil down to simple human nature and are not nearly as grand/amazing as they are made out to be. 

I don't think you can tar and feather " all folks" just because a tiny handful of people believe a dumb story.

I think we can both agree that confirmation bias is a real thing but that doesn't mean that people don't want to know the truth or aren't willing to learn about it.

As two stories being grand or not grand it is entirely subjective. In this case, clearly the left had an agenda where they did not want to see someone saying that being a mother and a homemaker is a valid choice that should be encouraged. So the story became a huge deal. As I think I mentioned if it had been a story of how he suggested that being a doctor could be very fulfilling and that his wife is a doctor and loves it and that many women should think about being a doctor we would never have heard about this.

At the end of the day people have interests and whatever you're interested is stories about that are interesting and important. That's just humans

[Hodad]

17 hours ago, User said:

So, you have all the time in the world to repeatedly make up crap he didn't say... but when asked actually to quote him, well, now you balk at that because you can't.

Most careers are built on facilitating the lives of others; in Homemaking, women choose to invest more into their own families instead, while you mock and demean them for it. 

Yes, we already know that you think less of women who are Homemakers... which is why I keep saying you are demeaning them. 

Talk about projection. 

You're not fooling anyone. That's absolutely his message. He didn't say that being a homemaker was a great option. He told those with other ambitions that they had been told a "diabolical lie." 🤪

You are welcome to agree with him, but don't pretend he didn't communicate exactly what he's been accused of communicating. 

Edited May 21, 2024 by Hodad

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You're not fooling anyone. That's absolutely his message. He didn't say that being a homemaker was a great option. He told those with other ambitions that they had been told a "diabolical lie." 🤪

You are welcome to agree with him, but don't pretend he didn't communicate exactly what he's been accused of communicating. 

Holy shit kiddo - how far down into delusion do you have to sink just to preserve your lie?

He said precisely that being a home maker was a great and fulfilling option 

The diabolic lie they had been told was that it was not. 

The earth - round or flat? Your thoughts?

[User]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

You're not fooling anyone.

I was not trying to fool anyone. Perhaps, you are so used to playing these kinds of games you think others are too?

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

That's absolutely his message.

What. What was his message? Quote him. 

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

You are welcome to agree with him, but don't pretend he didn't communicate exactly what he's been accused of communicating. 

Quote him. 

 Also, we are making some progress. At least you are not insulting women again, as you have been in almost all of your responses. 

[Hodad]

31 minutes ago, User said:

I was not trying to fool anyone. Perhaps, you are so used to playing these kinds of games you think others are too?

What. What was his message? Quote him. 

Quote him. 

 Also, we are making some progress. At least you are not insulting women again, as you have been in almost all of your responses. 

Fark off, liar. I have not insulted "women."

[User]

22 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Fark off, liar. I have not insulted "women."

You certainly were not insulting turtles. 

Enough of your silly games. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Fark off, liar. I have not insulted "women."

You absolutely did. 

 

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, User said:

Where did he say they should not have choices? 

He was talking about the lies pushed by folks like Hodad on here, demeaning to women who choose to be Homemakers. 

No one here is demeaning homemakers. That's just shit you are making up because you can't come up with anything else.

[User]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

No one here is demeaning homemakers. That's just shit you are making up because you can't come up with anything else.

Feel free to go back to any of the numerous responses I have made where I pointed out that is exactly what Hodad was doing. 

He characterized them as just being "knocked up folding laundry" and the "baseline" of "Breeding and rearing children" and that those who have careers are going "beyond" them... etc...etc...

Hodad has been saying demeaning crap for pages now. Far more than Butker ever did. 

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

No one here is demeaning homemakers. That's just shit you are making up because you can't come up with anything else.

 

4 hours ago, User said:

Feel free to go back to any of the numerous responses I have made where I pointed out that is exactly what Hodad was doing. 

He characterized them as just being "knocked up folding laundry" and the "baseline" of "Breeding and rearing children" and that those who have careers are going "beyond" them... etc...etc...

Hodad has been saying demeaning crap for pages now. Far more than Butker ever did. 

 

in addition it was said they had no value and that anyone could do the work. I posted research showing that their contribution to the household was actually well over 100 thousand dollars of value. 

This whole outrage is predicated on the idea that being a housewife is not a 'worthwhile' position and no man should be allowed to say that it is. The guy never once said it was the only choice or where women belong or any of that nonsense. 

[Hodad]

18 minutes ago, Aristides said:

No one here is demeaning homemakers. That's just shit you are making up because you can't come up with anything else.

Well, I kinda am. People who have the potential to do a lot more and opt to stay home instead of putting their talents to work in the world are largely wasting themselves. I definitely judge that negatively, the way I would any elective underachievement. And I absolutely resent anyone who tells a group of smart, educated women that they shouldn't aspire to more--that personal achievement is a diabolical lie.

Cooking and cleaning and caring for children is part of being a parent, but only part. Parents are also powerful models of behavior, and if people aren't showing their children how to be engaged, active members of the world then that becomes a disservice. 

