Trump claims immunity from ANYTHING!

[robosmith]

11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Hunter's dad is a f*cking liar and an illegitimate president. If we can link Hunter's criminal activities to his daddy, then perhaps they can be bunkmates in prison. It wouldn't even take special consideration for a former president in prison, because the liar cheated in the 2020 election - they could just hang out for a while in general pop. 

You have gone from "evidence linking Joe... will appear any day now," to ^this full Qanon crazy train BULLSHIT still without any evidence.

Thanks for revealing your MAGA CULT insider crazy.

[Deluge]

13 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You have gone from "evidence linking Joe... will appear any day now," to ^this full Qanon crazy train BULLSHIT still without any evidence.

Thanks for revealing your MAGA CULT insider crazy.

Sometimes you have to wait, robochild.

One day when you mature emotionally, spiritually and intellectually, you'll understand that you can't have everything you want when you want it.

[robosmith]

27 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Sometimes you have to wait, robochild.

Sometimes you have to back track from DELUGINAL.

27 minutes ago, Deluge said:

One day when you mature emotionally, spiritually and intellectually, you'll understand that you can't have everything you want when you want it.

I already have and get everything I want. Eventually it goes on sale.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Rebound said:

I am certain that Trump is guilty of the crimes which he has been indicted for. 

However, he is not convicted until a jury says so. That’s how the US system of justice works. Surprised you didn’t know that.

Then you have lost your rationality on the subject and have moved on to self delusion. You cannot rationally be certain  or even mostly certain.  The evidence has not been tested in a court of law, you're not even a lawyer who might know all the ins and outs of what's involved with offending those laws.  Seriously -  how can anyone take your opinion seriously when you're admitting you've stopped thinking about it rationally and have succumbed to mob mentality and self delusion? THe MOST you can say is that based on what you've seen so far and your understanding of the law you believe he's guilty or perhaps that he appears guilty - but it's not rational to say you're sure.

I just don't understand what has happened to the american brain. You guys used to be fairly intelligent people. Now it seems people pick a side and the ability to think at a level higher than that of a labradoodle is out the window.

He's been charged, he hasn't been convicted or been to trial, lets see what happens there and what the outcome is.  Assuming the trial proceed in a timely fashion of course.

[Rebound]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Then you have lost your rationality on the subject and have moved on to self delusion. You cannot rationally be certain  or even mostly certain.  The evidence has not been tested in a court of law, you're not even a lawyer who might know all the ins and outs of what's involved with offending those laws.  Seriously -  how can anyone take your opinion seriously when you're admitting you've stopped thinking about it rationally and have succumbed to mob mentality and self delusion? THe MOST you can say is that based on what you've seen so far and your understanding of the law you believe he's guilty or perhaps that he appears guilty - but it's not rational to say you're sure.

I just don't understand what has happened to the american brain. You guys used to be fairly intelligent people. Now it seems people pick a side and the ability to think at a level higher than that of a labradoodle is out the window.

He's been charged, he hasn't been convicted or been to trial, lets see what happens there and what the outcome is.  Assuming the trial proceed in a timely fashion of course.

Because I read the indictments, which lay out the crimes and the evidence proving that the crimes occurred.  
 

And Trump’s defense so far has been terrible.  He hasn’t once defended himself against the accusations. Instead he’s made ridiculous claims, such as, “I invisibly declassified the documents through a standing order which no-one ever heard of” to “the President has Absolute Immunity against any criminal prosecution for crimes committed while in office,” to “DOJ is weaponized” (duh… of course justice is a weapon), to “the judge, clerk, witnesses, and their families are… [insult of the day]”

[Rebound]

18 hours ago, Deluge said:

Hunter's dad is a f*cking liar and an illegitimate president. If we can link Hunter's criminal activities to his daddy, then perhaps they can be bunkmates in prison. It wouldn't even take special consideration for a former president in prison, because the liar cheated in the 2020 election - they could just hang out for a while in general pop. 

No evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election.

But there is plenty of evidence — and now a court ruling — that Trump instigated an insurrection against the U.S. government, that he raped a woman, and that his company committed widespread financial fraud. And plenty or evidence that he kept highly classified documents and hid them the government in defiance of a subpoena.  

Edited December 13, 2023 by Rebound

[Deluge]

31 minutes ago, Rebound said:

No evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election.

But there is plenty of evidence — and now a court ruling — that Trump instigated an insurrection against the U.S. government, that he raped a woman, and that his company committed widespread financial fraud. And plenty or evidence that he kept highly classified documents and hid them the government in defiance of a subpoena.  

No evidence of widespread fraud yet. 

