Moonbox Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: However...My "differnet version of reality" happens to be the one most people live in and with. Your version of reality is a meandering river of coping, goal-post shifting and re-imagining past events. It takes a special kind of deluded clown to conclude that Russia's original vision of victory was to see their army shattered and hobbled against an enemy 1/4 their strength, to see them isolated and have their consumer economy blown out, and for their already steep and catastrophic demographic decline accelerated all in exchange for some rubble in Ukraine's east. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 minute ago, Moonbox said: Your version of reality is a meandering river of coping, goal-post shifting and re-imagining past events. It takes a special kind of deluded clown to conclude that Russia's original vision of victory was to see their army shattered and hobbled against an enemy 1/4 their strength, to see them isolated and have their consumer economy blown out, and for their already steep and catastrophic demographic decline accelerated all in exchange for some rubble in Ukraine's east. And yet...as predicted by pretty much everyone not engaged in fantasy...Russia is winning...gaining ground daily...have surrounded and are now slaughtering those in the Kursk county...and are about to sit down with the new POTUS to work out a peace deal. Have a warm and fuzzy day... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: And yet...as predicted by pretty much everyone not engaged in fantasy...Russia is winning...gaining ground daily...have surrounded and are now slaughtering those in the Kursk county... Yes, yes, you predicted in June last year, Russia would still be trying to dislodge Ukraine from Kursk in 2025. You predicted that "gaining ground daily" would mean losing 1000 soldiers a day or whatever so that the map of control today looks almost the exact same as it did two years ago. Impressive! You predicted that Trump would be saying Russia is not doing well, that its economy was failing, and that he would be threatening Putin with sanctions. R-ri-right!? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 34 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Yes, yes, you predicted in June last year, Russia would still be trying to dislodge Ukraine from Kursk in 2025. You predicted that "gaining ground daily" would mean losing 1000 soldiers a day or whatever so that the map of control today looks almost the exact same as it did two years ago. Impressive! You predicted that Trump would be saying Russia is not doing well, that its economy was failing, and that he would be threatening Putin with sanctions. R-ri-right!? Right. I was right because I live in reality...and you were wrong because you live in a fantasy. I'm glad we agree. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 I can admit what I was wrong about. I was wrong about how long the Russian donkey peasants would meekly and cheaply throw their lives away to achieve almost nothing. 2 years and hundreds of thousands of casualties, and the front lines haven't even really moved. You, on the other hand, need to continually adjust your goalposts as you keep getting everything wrong, and comically distort reality to convince yourself that the most humiliating military failure of the last 75 years was somehow a success. 🤡 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 9 hours ago, Moonbox said: I can admit what I was wrong about. I was wrong about how long the Russian donkey peasants would meekly and cheaply throw their lives away to achieve almost nothing. 2 years and hundreds of thousands of casualties, and the front lines haven't even really moved. You, on the other hand, need to continually adjust your goalposts as you keep getting everything wrong, and comically distort reality to convince yourself that the most humiliating military failure of the last 75 years was somehow a success. 🤡 And yet...my predictions are coming to pass and yours...not so much. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 15 minutes ago, Nationalist said: And yet...my predictions are coming to pass and yours...not so much. Which predictions are those? Europe freezing in the winter of 2022/2023? Russia taking Odessa? 🤡🤡 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 (edited) 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: Which predictions are those? Europe freezing in the winter of 2022/2023? Russia taking Odessa? 🤡🤡 That Ukraine cannot possible take back any lost territory. That Ukraine has not been "winning" anything. That the Kursk invasion was doomed to fail. That this will end with a peace agreement in which Russia keeps the land they've taken. The last one is likely going to be a negotiated peace between Trump and Putin, then imposed on Zelinsky. Oh and...Europe did have energy shortages and have now fired up some coal generators I understand. You were wrong about that one too but hey...being wrong is what you do so...ya...there's that. Edited January 31 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Nationalist said: That Ukraine cannot possible take back any lost territory. They already have, in addition to territory they've taken in Russia. 