death anxiety is the reason that our ego's fiercly support the lies of our belief system

[godzilla]

Sheldon Solomon speaks about Terror Management

Terror Management Theory

[French Patriot]

15 hours ago, godzilla said:

Sheldon Solomon speaks about Terror Management

Terror Management Theory

Hell is Christianity's Terror Management and they keep that lie going for crowd control.

I have seen a few preachers tell the truth about hell, and they tend to lose followers as Christians love to hate all who do not cow tow as they do to their imaginary genocidal P of a God.

Christians must support genocide, or go to hell. What a choice.

[myata]

More ancient than that, great ape herd genes.

[French Patriot]

32 minutes ago, myata said:

More ancient than that, great ape herd genes.

??

They had a hell concept?

Wow.

[myata]

11 hours ago, French Patriot said:

They had a hell concept?

No, the herd concept. With the emergence of abstract consciousness a detachment from the herd, painful and frightful can naturally translate to what abstract symbol?

Edited December 15, 2023 by myata

[Yakuda]

On 12/14/2023 at 12:00 PM, French Patriot said:

Hell is Christianity's Terror Management and they keep that lie going for crowd control.

I have seen a few preachers tell the truth about hell, and they tend to lose followers as Christians love to hate all who do not cow tow as they do to their imaginary genocidal P of a God.

Christians must support genocide, or go to hell. What a choice.

Hell is a choice. Your choice. No I one is forced to believe anything as evidenced by your disbelief. 

[French Patriot]

5 hours ago, Yakuda said:

Hell is a choice. Your choice. No I one is forced to believe anything as evidenced by your disbelief. 

You read me wrong.

If there is a God, as I have scriptures quoting, he would make all souls equally perfect, as befits a God.

I also know why Christians sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to God's plan. 

This is true for nature as well as Yahweh.

What sin could possibly be so huge that anyone could do to earn hell?

Which soul could God have screwed up on so badly that it would screw up his perfect creating method stats?

By how many % points is God less than perfect?

[French Patriot]

6 hours ago, Yakuda said:

Hell is a choice.

Wrong, according to scriptures. I have a TLDR for you.

Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ

Those quotes seem to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

[Yakuda]

1 minute ago, French Patriot said:

You read me wrong.

If there is a God, as I have scriptures quoting, he would make all souls equally perfect, as befits a God.

I also know why Christians sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to God's plan. 

This is true for nature as well as Yahweh.

What sin could possibly be so huge that anyone could do to earn hell?

Which soul could God have screwed up on so badly that it would screw up his perfect creating method stats?

By how many % points is God less than perfect?

Let's start with the first one. Who says God would make every would perfect?

2 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Wrong, according to scriptures. I have a TLDR for you.

Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ

Those quotes seem to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

I dont know what tdlr is so didn't read last that

[French Patriot]

Just now, Yakuda said:

Let's start with the first one. Who says God would make every would perfect?

Are you suggesting that an omni everything God would plan on imperfection and failure  and not the best success of his creations?

Do you plan for failure or success?

If perfection and success, you already think better than some Gods.

[Yakuda]

32 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Are you suggesting that an omni everything God would plan on imperfection and failure  and not the best success of his creations?

Do you plan for failure or success?

If perfection and success, you already think better than some Gods.

He may plan what you call imperfection and failure but no one is interested in what you think is imperfect and a failure. 

This is precisely the problem, God doesnt do what you think he should do so he must be wrong. How long ago did you kick God out of your chair? 

[French Patriot]

34 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

He may plan what you call imperfection and failure but no one is interested in what you think is imperfect and a failure. 

This is precisely the problem, God doesnt do what you think he should do so he must be wrong. How long ago did you kick God out of your chair? 

The moment I saw that I had to save those so immoral as to love and adore a genocidal homophobic and evil God.

Condemn that immoral SOB, or be seen as one.

[TreeBeard]

7 hours ago, Yakuda said:

Hell is a choice. Your choice. No I one is forced to believe anything as evidenced by your disbelief. 

Didn’t God create hell set out the rules for who goes to hell?  
 

[Yakuda]

13 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Didn’t God create hell set out the rules for who goes to hell?  
 

Yes and yes but you choose to go to hell. 

[Yakuda]

17 hours ago, French Patriot said:

The moment I saw that I had to save those so immoral as to love and adore a genocidal homophobic and evil God.

Condemn that immoral SOB, or be seen as one.

Seen by who? You? You can be absolutely certain of one thing, there isn't anything I care less about than how I'm seen by you or anyone not on the list of 5 people whose opinion of me matters to me. 

[French Patriot]

4 hours ago, Yakuda said:

Seen by who? You? You can be absolutely certain of one thing, there isn't anything I care less about than how I'm seen by you or anyone not on the list of 5 people whose opinion of me matters to me. 

Sympathies for your lack of pride.