No, there is plenty of manufactured evidence for the Left's number one political target. If the democrat party can't throw Trump into prison, then they might have to get more drastic. My hope is that they don't start another civil war. 

[Rebound]

51 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No evidence of widespread fraud yet. 

No, there is plenty of manufactured evidence for the Left's number one political target. If the democrat party can't throw Trump into prison, then they might have to get more drastic. My hope is that they don't start another civil war. 

No evidence yet? So Trump has all the evidence and he’s been hiding it all along?

[Deluge]

24 minutes ago, Rebound said:

No evidence yet? So Trump has all the evidence and he’s been hiding it all along?

No WIDESPREAD evidence yet. Do you not read your own words? 

There's all kinds of evidence on a smaller scale: 

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=All&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All&page=1

[Rebound]

4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No WIDESPREAD evidence yet. Do you not read your own words? 

There's all kinds of evidence on a smaller scale: 

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=All&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All&page=1

The isolated incidents of minor voter fraud impacted repubs and Dems equally and weren’t remotely close to sufficient to overturn the results of the election. It’s mostly cases of people casting ballots for their nursing home-bound parents and the like; it was illegal but, inconsequential. 

[Deluge]

6 minutes ago, Rebound said:

The isolated incidents of minor voter fraud impacted repubs and Dems equally and weren’t remotely close to sufficient to overturn the results of the election. It’s mostly cases of people casting ballots for their nursing home-bound parents and the like; it was illegal but, inconsequential. 

You don't know shit about voter fraud being equally impacted. 

The point is, cheating DOES happen, and that is enough to tell us that cheating can happen on a much larger scale. Given that Joe Biden is an old sack of shit and shouldn't have won anything, that is enough to keep the wheels turning. A lying  scumbag like Joe Biden doesn't win elections - it defies all reasoning - so, the search for evidence of large scale cheating continues. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Because I read the indictments, which lay out the crimes and the evidence proving that the crimes occurred. 

But they don't. The indictment makes no effort to prove the crime occurred. Many many people are indicted for a crime and found to be completely innocent at trial.

When you make statements like that you're basically stating you have no idea how law works and the whole idea of a fair trial is not something you approve of.

If an indictment was in any way proof of a crime we wouldn't NEED trials - would we.

And there is no 'court ruling' that i'm aware of - i suspect given your bias to date that you will be unable to back that up. Instead you'll post a 'ruling' that doesn't say anything of the kind. But - prove me wrong and post it.

Honestly tho you guys are coming across as being a bunch of uneducated frothing at the mouth cultists.  Why is the truth not enough for you? Let the process proceed, and be honest. If you can't make your point with honesty then do you really have a point at all?

 

[Rebound]

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

You don't know shit about voter fraud being equally impacted. 

The point is, cheating DOES happen, and that is enough to tell us that cheating can happen on a much larger scale. Given that Joe Biden is an old sack of shit and shouldn't have won anything, that is enough to keep the wheels turning. A lying  scumbag like Joe Biden doesn't win elections - it defies all reasoning - so, the search for evidence of large scale cheating continues. 

No.

Bob fills out grannie’s absentee ballot and mails it in. Those events are isolated and occur about evenly among Democrats and Republicans. And there’s no conspiracy in that. 

[Deluge]

18 minutes ago, Rebound said:

No.

Bob fills out grannie’s absentee ballot and mails it in. Those events are isolated and occur about evenly among Democrats and Republicans. And there’s no conspiracy in that. 

At 3AM, He/Him delivers bags of fake ballots to She/Her/It in order to mix the bogus ballots in with the official ballots, and just like that, the basement dwelling hair sniffer is given the keys to the free world.  

See, you can't dismiss ANY possibility until ALL the possibilities have been thoroughly exhausted. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

No.

Bob fills out grannie’s absentee ballot and mails it in. Those events are isolated and occur about evenly among Democrats and Republicans. And there’s no conspiracy in that. 

The challenge is that there's no way to know in the slightest if it's evenly spread or isolated. That's been shown several times.
 

Which means there is a strong opportunity for people to have no faith in the outcome, even if it were true that there was no significant fraud in the slightest.  And that really is a problem.   And it's not just one side of the isle  - remember hillary is still out there giving interviews demanding that trump was an 'illegitiamte president'  with zero evidence, and we had all kinds of problems in the past (hanging chads, etc).

When people lose faith in the security of the election and have a desire to question the results then bad things happen. And sorry - dems are every bit as guilty.

The elections should be taken over by the feds - and the focus should be on passing laws which secure the democratic process both in reality AND in the mind of the voter.

Otherwise it can be disastrous.

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

At 3AM, He/Him delivers bags of fake ballots to She/Her/It in order to mix the bogus ballots in with the official ballots, and just like that, the basement dwelling hair sniffer is given the keys to the free world.  

