robosmith Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 The Real Reason Trump Loves Putin Quote For nearly the entirety of the past decade, a question has stalked, and sometimes consumed, American politics: Why do Donald Trump and his acolytes heap such reverent praise on Vladimir Putin? The question is born of disbelief. Adoration of the Russian leader, who murders his domestic opponents, kidnaps thousands of Ukrainian children, and interferes in American presidential elections, is so hard to comprehend that it seems only plausibly explained by venal motives—thus the search to find the supposed kompromat the Kremlin lords over Trump or compromising business deals that Trump has pursued in Moscow. But there’s a deeper, more nefarious truth about people on the right’s baffling unwillingness to criticize the Kremlin: They actually share its worldview. Putin worship isn’t even an aberration in the history of conservatism, merely the latest instance of a long tradition of admiring foreign dictators. Over the past century, without ever really blushing, the American right has similarly celebrated the likes of Adolf Hitler, Francisco Franco, and just about every Latin American military junta that called itself anti-communist. The right hails these dictators as ideological comrades in the war to preserve traditional society, the values of order and patriarchy, against the assault of the decadent left. Unlike conservative politicians in the United States, these foreign leaders don’t even need to bother with mouthing encomiums to concepts like tolerance, freedom, and democracy. They can deliver reactionary politics in the unvarnished form that some hard-liners on the American right have always hoped would take root in their own country. As the journalist Jacob Heilbrunn argues in America Last, his history of conservatives’ romance with dictators, Conservatives have searched for a paradise abroad that can serve as a model at home. ^This actually makes a lot of sense. As seen on a recent American Experience episode: Nazi Town, USA, German NAZIS were quite popular among the right here before WWII. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/nazi-town-usa/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted March 7 Author Report Share Posted March 7 Why Some Prefer Oligarchy and (🎶) What’s Russia got to do, got to do with it? (🎶) Quote In the 1930s, America’s right-wing wanted the United States to emulate Germany. Today, America’s right-wing wants the United States to emulate Putin’s Russia. Putin’s supporters don’t think worse of him because he made himself wealthy by seizing power and control of the nation’s resources. They think better of him. He’s strong enough and smart enough to able to reverse the evils of Western debauchery. He’s strong enough to keep order in Russia and to flex his muscles on the world stage. Similarly, Trump’s supporters don’t think worse of him because he made himself wealthy by cheating on taxes and laundering Russian money. They don’t think the wealthy should have to pay taxes and they believe liberty means the freedom to sell property to anyone at any price. And that, my dearies, is why the Republicans are willingly partnering with Russian oligarch-gangsters (and why they continue to support Trump). They are not being duped or fooled. They are not credulous mo rons being manipulated by the wily Russians. They are allies. I disagree. Many of the MAGA CULT are duped fools, and the wealthiest are the allies who believe they should have total control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suds Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 (edited) 3 hours ago, robosmith said: The Real Reason Trump Loves Putin ^This actually makes a lot of sense. As seen on a recent American Experience episode: Nazi Town, USA, German NAZIS were quite popular among the right here before WWII. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/nazi-town-usa/ Generally speaking the right support dictators that support capitalism, while the left support dictators that support communism. That is if you had to take a side between the two. Originally, fascism was seen to be as 'middle ground' between capitalism and socialism and deemed to be more experimental than a bad idea. Trump's investments in Russia may have had some affect on foreign policy, and so might whatever China has hanging over the heads of Joe and Hunter Biden today. It wasn't all that long ago either when the Democrats were in love with Putin, especially when the Clintons were padding their own pockets with Russian cash. And then everything changed when Hillary interfered with Russian elections, and in turn Putin interfered with U.S. elections. There's always reasons (not always in the country's best interests) why politicians do the things they do. Mostly it's a question of following the money. Edited March 8 by suds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted March 8 Author Report Share Posted March 8 23 minutes ago, suds said: Generally speaking the right support dictators that support capitalism, while the left support dictators that support communism. That is if you had to take a side between the two. Originally, fascism was seen to be as 'middle ground' between capitalism and socialism and deemed to be more experimental than a bad idea. Trump's investments in Russia may have had some affect on foreign policy, and so might whatever China has hanging over the heads of Joe and Hunter Biden today. It wasn't all that long ago either when the Democrats were in love with Putin, especially when the Clintons were padding their own pockets with Russian cash. And then everything changed when Hillary interfered with Russian elections, and in turn Putin interfered with U.S. elections. There's always reasons (not always in the country's best interests) why politicians do the things they do. Mostly it's a question of following the money. Never heard about "Clintons padding their pockets with Russian cash." You mean donations to the Clinton Foundation? That doesn't go into their pockets. At most Bill collected fees for speeches, like Reagan did with $2M from the Japanese. Really? How did Hillary "interfere with Russian elections," aside from commenting on their corruption