Pro-Hamas Rallies in Canada

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

...let me repeat that 85 %, a vast majority of those palestinians that could vote, voted for a known resistance group, that would continue the fight with israel.... 

FIFY.

That said, war criminals no matter who they are should all be brought to justice.

AFAIC governments who deign to involve themselves in armed conflict with one another without measures for dealing with the war criminals their conflict produces should be regarded as criminals themselves.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

FIFY.

 

Oh look who's back to fake-quoting again

That 'resistance' group you're supporting, are they 'resisting' women and children? Because that's who they killed in their terrorist attacks. 

[User]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

That said, war criminals no matter who they are should all be brought to justice.

How?

This is the most outlandishly naive demand. 

Hamas committed war crimes when they attacked Israel. So... do you support Israel bringing them to justice now?

 

[Moonbox]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOL - You are dumber than a stump if you think posting one picture of a tiny demonstration means that somehow the people would vote in a gov't that would oppose hamas or support israel   

You are dumber than a stump.  Period. 

The pictures were meant to remind you (more likely inform you in the first place, lol) of the large scale protests after Mahsa Amini's death in prison...for not dressing the way Supreme Leader likes.  In the ensuing demonstrations, hundreds were killed by Iranian security forces and ~20,000 imprisoned.  According to you, however, they seem to like their religious leaders.  🙄

 

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Sounds like a democracy here in Canada, we vote and 4 years later we vote again, we let whom ever make all the decisions , then we get on a forum like this and b!tch and moan...not many Canadians take responsibility for anything and in the case of the last 8 plus years quality of life as been lowered...a lot...

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

You are dumber than a stump.  Period. 

LOL - ohhh so clever!!! You've learned to parrot what your betters say to you, well done!  Here's a peanut   

 

 

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The pictures were meant to remind you (more likely inform you in the first place, lol) of the large scale protests after Mahsa Amini's death in prison.

And as i pointed out "Large Scale Protests" don't actually translate into wide popular support for something. I posted 'large scale protests' happening in several countries but that does not mean the people  are going to elect an anti-israeli gov't for example.

It was a dumb thing to post.

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 In the ensuing demonstrations, hundreds were killed by Iranian security forces and ~20,000 imprisoned.  According to you, however, they seem to like their religious leaders.  🙄

 

Their population is almost 90 million. That's a tiny fraction of their population.  Hell  almost 20,000 were arrested during the blm riots of 2021 in the states.  Strangely the blacks haven't taken over. 

For that matter russia has arrested thousands of it's people and won't allow demostratons and putin just got elected again. Or did you forget they were a democracy as well?

There is no reason at all to believe if iran was a democracy it would be any different than it is now. Read a book. 

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Oh look who's back to fake-quoting again

That 'resistance' group you're supporting, are they 'resisting' women and children? Because that's who they killed in their terrorist attacks. 

Spitting on the corpses of raped/murdered women is a form of "resistance" in eyeball's opinion. So is burning babies to death and firing tens of thousands of rockets at civilian populations. 

Make sure that you don't accidentally bump into him in Costco.

17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

How is that clear?

Jews were legally considered 3rd-class citizens by law across the whole ottoman empire. 

Riots and massacres targeting Jews weren't uncommon. 

For 1,000 years Jews weren't allowed to visit Temple Mount. 

Is that your version of what's "just fine"? 

It was 'just fine ' for muslims, for everyone else it sucked.

Cite?

Hey @eyeball you still never answered this, dummy. 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, User said:

How?

This is the most outlandishly naive demand. 

Hamas committed war crimes when they attacked Israel. So... do you support Israel bringing them to justice now?

Through statehood for Palestine. You need to have a state to negotiate an extradition treaty with. Israel has committed war crimes too...you don't support bringing them to justice?

If a US terror group attacked and killed a bunch of Canadians in Canada how would you go about dealing with it?

[User]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Through statehood for Palestine. You need to have a state to negotiate an extradition treaty with. Israel has committed war crimes too...you don't support bringing them to justice?

If a US terror group attacked and killed a bunch of Canadians in Canada how would you go about dealing with it?

Hamas controls Gaza. Hamas would likely control the West Bank if they held elections. 

So... who is running this state of Palestine you speak of?

 

[eyeball]

18 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

How is that clear?

By reading a little about it.

Christians, Jews and Muslims have worked together and have lived as neighbors in the Middle East for centuries and some still do.  One hears many stories from Palestinians of the friendships they had with their Jewish neighbors and vice versa.

https://www.globalministries.org/resource/background_definitions_who_are_palestinians/

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Cite.

Sure.

Israeli social media users start trend mocking Gazan suffering

While social media influencers joined trend in which suffering of Palestinians in Gaza mocked, children also seen in some videos

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-social-media-users-start-trend-mocking-gazan-suffering/3074088

 

And here's a new twist on modern urban warfare. Reminds me of the time Canadian soldiers took pictures of themselves with a prisoner they'd  beaten to a pulp before he died. 