Every animal on the planet has a reproductive "strategy" for perpetuating the species one generation to the next. One of the ways humans are special is that we also aspire advance the species as a whole. Not just men, but men and women. And if we tell half the brains and talent on the planet that they should stay on the bench we do the individual--and the rest of humanity--a disservice. 

[User]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Well, I kinda am.

No crap, you have been demeaning women who are homemakers for pages now. You are saying outright far worse than anything Butker said. 

You are why Butker said what he did and called it diabolical lies, because you are demeaning women who choose to invest in their families and Butker was encouraging them and lifting them up, praising them. 

 

 

[Legato]

[gatomontes99]

The irony of this thread is so delicious. Admittedly, it wasn't that long ago when men thought women could not succeed at work. That was wrong. But what I'd so different in believing that women can't stay home?

Butker said that women might be surprised how much they like it. That us no different than telling a mid 20th century women that they might enjoy engineering.

[User]

6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Butker said that women might be surprised how much they like it. That us no different than telling a mid 20th century women that they might enjoy engineering.

The stupidity of this thread is that it is Hodad insulting women here, demeaning them, and it was Butker encouraging them and cheering them on. 

 

[gatomontes99]

16 minutes ago, User said:

The stupidity of this thread is that it is Hodad insulting women here, demeaning them, and it was Butker encouraging them and cheering them on. 

 

Right. Because if they don't conform to Hodad's image of women, then they are lesser beings. No different than the massaginosts of the 50's.

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, User said:

The stupidity of this thread is that it is Hodad insulting women here, demeaning them, and it was Butker encouraging them and cheering them on. 

 

Again, a lie. An outright lie. I am not insulting women. I have, at best, "insulted" a role by correctly identifying it as less ambitious and less achieving. If anything I am aggrandizing women. Because they should be ambitious and dream big and chase those dreams. 

Edited May 22, 2024 by Hodad

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

Right. Because if they don't conform to Hodad's image of women, then they are lesser beings. No different than the massaginosts of the 50's.

My image of humans, not of women specifically. Not everyone will achieve everything, and that's fine. But I don't have much respect for the people who don't at least try to reach their potential. 

And unless you're talking about backrubs, the word you're looking for is "misogynists." There is an irony that you don't recognize the root words baked into the complaint. 

[User]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Again, a lie. An outright lie. I am not insulting women. If anything I am aggrandizing women. Because they should be ambitious and dream big and chase those dreams. 

Another insult: If women are not out working, then they are not ambitious or chasing their dreams. 

9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I don't have much respect for the people who don't at least try to reach their potential. 

Yes, we know you don't have much respect for women who are homemakers, which is why I am accurate in repeatedly calling you out for demeaning women like you are. 

[Hodad]

53 minutes ago, User said:

Another insult: If women are not out working, then they are not ambitious or chasing their dreams. 

Yes, we know you don't have much respect for women who are homemakers, which is why I am accurate in repeatedly calling you out for demeaning women like you are. 

People. If people aren't working--aren't trying--then they are not ambitious. Fact. They may or may not have dreams or ambitions, sometimes naturally, and sometimes because of a lifetime of negative expectation. It's hard to hold onto dreams when you grow up hearing patriarchal a-holes like Butker telling them you that god wants you to be a housewife. 

And again, it's an outright lie to say that I am demeaning women. I have criticized one behavior that can be chosen by persons of any gender. 

Liars, like you, are not worthy of respect. I am NOT demeaning men, or women, or trans people, or non-binary, or eunuchs or any other category. I am criticizing the choice to be a liar.

Yet you persist with your lies. Clearly my disapproval is not very compelling. 

 

3 out of 5 isn't a total failure, but it doesn't make a whole, healthy person.

Edited May 22, 2024 by Hodad

[Hodad]

Even the nuns think Butker is a jackass.

"The sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested. 

Instead of promoting unity in our church, our nation, and the world, his comments seem to have fostered division. One of our concerns was the assertion that being a homemaker is the highest calling for a woman. We sisters have dedicated our lives to God and God’s people, including the many women whom we have taught and influenced during the past 160 years. These women have made a tremendous difference in the world in their roles as wives and mothers and through their God-given gifts in leadership, scholarship, and their careers." 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

Well, I kinda am. People who have the potential to do a lot more and opt to stay home instead of putting their talents to work in the world are largely wasting themselves. I definitely judge that negatively, the way I would any elective underachievement.

And there you have it. The left looks down on women who make choices that they don't agree with. In what universe is raising a child, and doing all of the things that are associated with being a mother and a homemaker which includes being active in your community somehow an "Underachievement"? 

Teachers care for kids about 6 to 8 hours a day, do you feel that they are Underachievers? But a woman who cares for them the other 16 hours is simply a waste of space according to you. A failure who has not lived up to their "Potential".

And what this guy pointed out is that degenerates like you who crap on women for their choices are telling women a lie. In fact raising a healthy happy well-adjusted well-nourished well-loved child who has the self-respect and confidence to go out into the world and do whatever they want to do (even if that's raise children) Is a rewarding and fulfilling life goal that requires a ton of work and commitment and is in fact a high calling, not a failure in life.