which favored Putin? Putin did a lot more than that in 2016. Fascism has always been in bed with corporate interests; never tried for direct state ownership nor control except with spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 He's jealous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OftenWrong Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Trump loves Putin so much, he bombed his troops. Trump administration confirms the US military killed 'hundreds' of Russians in Syria Trump sent 'strong message' to Iran, Russia and Syria with missile strikes: White House spokesperson And he did it by HIMSELF, do you understand? That is to say, he ordered it to be done with American equipment and military force. NOT by proxy through a buncha washed up Nazi sad-sack Ukrainians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted March 8 Author Report Share Posted March 8 41 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Trump loves Putin so much, he bombed his troops. Trump administration confirms the US military killed 'hundreds' of Russians in Syria Trump sent 'strong message' to Iran, Russia and Syria with missile strikes: White House spokesperson And he did it by HIMSELF, do you understand? That is to say, he ordered it to be done with American equipment and military force. NOT by proxy through a buncha washed up Nazi sad-sack Ukrainians. "Trump confirmed"? Russia says he lied. Quote Russian officials said five citizens may have been killed but they had no relation to Russia's armed forces. The clashes show Moscow is more deeply involved in Syria militarily than it has said, and risks being drawn into direct confrontation with the United States in Syria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suds Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 (edited) 8 hours ago, robosmith said: Really? How did Hillary "interfere with Russian elections," aside from commenting on their corruption which favored Putin? Fiona Hill is a senior fellow and director at the Brookings Institute and former U.S. Intelligence Officer for Russia and Eurasia. In a July 2016 article posted by the Institute, Hill claims that as far as Putin and his inner circle were concerned, it was Secretary of State Clinton who enticed or financed the 2011-2012 protests directed against Putin when running for his 3rd term. Putin took this as a cover for regime change. To back this up, on March 20, 2017, former FBI James Comey testified before the House Intelligence Committee (about Russian interference in the 2016 election) that Putin hated Secretary Clinton and preferred Trump as President. Other sources claim that it was Trump or Bernie Sanders. **So, did Putin have a valid reason for interfering in the U.S. election? It certainly sounds to me as if he may have. The U.S. in particular doesn't exactly have a stellar record for NOT interfering in other countries' elections. But they sure get mad as hell when somebody does it to them. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/3-reasons-russias-vladimir-putin-might-want-to-interfere-in-the-u-s-presidential-elections/ Edited March 8 by suds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suds Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 (edited) 9 hours ago, robosmith said: Fascism has always been in bed with corporate interests; never tried for direct state ownership nor control except with spending. Fascism has never considered the state and 'corporate interests' to be treated as equals. As with communism, the state controls everything. But as I've mentioned once before there's little difference between fascism allowing private ownership of the means of production and those in charge to take profits, and communism which doesn't allow private ownership but gives those in charge hefty bonuses. The difference is that Communism is more ideologically driven while fascism doesn't care about ownership only about control. If one had to make a choice between fascist and communist economics, fascism makes a lot more sense. China, for example, has come to realize that. It's not really capitalism either is it when the state owns 51% (for control) and not the barrel of a gun. Edited March 8 by suds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Well, insights into an egomaniac's mind can be complicated but there can be little doubt of the outcome: Vlad is a "savvy genius". That's your bloodthirsty totalitarian thug who invades neighbors on a whim and kills his political opponents. Blind wouldn't see it of course, and a brain dead couldn't comprehend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 5 hours ago, robosmith said: "Trump confirmed"? Russia says he lied. If I had a gun to my head and I had to believe Trump or Russia or die, I would take my chances with Trump's words being an ego inflated version of the truth. Putin's "its safe enough" description of Russian covid 19 vaccines being doled out, would immediately have me fearing for my life after inoculations. Also the fact he only vaccinated one of his children. Trump telling me its safe, would have me believing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted March 8 Author Report Share Posted March 8 7 hours ago, Perspektiv said: If I had a gun to my head and I had to believe Trump or Russia or die, I would take my chances with Trump's words being an ego inflated version of the truth. Sure. And as proven in court, his "inflated version of the truth" is HUGELY INFLATED. Like his LIES about how many Russians were killed in Syria. His 300 is way too many and Putin's 5 is way too few. But I believe Putin when he says they were mercenaries and NOT Russian troops. 7 hours ago, Perspektiv said: Putin's "its safe enough" description of Russian covid 19 vaccines being doled out, would immediately have me fearing for my life after inoculations. Also the fact he only vaccinated one of his children. Trump telling me its safe, would have me believing it. You're a fool if you believe ANYTHING Trump or Putin says. Perhaps you missed Trump's confession to Bob Woodward on tape, in which he admitted he KNEW his public pronouncements on COVID were LIES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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