Israeli soldiers deployed in Gaza post their abuses on social media

The service members operating in the Palestinian enclave brag about their exploits on TikTok or Instagram. The stream of videos showing humiliations, looting and destruction attest to the sense of impunity that drives them.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/02/28/israeli-soldiers-deployed-in-gaza-post-their-abuses-on-social-media_6568987_4.html

 

Israelis have been cheering Palestinian subjugation for years.

People drink, snack and pose for selfies against a background of explosions as Palestinian death toll mounts in ongoing offensive

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, User said:

Hamas controls Gaza. Hamas would likely control the West Bank if they held elections. 

So... who is running this state of Palestine you speak of?

He's a dummy. He has no clue what he's talking about.

Gaza and the West Bank could be a sovereign state if they wanted to, but officially accepting those lines on a map excludes Israel from being part of their territory, and as such constitutes the acknowledgement of Israel as an independent state, or at least not being part of their state. 

All of the islamic bigots in the ME are firmly against that. That's why there have been "refugee camps" for 75 years. If Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, Iran et all manage to commit genocide against the Jews, the people in those refugee camps get to rush into Israel and snap up the homes. 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

By reading a little about it.

You read propaganda from BS websites you m0r0n.

https://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/ottoman-empire/background

• In 1914 the Ottoman Empire controlled 2.4 million sq km of territory, including all of modern-day Türkiye and most of the Middle East. The empire was dominated by the Turks but also included Arabs, Kurds, Greeks, Armenians and other ethnic minorities. Officially the Ottoman Empire was an Islamic Caliphate ruled by a Sultan, Mehmed V, although it also contained Christians, Jews and other religious minorities. For nearly all of the empire’s 600-year existence these non-Muslim subjects endured systematic discrimination and, at times, outright persecution.

https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/the-ottoman-christian-genocide

• The Ottoman Empire, led by the radical nationalist ‘Young Turks,’ carried out a genocide between 1915-1923.  While Armenians were the most affluent and widely persecuted group, perpetrators sought to purge the Ottoman Empire of all Christian minorities. This included Assyrians and Greeks. Scholars estimate that 1.5 million Armenians were slaughtered, but the total death toll is over 2 million people. 

 

[eyeball]

16 minutes ago, User said:

So... who is running this state of Palestine you speak of?

It doesn't exist yet. So Israel has instead decided to wade through civilian populations to seek justice and becoming war criminals themselves in the process. 

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You read propaganda from BS websites

What's your beef with the Global Ministries exactly? They acknowledge the fact there's been violence while also pointing out the peace. You never post anything that does that.

I'm clearly acknowledging that war crimes have been committed against Israelis but you just can't bring yourself to acknowledge that can you?

 

 

Edited June 18, 2024 by eyeball

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Their population is almost 90 million. That's a tiny fraction of their population.  Hell  almost 20,000 were arrested during the blm riots of 2021 in the states.  Strangely the blacks haven't taken over. 

Big difference between protesting in Iran, and protesting in the USA.  The former killed over 500 and blinded hundreds more.  The latter had...what...25 people die?  How many were killed by police?  

But sure, people love living in repressive dictatorships where they can go to jail for not dressing properly.  North Koreans love Supreme Leader as well.  Leader is wise.  Leader is benevolent.  

 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Big difference between protesting in Iran, and protesting in the USA.  The former killed over 500 and blinded hundreds more.  The latter had...what...25 people die?  How many were killed by police?  

 

The gov't response to the riot is irrelevant. The fact remains that the demonstration does not 'demonstrate' that even if there were a democracy that the people would support anyone different than who's in now, any more than protests anywhere else do.  It's not complicated. 

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But sure, people love living in repressive dictatorships where they can go to jail for not dressing properly.  North Koreans love Supreme Leader as well.  Leader is wise.  Leader is benevolent.  

Funny enough they frequently do.  Russia is a 'democracy',  you can go to jail their just as fast for having an opinion.  Polls done in gaza before the war showed that not only were people fine with no elections but in fact thought democracy was a bad idea.  Did you know why hitler had such an easy time suspending democracy in Germany? It was a new idea and a very large hunk of the population didn't like it, they preferred the old monarchy.  There are numerous examples where people have rejected democracy and prefer a more authoritarian state. 

In north america we tend to believe that everyone loves freedom and the right to make their own choices etc.  That's how we were raised. But the simple fact is that in MANY parts of the world, they don't look at it like that. They WANT the priests to be in charge and think it's best to have that structure. They fear that society becomes immoral without it. 

There is no reason to think for a moment that the gov't would be substantially different if they had a democracy. When gaza had democracy they chose hamas. 

[User]

46 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It doesn't exist yet. So Israel has instead decided to wade through civilian populations to seek justice and becoming war criminals themselves in the process. 

So again... how do you bring Hamas to justice?

 

[Moonbox]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Did you know why hitler had such an easy time suspending democracy in Germany? It was a new idea and a very large hunk of the population didn't like it, they preferred the old monarchy.  There are numerous examples where people have rejected democracy and prefer a more authoritarian state. 

