CdnFox Posted March 9, 2024 Author Report Posted March 9, 2024 1 minute ago, eyeball said: No, he might be able to point you to wherever he's been getting his supply. Why? Just because the gun hasn't gone off while he's playing roulette so far? That's like saying if i can find an old smoker who never died of cancer as long as everyone smokes his brand they'll be safe. Not everyone who does 'bad' drugs die. But - a lot of them do. You can't make it safe. Quote Keith Richards notwithstanding. It doesn't matter if he's standing or not The fact he dodged a bullet doesnt' mean that getting shot at is safe. Lets get real = if there were a 70 percent mortality rate that would mean there'd be 30 addicts out of a hundred who didn't die - but that still wouldn't make it safe There's 2500 people a year in bc alone who would argue he got lucky and they did not. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 Well there are lots of other ways to combat drug use, starting with less economic inequality. But of course the rich and the usual suspects won't put up with that so.... Just another one of those Forever thingies I guess. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 9, 2024 Author Report Posted March 9, 2024 19 minutes ago, eyeball said: Well there are lots of other ways to combat drug use, starting with less economic inequality. Nope. t'ain't just poor people doing drugs. Sorry that's not a factor. Quote But of course the rich and the usual suspects won't put up with that so.... Oh look - another bullshit reason why the left is happy to let people die instead of dealing with the real issues. It ain't the poor, it aint the rich, it ain't the evil conservatives. It's people who insist on these little social experiments that suck up all the time and money and then people are sick of dealing with the issue and nothing gets done But the best solution we have is harsh laws and enforcement for dealing, and for users choose between jail and rehab after a few busts for anyting other than posession - including having od'd. A shocking number of the dead od'd before but decided that's fine they'll just get revived. And make sure the rehab options are as robust and effective as possible. That's basically it. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
blackbird Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Well there are lots of other ways to combat drug use, starting with less economic inequality. But of course the rich and the usual suspects won't put up with that so.... Maybe if you live long enough, there will be a utopian society where there is no economic inequality and no drug addicts. Good luck with that. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 9, 2024 Author Report Posted March 9, 2024 Just now, blackbird said: Maybe if you live long enough, there will be a utopian society where there is no economic inequality and no drug addicts. Good luck with that. That's pretty easy to achieve - all it requires is for everybody everywhere to be dead. Otherwise you're going to have issues with achieving that. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 (edited) 59 minutes ago, blackbird said: Maybe if you live long enough, there will be a utopian society where there is no economic inequality and no drug addicts. Good luck with that. Less economic inequality would drive so many right wingers to so much despair there would be no end to the demand for drugs. Edited March 9, 2024 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Nope. t'ain't just poor people doing drugs. Sorry that's not a factor. It most certainly is a factor. The better your income is the better your access to safer drugs will be. Go ask Keith. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: But the best solution we have is harsh laws and enforcement for dealing... That's basically it. So prohibition. IOW, a little social experiment that sucks up all the time and money and then people are sick of dealing with the issue and nothing gets done Interestingly enough it's always the poor who pay the most for your social program. The higher your income the gentler the laws and enforcement. Again...go ask Keith. Edited March 9, 2024 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 9, 2024 Author Report Posted March 9, 2024 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Less economic inequality would drive so many right wingers to so much despair there would be no end to the demand for drugs. Oh for sure. As you know all conservatives are evil people that only live to see others suffer. Why is the left so bigoted and hate filled these days? The left used to be all about free love, now it's nothing but Costly hate Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted March 9, 2024 Author Report Posted March 9, 2024 1 hour ago, eyeball said: It most certainly is a factor. The better your income is the better your access to safer drugs will be. Go ask Keith. Nope. As we've seen even with access to so-called safe drugs the druggies don't go for it. It's got nothing to do with money. If there is a difference it's that people who would tend to be wealthy make better decisions than people who would tend to choose to be drug addicts. Quote So prohibition. IOW, a little social experiment that sucks up all the time and money and then people are sick of dealing with the issue and nothing gets done Prohibition has worked the best out of anything we've tried. Match it up with rehab (which you keep conveniently leaving out because it screws with your whole bullshit narrative) and that' the most effective solution we've got. It's not a social experiment, it's tried and true. Quote Interestingly enough it's always the poor who pay the most for your social program. The higher your income the gentler the laws and enforcement. A lot more of them lived when 'my' social expseriment was the law - vastly more are dying under yours and new addicts are being born from the sale of safe drugs while the gangs make cash. You had your chance and you've utterly blown it. Just like the left did with clilmate change and every other social experiment they try. the poor have always done the best long term under the free market. Your left wing socialist crap is an utter failure wherever and whenever it's tried. It cannot stand the test of time. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 Just now, CdnFox said: Oh for sure. As you know all conservatives are evil people that only live to see others suffer. Nah, way deep down inside they're just big wet sloppy snowflakes. Quote Why is the left so bigoted and hate filled these days? The left used to be all about free love, now it's nothing but Costly hate Awww. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 9, 2024 Author Report Posted March 9, 2024 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Nah, way deep down inside they're just big wet sloppy snowflakes. Are you sure? You had made it pretty clear you considered them inhuman monsters incapable of empathy soo... Quote Awww. Joking aside - this is why the backlash against the left is building steam in the us and slowly in Canada , "You need to have respect for these poor addicts (who did this to themselves). and if we judge that you're not sad ENOUGH then we'll hate you!! What about respect for me? "Screw you man. " What the low thinking left such as yourself don't get is that everyone else pretty quick gets tired of that shit. And then they start saying "screw the addicts. IN fact screw the addicts, screw the poor, screw the trans and screw the needy. THen you'll crybaby all day about how could this possibly happen. Well kid - the answer is its' you. Trump 2024 - PP 2025, ford looks like hes' going to win again, the kids are abandoning the ndp, Conservative parties are picking up steam across the country - see you at the backlash Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: If there is a difference it's that people who would tend to be wealthy make better decisions than people who would tend to choose to be drug addicts. Bingo! Quote Prohibition has worked the best out of anything we've tried. It's failed as spectacularly as everything we've tried - notwithstanding creating better economic conditions that lead to better choices for everyone. We were doing pretty god at that for a while but then greed got out of hand. Quote Match it up with rehab (which you keep conveniently leaving out because it screws with your whole bullshit narrative) and that' the most effective solution we've got. It simply hasn't come up yet, in any case it matches up far better when addicts are less economically deprived. Quote It's not a social experiment, it's tried and true. It's a policy that's lazy and unproductive, not to mention hellishly expensive. Quote You had your chance and you've utterly blown it. Just like the left did with clilmate change and every other social experiment they try. Climate change is a left wing social experiment? You should lay off whatever you're smoking or stop bogarting it and pass over. Quote the poor have always done the best long term under the free market. Free of what exactly, a vast wealth defence industry on par with an industrial-complex? That's the biggest reason so many poor are poor in the fist place. Quote Your left wing socialist crap is an utter failure wherever and whenever it's tried. It cannot stand the test of time. Nah, that's just the 1%'s propaganda talking Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 (edited) 35 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Are you sure? You had made it pretty clear you considered them inhuman monsters incapable of empathy soo... No it was a little birdie who started down that path. 51 minutes ago, CdnFox said: As you know all conservatives are evil people that only live to see others suffer. Quote Joking aside - this is why the backlash against the left is building steam in the us and slowly in Canada What about respect for me? Awww. You want some ointment? Quote What the low thinking left such as yourself don't get is that everyone else pretty quick gets tired of that shit. And then they start saying "screw the addicts. IN fact screw the addicts, screw the poor, screw the trans and screw the needy. THen you'll crybaby all day about how could this possibly happen. Well kid - the answer is its' you. Trump 2024 - PP 2025, ford looks like hes' going to win again, the kids are abandoning the ndp, Conservative parties are picking up steam across the country - see you at the backlash I'll have my beer and popcorn ready. You bring whatever you're smoking. Edited March 9, 2024 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 9, 2024 Author Report Posted March 9, 2024 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: Bingo! LOL - well then you just admitted that your point was ... pointless the wealth isn't the issue. Quote It's failed as spectacularly as everything we've tried - notwithstanding creating better economic conditions that lead to better choices for everyone. We were doing pretty god at that for a while but then greed got out of hand. It worked pretty well actually. Sorry - i know that hurts your bias but it's true. Quote It simply hasn't come up yet, in any case it matches up far better when addicts are less economically deprived. Rehab? Sure it has Quote It's a policy that's lazy and unproductive, not to mention hellishly expensive. IT's very effective and cheaper than most of the alternatives. Sorry - i know you think it's being 'mean' to druggies but it works. Quote Climate change is a left wing social experiment? The response has been. But you knew that's what i meant, you're just feeling combative because you were wrong, Quote Free of what exactly, a vast wealth defence industry on par with an industrial-complex? That's the biggest reason so many poor are poor in the fist place. Free of the yoke of socialist policies which forever victimize them, and more people have freed themselves from poverty with the free market than any other model in history, Quote Nah, that's just the 1%'s propaganda talking Nah that's just your echo chamber safe space talking. Here -have a puppy. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
herbie Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 10 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Here in Ottawa, 2 of the safe injection sites are shut down because they cannot service all the addicts. well that's a stpid reason to shut them down, isn't it? Just about as stupid as wanting to shut them down because people who don't use them are still dying. 6 hours ago, Army Guy said: There already killing themselves, stop reviving them every 5 minutes and they will eventually die out.. 10 years ago that's what many people thought. Self solving problem if you don't want to stop people dying. But so many people had no clue there were so many users. They expected there were just as many total as have already died. Not such a great idea when some are your kid, your friend, your spouse, neighbour or relative. Quote
