CdnFox Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, herbie said: Quote 10 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Not sure if you are a former junkie or have some in your family That's where you're 100% incorrect. Ahh so you're not a former junkie - you're still one Explains a lot actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted May 3 Author Report Share Posted May 3 13 hours ago, herbie said: The hard approach did not work for a damn. Just makes them feel more unwanted - something the addictive mind reinforces as a truth. That's why this legal hardline BS never worked. In spite of your insistence that the BC led approach 'didn't work', I say otherwise. The only failure was to predict the public annoyance aspect, I too would not have thought of it at the time. Nor have predicted the position of the BC Court on the first attempt at regulating it. Do you know how many times my kid walked away from rehab? They can't and won't make you stay, they know that's useless. I'm only ragging you as you keep using alarmist invalid stereotypes for your criticism of treatment methods and reverting to criminal solutions that as I repeat 'defintitely have not worked for 100 years'. Good God, this brain chemistry is so f*cked up, so frustrating that I walked away a semester short of a Psych degree in 1974 and went back to electronics. Like they say "Good computers are like good women, they do exactly what you want if you ask them the right way" You say "them" like all addicts. I suggest to you that the tragedy that befell you was one, not all. You may say otherwise but I can pretty well say that it was not some unknown public servant that made this decision sitting in their cubicle by themselves. i am quite sure for a government to backtrack such a controversial program that there were many experts (all detached as opposed to personal involvement) involved. "Ragging" on me is pointless. I am far from an expert and only an observer yet, I see and hear and read of the failure of the gentle on the addicts programs. Fact is things are getting worse. More people are dying every year and less is being done to help. So, if what was being done over the past 100 years does not help, then what do we do? Oh, lets give up and let them take drugs anywhere, anytime without consequences. Nothing wrong with that? Maybe we should become harsher on addicts??; Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: So, if what was being done over the past 100 years does not help, then what do we do? Oh, lets give up and let them take drugs anywhere, anytime without consequences. Nice circular argument again. Right back to the 'It must be back to what didn't work for a century because after one year part of PlanB didn't work, therefore all of PlanB is no good'. There's 1,000 issues involved so let's leave it to the experts, doctors and social workers etc. and tell the loudmouth politicians who feed solely on gut issue publicity and don't actually give a damn about who or what they rail about to STFU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted May 3 Author Report Share Posted May 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, herbie said: Nice circular argument again. Right back to the 'It must be back to what didn't work for a century because after one year part of PlanB didn't work, therefore all of PlanB is no good'. There's 1,000 issues involved so let's leave it to the experts, doctors and social workers etc. and tell the loudmouth politicians who feed solely on gut issue publicity and don't actually give a damn about who or what they rail about to STFU. Look, I am not arguing with you but if you are accusing me of a circular argument, then what are you going on about saying "'definitely have not worked for 100 years'."? Repeatedly. I asked you, what do you suggest or what plan do you have? I understand you have a personal stake in this and I have said I sympathize with you, several times but, to be belligerent and calling me out when you have no better answer, I think you have to either put up or STFU too. Like I said, politicians or public servants do not pluck this out of their ass and just say make it so. They are advised by medical practitioners, addiction experts, police and social workers. They made the decision a year or more ago and now were told it was a failure and repeal it. As I see it, you are a grieving parent looking to blame someone because you could not do anything. I think everyone is looking for a solution and so far, have failed. Taking you anger out on me is, well, misplaced. The system(s) failed and you failed. Sorry. Edited May 3 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, herbie said: Nice circular argument again. Right back to the 'It must be back to what didn't work for a century because after one year part of PlanB didn't work, therefore all of PlanB is no good'. But it did work. Things were better under that plan than the current plan. It actually is straight forward logic to say "we tried this and things got worse - lets go back to the way it was where thinks were better". Then you can see if you can come up with something new. But we sure haven't tried giving a choice between severe punishment and successful rehab tho - and that does sound promising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 On 4/27/2024 at 6:25 AM, ExFlyer said: So...the take your drugs anywhere is a failed project? Wow, what a surprise! I hope they recriminalize drugs again including marijuana, shut down those marijuana stores, crack down on the drug dealers and users. My neighbors are so much into drugs and that stench I get in the front yard is so overwhelming with those two shouting and yelling and burping and making animal sounds, that my only remaining hope is they OD soon! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCanuck89 Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 On 6/11/2024 at 11:49 PM, cougar said: I hope they recriminalize drugs again including marijuana, shut down those marijuana stores, crack down on the drug dealers and users. My neighbors are so much into drugs and that stench I get in the front yard is so overwhelming with those two shouting and yelling and burping and making animal sounds, that my only remaining hope is they OD soon! Let me guess, small government conservative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 39 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said: Let me guess, small government conservative? Oh please. Small government conservatives have supported the idea of legalizing dope for decades. He's just being a facetious twit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, CrazyCanuck89 said: Let me guess, small government conservative? Let Me guess - a teenage pot head ? 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: a facetious twit why would I be responding to the d*b f*k you are? just to state the obvious again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) 15 hours ago, cougar said: why would I be responding to the d*b f*k you are? just to state the obvious again. Holy - triggered leftie is triggered !! First - you're NOT responding to me, i was talking to CC So i dont' know WHO you're responding to. Sounds more like a cry for attention to be honest And second - sorry kid i didn't mean to emotionally scar you so bad that you'd stick your head in the ground and cry. Edited June 19 by CdnFox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 17 hours ago, CrazyCanuck89 said: Let me guess, small government conservative? Most likely. But for sure a Karen. Wahh! My neighbours are smoking up outside. Like the vegan griping about the smell of meat on a neighbour's BBQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 (edited) On 6/19/2024 at 2:03 PM, herbie said: Most likely. But for sure a Karen. Wahh! My neighbours are smoking up outside. Like the vegan griping about the smell of meat on a neighbour's BBQ You don't get it either. If someone was smoking cigars in your yard and you were exposed to secondary smoke, you can get cancer just from what your neighbors smoke. But that is still not the point. If I do not smoke and do not like the smoke of marijuana I have to either sell my place and move somewhere else, or, if I cannot do that, hope those f*ks overdose. Hope they do soon! Edited June 30 by cougar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 Yeah I get it. You're annoyed at what someone else does on their own property. I don't let people smoke in my house, they have to g outside. But I'm not a self righteous goodie-two-shoes school principal that makes them leave my property. Outside is outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 7 minutes ago, herbie said: Yeah I get it. You're annoyed at what someone else does on their own property. I don't let people smoke in my house, they have to g outside. But I'm not a self righteous goodie-two-shoes school principal that makes them leave my property. Outside is outside. That's dumb. If that were the case i could just burn styrofoam on my property and if my neighbours were choking and gasping oh well outside is outside. Or if there was a creek i can dump whatever I like in it upstream of you because you know outside is outside. Sorry about the oil and toxic waste, hope it doesn't bug you . The courts and numerous civil tribunals including the CRT and human rights have been crystal clear. You do NOT have a right to do something on your property that severely negatively impacts the use and enjoyment of another property. Of COURSE if you do something that unreasonably impacts the neighbouring properties that is not tolerated nor should it be, and smoke has long been held to fall into that category. Buy an air filter, or go smoke it somewhere that doesnt bug people, or buy edibles ffs. The idea you've got the right to pollute the air and affect your neighbours is beyond !diotic even for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: If that were the case i could just burn styrofoam on my property and if my neighbours were choking and gasping oh well outside is outside. Or if there was a creek i can dump whatever I like in it upstream of you because you know outside is outside. Sorry about the oil and toxic waste, hope it doesn't bug you . Ahh, the hypocrisy of the one who says we shouldn't have to reduce CO2 because China doesn't. You sound like the biatch down the street complaining my Pomeranian cut across her lawn to visit our friend. She got really pissed when I told her fences work two ways, f*cking build yourself one. No! No! Everyone on this street better tie up or cage their pets or I will call.