It's less about preferring a more authoritarian state, and more about lacking the legal and democratic institutions that could safeguard against it.  Hitler "won" an election in 1933, supported by a massive campaign of violence, repression and intimidation, along with the jailing of political enemies.  Prussia alone had 50,000 SS or militia members 'monitoring' the polls. 

There are always going to be people who are dumb and cynical enough to support/enable dictatorship.  If that dictatorship can deliver results, they may even end up with wide popular support...but only until the music stops.  It's when things aren't going great that folks start to rethink their choices, and by then it's too late. 

Regardless, Iran already attempted secular democracy back in the early 50's...until US and British intelligence organized/facilitated a coup to restore the Shah. 

 

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, User said:

So again... how do you bring Hamas to justice?

Create Palestine so you have something to negotiate criminal issues with.

[User]

41 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm clearly acknowledging that war crimes have been committed against Israelis but you just can't bring yourself to acknowledge that can you?

This is like admitting the sky is blue. Great.  

The problem is that you have offered little more here other than support for Hamas now. 

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Create Palestine so you have something to negotiate criminal issues with.

Hamas controls Gaza. Calling it Palestine doesn't change that. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

What's your beef with the Global Ministries exactly? They acknowledge the fact there's been violence while also pointing out the peace. You never post anything that does that.

Would we really have peace if only Christians were allowed to run for political office? Or white people?

What if minorities weren't allowed to drive cars, or have a job where they were the boss of white people? Would that really be "peace"? 

What if natives were forbidden to ever go to any of their most sacred sites to pray, would that be peace? 

What you call peace is nothing short of subjugation. "We won't massacre you if you abide by all of our rules."

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I'm clearly acknowledging that war crimes have been committed against Israelis but you just can't bring yourself to acknowledge that can you?

I can acknowledge that war crimes were committed against Israelis. I can acknowledge that war crimes were committed against Palestinians. I can admit that some of the earliest terrorists in the ME were members of Lehi/the Stern Gang/Irgun, etc, so it's really ironic to see them pontificate about the evils of terrorism.

I can acknowledge that our bankrupting of Germany after WWI probably led to Naziism.  

I can acknowledge that Jewish slave ownership and their slaughters of Christians and muslims, which pre-date mohammed, are probably responsible for mohammed's own slavery and genocides. I can also acknowledge that Jews never invented any of those things either, and that they happened to Jews just like everyone else. Committing those acts was a learned behaviour by everyone, going back probably thousands of years before Jews migrated to the holy land.

The English were also enslaved by other cultures before they had their empire. 

Blacks were slavers and conquerors for centuries as well before their turn to be enslaved came around.

I'll acknowledge that there's plenty of guilt to go around for everyone. And I mean everyone. The worst fate that you can suffer, by far, is to have another human gain absolute power over you. 

 

Can you acknowledge that what the Israelis are up against is nothing short of genocide?

They're not engaged in a battle for territory, glory, money, or religious bigotry, they just want to live on that shitty little patch of land. They want the centuries of living as second-class citizens, being persecuted and being massacred to finally stop.

And the muslims who keep attacking them actually say that they want to wipe the Jews out. Wipe them out. They don't just want to win a war, they want to do what the Pakistanis did in 1947. They are frothing at the mouth to see millions of Jewish men, women and children murdered. 

The Palestinians don't need that land at all, they can live as muslims all over the ME, free as a bird to commit their attacks against innocent, unsuspecting people of various prohibited faiths. But the Palestinians are the perfect excuse for the muslims to commit another ME genocide. Iran needs them. 

Edited June 18, 2024 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Regardless, Iran already attempted secular democracy back in the early 50's...until US and British intelligence organized/facilitated a coup to restore the Shah.

And their success emboldened them to do behave similarly elsewhere around the region and world.

AFAIC they're the biggest geopolitical vandals the planet has ever seen.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, User said:

Hamas controls Gaza. Calling it Palestine doesn't change that. 

Iran controls Hamas. Pretending otherwise very deliberately misses the point. The entire justification for the scale of violence Israel is presently inflicting on Palestinians depends on the fiction they voted for this.

It also gets the west off the hook for doing anything about changing the regime in Iran...as if anyone needed an excuse.

[User]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Iran controls Hamas. Pretending otherwise very deliberately misses the point. The entire justification for the scale of violence Israel is presently inflicting on Palestinians depends on the fiction they voted for this.

It also gets the west off the hook for doing anything about changing the regime in Iran...as if anyone needed an excuse.

Iran funds, supports, and backs Hamas. Nowhere have I pretended otherwise. How much they "control" them is up for debate. 

The Palestinian people voted for and continue to support Hamas with strong pluralities since 2006 as well as popularly supporting their violent wars and attacks on Israel since 2006, including October 7th. 

None of this has anything to do with what I keep asking you. 

HOW DO YOU HOLD HAMAS ACCOUNTABLE?

 

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

What you call peace is nothing short of subjugation.

No what I posted is what Global Ministries called peace. I gave you their interpretation because I knew you'd steadfastly refuse to accept mine.

Now you apparently refuse to accept Global Ministries because it makes your head explode.