The National child day care plan is it working or another Liberal failure...

[Army Guy]

 

This one social program cost billions to maintain, but is it producing the results the left thought it would, well according to most private operators in the child day dare industry are saying it is a big failure, and may need a lot of tweaking before it becomes sustainable for private operators or....pump billions more into the program and turn private operators into government offices with federal employees...

 LAU: Trudeau-Smith child-care system squeezing private operators (msn.com)

[BeaverFever]

On 1/10/2024 at 1:52 PM, Army Guy said:

 

This one social program cost billions to maintain, but is it producing the results the left thought it would, well according to most private operators in the child day dare industry are saying it is a big failure, and may need a lot of tweaking before it becomes sustainable for private operators or....pump billions more into the program and turn private operators into government offices with federal employees...

 LAU: Trudeau-Smith child-care system squeezing private operators (msn.com)

Typical Fraser Institute propaganda you would expect from the Sun.  I haven’t read anything about how the program is currently fairing but the article in the OP is almost word-for-word what the right wing said 60 years ago when we brought in public healthcare. “But the business profits!”  The article doesn’t mention anything about how it might be helping (or harming) actual people in need of childcare. Like all Fraser Institute nonsense it’s always only about profits, never about people.   

Also notice the continued deceptive language with use of “and the families they serve” as if the “entrepreneurs” and the families struggling to pay them are on the same side and are 100% simpatico on the subject. Here watch me do it: “Food safety regulations, which are openly hostile to the private for-profit sector, remain a calamity for restaurant entrepreneurs and the families they serve.” Or  “Vehicle safety regulations, which are openly hostile to the private for-profit sector, remain a calamity for used car entrepreneurs and the families they serve”. Or “Public sanitation, which is openly hostile to the private for-profit sector, remains a calamity for waste management entrepreneurs and the families they serve”

[Army Guy]

According to you this is all false news then...Perhaps you can show a source that states the opposite...Lets also not forget that with the exception of Quebec, Federal child care is only available right now to those that qualify, and not the entire population, it also restricts the price that can be charged to 10 dollars a day,per child  so most canadians are still paying full price for daycare, much higher than that, now if your asking me are they gouging young families, i'd say yes......but then again what other option do they have...but 10 dollars is not going to cut it...and you'll find other day cares will charge what ever they want for more services offered... once these 10 dollar daycares fill up, 

regulations also restrict how many children can one qualified care giver look after....which here in NB is restricted to 6 children per adult...when you start doing the math there is not much profit left after you take our wages, rent, supplies, etc....

Now if it was government run with government funding then wages and rent, would not be a factor, but it is not run that way...for many reasons...

 

[blackbird]

On 1/10/2024 at 10:52 AM, Army Guy said:

 

This one social program cost billions to maintain, but is it producing the results the left thought it would, well according to most private operators in the child day dare industry are saying it is a big failure, and may need a lot of tweaking before it becomes sustainable for private operators or....pump billions more into the program and turn private operators into government offices with federal employees...

 LAU: Trudeau-Smith child-care system squeezing private operators (msn.com)

It would be interesting to know much of the annual amount being spent actually reaches the child day care operators and what percentage is taken off for administering it?

[August1991]

On 1/10/2024 at 1:52 PM, Army Guy said:

 

This one social program cost billions to maintain, but is it producing the results the left thought it would

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PEI is not like Alberta or Nfld.

As a federal justice minister once famously said, I paraphrase, the federal government has no business in the affairs of raising children.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Typical Fraser Institute propaganda you would expect from the Sun.  I haven’t read anything about how the program is currently fairing but the article in the OP is almost word-for-word what the right wing said 60 years ago when we brought in public healthcare.

Dude.... why? Why do you have to make shit up like that?

60 years ago we HAD public health care - every province had their own, we didn't suddenly GET public health care... the point of nationalizing it was to level the money field. The feds would collect taxes, and then pay for 50 percent of the health care costs so that provinces that had less taxable revenues would still have the same service and canadians could count on the same level of care across the land.  It's STILL administered by the provinces!

And at the moment we DO have one of the worst health care systems in the industrial world. France, britian germany all have more private healthcare mixed in and do far better. So there's validity to the argument - our heath care system isn't very good and many provinces are looking at going to more private care.

If you can't address the actual points then what's the point at all?

Right now it's not going great - theres no where near enough spaces and provinces are very slow to expand - so you're going to have a real problem if day care providers shut down and there's no gov't replacement.  How  do you address that?

 

[August1991]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Dude.... why? Why do you have to make shit up like that?

60 years ago we HAD public health care - every province had their own, we didn't suddenly GET public health care... the point of nationalizing it was to level the money field. The feds would collect taxes, and then pay for 50 percent of the health care costs so that provinces that had less taxable revenues would still have the same service and canadians could count on the same level of care across the land.  It's STILL administered by the provinces!

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Nationalizing? What a term.

In fact, each provincial government designed its own health system.

Each province is different.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Nationalizing? What a term.

In fact, each provincial government designed its own health system.

Each province is different.

You may be unaware of the canada health act. It is a national act.

It mostly addresses funding but it does require performances from the provinces. They are not able to fully independently design their own system at all. Unless they want to give up the health transfers - but the feds  will still keep taxing the citizens for it

[Army Guy]

21 hours ago, August1991 said:

PEI is not like Alberta or Nfld.

As a federal justice minister once famously said, I paraphrase, the federal government has no business in the affairs of raising children.

 

Not sure what the PEI mention is about it is not mentioned in the article or in my posts....perhaps some context , as always you posts are cryptic

And yet the Federal government literal has hundreds of laws in place to do just that...recently LGBTQ lobby groups and the federal government are saying parents don't have the rights to hear about what children are doing at school....how is that not interfering in how children are raised...

[August1991]

On 1/18/2024 at 5:35 PM, Army Guy said:

Not sure what the PEI mention is about it is not mentioned in the article or in my posts....perhaps some context , as always you posts are cryptic

And yet the Federal government literal has hundreds of laws in place to do just that...recently LGBTQ lobby groups and the federal government are saying parents don't have the rights to hear about what children are doing at school....how is that not interfering in how children are raised...

Army Guy.

IMHO, child care should be a provincial issue.

We once had a federal Prime Minister who understood a federal State.  

[August1991]

On 1/17/2024 at 9:17 PM, CdnFox said:

You may be unaware of the canada health act. It is a national act.

It mostly addresses funding but it does require performances from the provinces. They are not able to fully independently design their own system at all. Unless they want to give up the health transfers - but the feds  will still keep taxing the citizens for it

The Canada Health Act was federal - 70 years later, it poses problems.

Like our pension scheme (CPP) or the US Social Security, some 70 years or so later, it doesn't work.

Like the Soviet Union. After 70 years, it doesn't work. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, August1991 said:

The Canada Health Act was federal - 70 years later, it poses problems.

Ahhh, so you HAVE heard of it  

[August1991]

On 1/20/2024 at 1:28 AM, CdnFox said:

Ahhh, so you HAVE heard of it  

Canada has equalisation payments. I understand the logic: We don't want people moving around wastefully, seeking  tax/social benefits.  (But in effect, the Quebec government can tax individuals in Alberta.)

But carry the idea to the international level (CIDA, World Bank, norad.no, UN) and we are allowing corrupt regimes to tax us.

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Federal Health Act? Bureaucrats in Ottawa know nothing - nothing - about health issues in PEI.

Gimme a break.  

Edited January 22, 2024 by August1991