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, herbie said: Ahh, the hypocrisy of the one who says we shouldn't have to reduce CO2 because China doesn't. No, i said there's no point if china doesn't. That's kind of different. To put it in context here - there's no point worrying about burning a styrofoam cup in my fireplace if the neighbour is burning 40 lbs of the stuff in his burn barrel at the moment Sorry kid - false equivalency But nice attempt at distraction Quote You sound like the biatch down the street complaining my Pomeranian cut across her lawn to visit our friend. She got really pissed when I told her fences work two ways, f*cking build yourself one. uhhhh - yeah. That's pretty much the same thing right? (holy crap - did we not talk about not drinking before posting??) Anyway if your dog comes into my yard and damages it then of course i have legal recourse against you. Doesn't matter what you told anyone. If you release pollution and it impacts your neighbour, they've got legal recourse against you. That's pretty obvious. Just exactly how much dope did you smoke not to be able to figure that out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCanuck89 Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 On 6/19/2024 at 12:25 AM, CdnFox said: Oh please. Small government conservatives have supported the idea of legalizing dope for decades. He's just being a facetious twit Why didn't the last Conservative government do it? They had a majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 28 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said: Why didn't the last Conservative government do it? They had a majority. They had a majority for 4 years. There is a crap ton of things they said they wanted to do that they didn't get time to do. There's so many legislative hours to work with and that's what you've got. And it wouldn't have played well with that small tight core of more socially conservative voters. And the liberals wouldn't have thanked them for doing it. So if you haven't got time to do everything you want, why would you focus on doing something that's low return and high effort? A better question is why I have none of the Conservative candidates since then run on getting rid of it? If all of these conservatives out there you mentioned are opposed, surely it would make sense to run on scrapping that legislation. Instead they have all claims the debate is over and they are not going to be re-addressing it. I remember a lot of the debates about this inside the conservative party and amongst supporters. The last majority of conservatives just felt that it wasn't a big deal and it should be allowed. It was considered considerably different than an addictive drug. There was no real support for keeping it illegal and none for changing it back. swing and a miss I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 Your claims are utter bullshit. If Harper was still in power, today you'd get a small fine and no record for possessing marijuana and there sure as hell wouldn't be any weed stores. As is your delusion that laws will make drug use go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 18 minutes ago, herbie said: Your claims are utter bullshit. Cite? Quote If Harper was still in power, today you'd get a small fine and no record for possessing marijuana and there sure as hell wouldn't be any weed stores. Cite? Quote As is your delusion that laws will make drug use go away. Cite? None? Can't offer any proof of any of that? Not even where i said laws would make drug use go away? NOTHING? So. As usual and as typical of the lying left you just made shit up that has zero basis in truth that was born from your bigotry and hatred of anything different than you. It must be hard on you being fueled by nothing but rage and bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 Duh. You posted the bullshit, you cite. The rest of us were there and awake and can use Google like grown ups. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, herbie said: Duh. You posted the bullshit, you cite. No, they're your claims. Can't cite huh? Just pulled it out of your ass? Always funny watching you get busted for being a lying sack LOL Well that's lefties for you - if the truth isn't to your liking then making crap up on the fly will see you through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 (edited) You don't even have a clue how to discuss worth shit do you? You actually think you're clever using a variant of I know you are but what am I? I called your bullshit, that means YOU defend yourself. Better yet, just STFU you're over your head without water wings in this thread. You know dick shit about the subject, absolutely sweet f*ck all. Edited July 7 by herbie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 5 hours ago, herbie said: You don't even have a clue how to discuss worth shit do you? My discussion skills are better than your English skills. Apparently. Quote You actually think you're clever using a variant of I know you are but what am I? No, i think you're stupid for making claims you can't back up and getting called out for it. You made claims, i said "cite", now somehow your claims are supposed to be my fault. You're an !diot. Quote I called your bullshit, that means YOU defend yourself. LOL - no, kiddo, that's not how it works at all. IF you had said "prove your statements" initially that might be true. But instead you made affirmations and statements of your own. And i questioned those. That means its entirely on you. You made the firm claim what i said was bullsht. Well - prove it. Where's your cite? YOU made a claim about harper, that's got nothing to do with anything i said, that was YOUR claim. Well... where's your proof? You're such a failure as a person. Not only do you make bullshit statements you know you can't back up, but when that's pointed out you claim that it's up to others to prove your stuff. And everyone can see it. Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 I'd put you on ignore if I didn't enjoy mocking m0r0ns so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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