33 minutes ago, Nationalist said: That Ukraine has not been "winning" anything. If Russia is failing at its goals, what do you call it then? 33 minutes ago, Nationalist said: That the Kursk invasion was doomed to fail. What was the goal of the Kurks incursion? Do you believe that the Ukrainians actually planned on annexing it or something? If nothing else, it showed how weak and vulnerable Russia is. 33 minutes ago, Nationalist said: That this will end with a peace agreement in which Russia keeps the land they've taken. Maybe? Probably? Still, that's another universe from your prediction of Russia capturing Odessa, isn't it? You prediction record is always going to be perfect if you ignore all the times you were hilariously wrong. 33 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Oh and...Europe did have energy shortages and have now fired up some coal generators I understand. You were wrong about that one too but hey...being wrong is what you do so...ya...there's that. There's that delusional coping again. When you said Europe was going to freeze, what you actually meant was they were going to have to fire up coal generators? Ooookay buddyretard. Edited January 31 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 43 minutes ago, Moonbox said: They already have, in addition to territory they've taken in Russia. If Russia is failing at its goals, what do you call it then? What was the goal of the Kurks incursion? Do you believe that the Ukrainians actually planned on annexing it or something? If nothing else, it showed how weak and vulnerable Russia is. Maybe? Probably? Still, that's another universe from your prediction of Russia capturing Odessa, isn't it? You prediction record is always going to be perfect if you ignore all the times you were hilariously wrong. There's that delusional coping again. When you said Europe was going to freeze, what you actually meant was they were going to have to fire up coal generators? Ooookay buddyretard. LOL...Boy you sure don't like admitting when you've been wrong. Meh...some boys never become men. There will be a peace deal...Ukraine is certain;y not winning anything... Have a nice weekend young boy. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: LOL...Boy you sure don't like admitting when you've been wrong. Meh...some boys never become men. You don't like answering questions, when you know the answers make you look stupid. Clowns will be clowns I guess. 🤡🤡 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Moonbox said: You don't like answering questions, when you know the answers make you look stupid. Clowns will be clowns I guess. 🤡🤡 Ahhh moonbat...I'm not really surprised. Go stomp your feet and carry on for a while. I'm sure that sort of thing helps little boys deal with disappointment. Edited January 31 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Surprised by what? That you've had to retreat to inane, nonsensical quipping as soon as your clownworld reality gets challenged? Don't be. There's 61 pages of you doing that here. 🤡🤡🤡 1 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 Ukraine wins by surviving and continuing the struggle to regain lost territory. The disparity in motivation between the two sides is stark. The Russians will have to go home in the end. 1 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 On 1/31/2025 at 10:31 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: Ukraine wins by surviving and continuing the struggle to regain lost territory. The disparity in motivation between the two sides is stark. The Russians will have to go home in the end. You make it sound like Ukraine is gaining ground in what use to be Ukrainian territory, perhaps you can give some examples of Ukraine gaining ground that used to be Ukraine....Kurst pocket is russian territory, and yes they have made small gains there but they have lost almost 1/2 of what they once had...The map in the link below shows all of that... Everyday Ukraine is losing ground to the Russians be it one meter or several kms, this has been going on for months yes Russia is losing manpower and equipment and is paying for each inch of ground...But Russia does not care how many orks die or how much equipment is lost...But this is not one sided, Ukraine is losing men and equipment as well faster than the west can replace it...Unless NATO steps up with more equipment and supplies Ukraine is not going to win this... Ukrainian forces advance 5 km into Russia’s Kursk region during assault – ISW Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Army Guy said: You make it sound like Ukraine is gaining ground in what use to be Ukrainian territory, perhaps you can give some examples of Ukraine gaining ground that used to be Ukraine....Kurst pocket is russian territory, and yes they have made small gains there but they have lost almost 1/2 of what they once had...The map in the link below shows all of that... Everyday Ukraine is losing ground to the Russians be it one meter or several kms, this has been going on for months yes Russia is losing manpower and equipment and is paying for each inch of ground...But Russia does not care how many orks die or how much equipment is lost...But this is not one sided, Ukraine is losing men and equipment as well faster than the west can replace it...Unless NATO steps up with more equipment and supplies Ukraine is not going to win this... Ukrainian forces advance 5 km into Russia’s Kursk region during assault – ISW It certainly isn’t my intention to sound like that. IMO Russia could occupy all of Ukraine and still lose in the end. In foreign wars the invader has a significant motivational deficit. At some point continuing the war will not be possible for them. Edited February 7 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
User Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: You make it sound like Ukraine is gaining ground in what use to be Ukrainian territory, perhaps you can give some examples of Ukraine gaining ground that used to be Ukraine.... Here we go again... Ukraine pushed Russia from surrounding Kiev at the outset of the war, pushed them out of Odessa You want to look at this war with a microscope, acting like the timelines only exist where Russia and Ukraine lines of defense mostly settled in and that only Russia is winning in their slow daily grind that you routinely brag about that will take another 100 years at this rate... 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: But Russia does not care how many orks die or how much equipment is lost... They do feel this pain. They are struggling to keep up, they have to scrape up men to fight this war, and they have had to go to extraordinary lengths, even bringing in North Koreans and making deals with them for Artillery. 2 Quote
Army Guy Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 16 minutes ago, User said: Here we go again... Ukraine pushed Russia from surrounding Kiev at the outset of the war, pushed them out of Odessa You want to look at this war with a microscope, acting like the timelines only exist where Russia and Ukraine lines of defense mostly settled in and that only Russia is winning in their slow daily grind that you routinely brag about that will take another 100 years at this rate... They do feel this pain. They are struggling to keep up, they have to scrape up men to fight this war, and they have had to go to extraordinary lengths, even bringing in North Koreans and making deals with them for Artillery. You can't argue with facts.... Sure , but today Russia is taking ground on a day to day basis....why is that ? Ukraine forces are exhausted, low on manpower and supplies....which have been a constant problem in this war.. The facts speak for themselves, Is russia constantly taking ground ? Yes it is...Is it slow yes it is, do you think that time line is a russian concern, it does not seem to... Russian chain of command are not worried about the "PAIN" as you call it, they have been losing men and equipment at these steady rates for almost a year now, and still no signs of giving up....One could say the same thing about Ukraine going to extraordinary efforts...my question is for how long....Ukraine does not have the same amount of manpower to draw from nor does it have a constant supply of NATO equipment... Bringing in NK soldiers...is not a campaign winner is it...Russia just announced another massive recruit program of another 200,000 soldiers...even that is not a campaign winner.... I think the biggest wild card is trump, and which direction he is going, this is going to effect Ukraine a lot. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
User Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: You can't argue with facts.... You asked what territory Ukraine regained, I gave you facts. 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Sure , but today Russia is taking ground on a day to day basis....why is that ? Ukraine forces are exhausted, low on manpower and supplies....which have been a constant problem in this war.. So... why isn't Russia just steamrolling all the way to Kiev right now? Oh yeah, because Ukraine forces are still stout enough to grind Russia down and Rusisan forces are not strong enough to just roll over them. Oh hey... here we are many months later, what ever happened to that mysterious force Putin had sitting around just waiting to take Kursk back? 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: The facts speak for themselves, Is russia constantly taking ground ? Yes it is...Is it slow yes it is, do you think that time line is a russian concern, it does not seem to... The facts show that this is a war with ebb and flows and that Ukraine has retaken land throughout the war including Russian territory... which you seemed to be ignorant of as you demanded to be told what ground they have taken. 6 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Russian chain of command are not worried about the "PAIN" as you call it How many members of that chain have been killed or replaced now? LOL Yes, they do in fact worry. This notion that Putin is just mindlessly sending men in to die with no cares is BS. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: It certainly isn’t my intention to sound like that. IMO Russia could occupy all of Ukraine and still lose in the end. In foreign wars the invader has a significant motivational deficit. At some point continuing the war will not be possible for them. Anything is possible,NATO could enter the conflict with troops and equipment on the ground....but Thats not going to happen.... but i don't think Russia is going to give up any of ukraine that it has paid such a high price for... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 1 minute ago, User said: You asked what territory Ukraine regained, I gave you facts. So... why isn't Russia just steamrolling all the way to Kiev right now? Oh yeah, because Ukraine forces are still stout enough to grind Russia down and Rusisan forces are not strong enough to just roll over them. Oh hey... here we are many months later, what ever happened to that mysterious force Putin had sitting around just waiting to take Kursk back? The facts show that this is a war with ebb and flows and that Ukraine has retaken land throughout the war including Russian territory... which you seemed to be ignorant of as you demanded to be told what ground they have taken. How many members of that chain have been killed or replaced now? LOL Yes, they do in fact worry. This notion that Putin is just mindlessly sending men in to die with no cares is BS. Over the last year, Russia has made steady progress on gaining fresh ground in ukraine... I don't know why , i do not have access to what they are thinking or doing...all i know is over the last year Russia has and is pushing Ukraine back...Why is Ukraine not strong enough to hold them from gaining any ground.... Well that force has taken back more than half of the original Ukrainian push into kurst...and once again i don't know why they haven't taken it all back, but your talking about one or two small points on the map Russian gains have been across most of the front... Lots , do you think that makes a difference to Putin or his upper chain of command....not really.... BS to you, if they were worried about it don't you think they would change up the tactics, even strategy...Russia is concerned about progress nothing else...If they were concerned about losses you would think they would give there guys more training, instead they are throwing raw recruits into the front lines....you were military how effective is a raw recruit...not very effective hence the high cas rate...SO maybe they are concerned just not enough right now to change anything... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
User Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 6 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Over the last year, Russia has made steady progress on gaining fresh ground in ukraine... And is still over 100 years away from taking Ukraine. And? Some of this is not fresh, they were pushed back during the outset of the war. Some of this is land Ukraine took in Russia. 7 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I don't know why , i do not have access to what they are thinking or doing... WHAT?!??!?! But you have repeatedly asserted that you know what they are thinking in not caring about the pain and losses they are taking. 8 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Well that force has taken back more than half of the original Ukrainian push into kurst...and once again i don't know why they haven't taken it all back, but your talking about one or two small points on the map Russian gains have been across most of the front... I bring this up to point out the stupidity of your assertions in the past... a long time ago now, where you were all too sure Russia was going to quickly take it all back. 8 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Lots , do you think that makes a difference to Putin or his upper chain of command....not really.... Make up your mind... now you know what Putin is thinking? Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 35 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Anything is possible,NATO could enter the conflict with troops and equipment on the ground....but Thats not going to happen.... but i don't think Russia is going to give up any of ukraine that it has paid such a high price for... Putin isn’t going to last forever. His successor won’t have the same need to hold onto stolen territory. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 1 hour ago, User said: And is still over 100 years away from taking Ukraine. And? Some of this is not fresh, they were pushed back during the outset of the war. Some of this is land Ukraine took in Russia. WHAT?!??!?! But you have repeatedly asserted that you know what they are thinking in not caring about the pain and losses they are taking. I bring this up to point out the stupidity of your assertions in the past... a long time ago now, where you were all too sure Russia was going to quickly take it all back. Make up your mind... now you know what Putin is thinking? SO...Are they taking ground on a daily basis or not ? Again so what... Is russia now taking it back now? This is a reach even for you....how do you explain them taking heavy cas , and continuing that trend for over a year now....do you really think they are worried about loss of manpower ? 2+2 has always equalled 4 you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out....what would your impression be if your CO decided to use the same tactics over and over again eating up troops would you think he cared or did not give a flying F#ck.... I did not say they would take it back fast , but rather would take it back, the map is a couple posts up, they have taken more than 1/2 of the original Ukrainian push... but hey it was only a stupid assertion right... If you continue the same practices over and over again regardless of results is that an indication of caring or don't give a f%ck . Again i don't have to know what putin is thinking , this one even capt obvious could see... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 7 Report Posted February 7 1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Putin isn’t going to last forever. His successor won’t have the same need to hold onto stolen territory. 100 % right everyone has a expiry date attached to their name...I don't think in Russia's mind it is stolen land but anything is possible...you see that happening anytime soon ? Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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