eyeball Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: LOL - well then you just admitted that your point was ... pointless the wealth isn't the issue. I was acknowledging your realization it makes a difference. You know what I meant, you're just bring combative. 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: It worked pretty well actually. Sorry - i know that hurts your bias but it's true. Cite. Oh, Singapore you mean? Bwahahaha! You don't want to get caught with bubble gum there either. 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: Rehab? Sure it has I guess I missed it. Like I said though the better off you are the better the treatment. 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: IT's very effective and cheaper than most of the alternatives. Sorry - i know you think it's being 'mean' to druggies but it works. I think what it does is compound the problem by creating the profit motive responsible for the criminality surrounding an unregulated therefore dangerous drug supply. 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: The response has been. But you knew that's what i meant, you're just feeling combative because you were wrong, If by response you mean carbon pricing, that was something Conservatives created. 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: Free of the yoke of socialist policies which forever victimize them, and more people have freed themselves from poverty with the free market than any other model in history, Kool aid. Edited March 9, 2024 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 9, 2024 Author Report Posted March 9, 2024 21 minutes ago, eyeball said: I was acknowledging your realization it makes a difference. You know what I meant, you're just bring combative. So - it doesn't make a difference and you're bitter about it Gotcha. Quote Cite. History. Quote I guess I missed it. Like I said though the better off you are the better the treatment. The carrot and the stick is more effective than either alone. Get treatment or go to jail Quote I think what it does is compound the problem by creating the profit motive responsible for the criminality surrounding an unregulated therefore dangerous drug supply. Nope. The fact is you can't regulate dangerous drugs. ANd suppling them for free just dumps drugs on the street It's that simple. You can't reduce muders by handing out free guns to the gangs Quote If by response you mean carbon pricing, that was something Conservatives created. And immediately rejected before implementing as a terrible idea. "Hey - here's a climate thing that could work lets look at it.. HMMMMM - ok this was stupid. this was one of our worst ideas. Throw that in the garbage, we're not that dumb. (crumple crumple toss). libearls - (digs through trash) "Heyyyyyyy what's this....... Sorry kiddo - its 100 percent on the liberals. Conservatives just weren't that stupid. it took liberal levels of woke stupidity to make it reality. Well done Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: And immediately rejected before implementing as a terrible idea. Yup. No courage, no conviction...you guys always give up and never see anything through. You talk big and act small. 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: History You said it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 9, 2024 Author Report Posted March 9, 2024 25 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yup. No courage, no conviction... No brain damage - which is what you'd need to think it was worth actually implementing it. "YOU GUYS LACK THE COURAGE TO IMPLEMENT A HORRIBLE IDEA!!! THE LIBERAL PARTY AND IT"S SUPPORTERS HAVE NO FEAR OF BEING STUPID!!! DERPPP!" LOL - well that IS an unusual flex, i'll give you that much. Yes, the liberal party has the courage to do horrible things and the conservatives are so cowardly they only stick to things that work and make sense. You got us. 27 minutes ago, eyeball said: You said it. Yea. now you go read it. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 19 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Yea. now you go read it. The cite I asked for? You still haven't posted it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 (edited) 10 hours ago, herbie said: well that's a stpid reason to shut them down, isn't it? Just about as stupid as wanting to shut them down because people who don't use them are still dying. 10 years ago that's what many people thought. Self solving problem if you don't want to stop people dying. But so many people had no clue there were so many users. They expected there were just as many total as have already died. Not such a great idea when some are your kid, your friend, your spouse, neighbour or relative. It is a waste of resources at all levels of government period...which could be used elsewhere. It does nothing to reduce drug usage, it has already been noted here it increases usage, by supplying free drugs to anyone that wants them...please explain how this is going to solve our drug crises...and why don't we give free booze out to alcoholics, becasue it does not work .... Stop...trying to invoke some emotional response...Taking drugs is a personal choice, if you don't already know the consequences of taking these drugs your a ******...and yet they still take them...knowing they will die sooner than later.........and that does not deter them from using does it...How does that become a problem for government...Today there are lots of programs designed to help addicts to quit and get the help they need...but the addict needs to want to get clean...once again it is a personal choice.... If it was my kid, my spouse,or relative , i would do everything in my power to ensure they don't use any drugs and if that means following them around 24/7 then so be it...or if that meant kidnaping them bringing them out to the back 40 to dry out then so be it...i would not stop ever... I've been very fortunate that none of my family has ever been lured into that world..and for that i am extremely grateful. Edited March 9, 2024 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted March 9, 2024 Author Report Posted March 9, 2024 1 hour ago, eyeball said: The cite I asked for? You still haven't posted it. It's out there kiddo. More learning less whining. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 35 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It's out there kiddo. Nah, yer full of shit. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 9, 2024 Author Report Posted March 9, 2024 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: Nah, yer full of shit. LOL - well you'll never know what knowlede is out there while you're hiding in your little echo chamber Sorry kid. "safe supply" has utterly and completely failed. Making it illegal and enforcing it is not perfect but its' a far more effective choice. If it's paired with solid rehab options then it's about as good as it gets. It must suck to be a leftie like you these days - your hero justin did a lot of the social experiments you were SO sure would work and they've all ended in utter disaster and collectively trashed the country. NOW you'll have to come up with all sorts of new fairy tales to tell yourself about how to make the world better Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 9, 2024 Report Posted March 9, 2024 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Making it illegal and enforcing it is not perfect but its' a far more effective choice Cite. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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