See, you can't dismiss ANY possibility until ALL the possibilities have been thoroughly exhausted. 

"Possibilities" are not facts or evidence.

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, Aristides said:

"Possibilities" are not facts or evidence.

They are actually.  The 'fact' is that the possibility exists and therefore cannot be dismissed. It's one of the primary thoughts beind 'means motive and opportunity'. 

The fact that it's evidence doesn't make it proof beyond reasonable doubt by any means at all - but it is still evidence.  If i say you had a gun, and were in the vicinity of the victim at the time of the shooting,  it's not proof you did it by itself,  but it's strong evidence that points in that direction. It states that it was possible you were the bad guy, and you move on from there.

Edited December 14, 2023 by CdnFox

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

At 3AM, He/Him delivers bags of fake ballots to She/Her/It in order to mix the bogus ballots in with the official ballots, and just like that, the basement dwelling hair sniffer is given the keys to the free world.  

See, you can't dismiss ANY possibility until ALL the possibilities have been thoroughly exhausted. 

You can't investigate EVERY possibility without an harassing FISHING EXPEDITION.

You're supposed to have probable cause to further investigate ANYTHING. Except apparently in the Republican House where they routinely use fishing expeditions for POLITICAL HARASSMENT.

Of course unlike a FAIR criminal investigation, there is MAJOR PUBLICITY BEFORE ANYTHING IS FOUND.

Remember when the FBI was investigating Trump for COLLUSION before the election? Only the investigation of Hillary's emails was PUBLIC BEFORE ANYTHING WAS FOUND. ?

[godzilla]

very little knowledge about how voting works and is secured here. and Trump feeds on that ignorance. there are checks and balances that prevent and identify fraud. that fraud has been identified and it was no where near sufficient to make any difference in the last election.

what has always been suggested... is a huge crime involving thousands of individuals at all levels of state government all winking at each other! god, Arizona audited the election how many times?! couldn't find a shred of organized conspiracy!

more than 50 court appearances and not one shred of evidence provided to a judge. and yet on the internet and tv hundreds of people saw things and had evidence. yet they refused repeat that in front of a judge because lying in front of a judge is a felony.

Edited December 14, 2023 by godzilla

[robosmith]

24 minutes ago, Aristides said:

"Possibilities" are not facts or evidence.

Nor are they probable cause for further investigation.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

You can't investigate EVERY possibility without an harassing FISHING EXPEDITION.

 

ROFLMAO - says the guy who supported the 3 years of investigation into 'russian collusion' based on a fake dossier  

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, godzilla said:

very little knowledge about how voting works and is secured here. and Trump feeds on that ignorance. there are checks and balances that prevent and identify fraud. that fraud has been identified and it was no where near sufficient to make any difference in the last election.

what has always been suggested... is a huge crime involving thousands of individuals at all levels of state government all winking at each other! god, Arizona audited the election how many times?! couldn't find a shred of organized conspiracy!

more than 50 court appearances and not one shred of evidence provided to a judge. and yet on the internet and tv hundreds of people saw things and had evidence. but they couldn't repeat that in front of a judge because lying in front of a judge is a felony.

That doesn't seem to be accurate.  it has been noted that ballot harvesting (which is illegal in many states) could easily have occurred without anyone knowing.  So where exactly are the 'checks and balances'?

No great conspiracy is required at all.  And you're assuming the motive of these alleged people which you coulnd't possibly know.

And the dems spent 3 years demanding there was russian collusion that there was no evidence of. Based on a dossier they faked.

So...  it's not just trump who's 'fed' on it.

Steps should be taken to eliminate potential voter fraud avenues to give people more confidence in the process. Because republicans and dems alike always think when their guy loses it's "fraud' of some sort and bad things happen.

[godzilla]

back to the OP... Trump has further been arguing that he is immune to indictments and persecution for life!

if i were Biden i would let people know that i was watching this carefully! because there is no reason to even have elections anymore. Biden rules for life!

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Nor are they probable cause for further investigation.

LOL - they absolutely are  

1 minute ago, godzilla said:

back to the OP... Trump has further been arguing that he is immune to indictments and persecution for life!

if i were Biden i would let people know that i was watching this carefully! because there is no reason to even have elections anymore. Biden rules for life!

?????

Aside from being an effort to distract from your last erroneous statement, that makes no sense at all.  Even if trump were immune from prosecution based on the law that wouldn't have anything to do with not having an election?

[godzilla]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That doesn't seem to be accurate.  it has been noted that ballot harvesting (which is illegal in many states) could easily have occurred without anyone knowing.  So where exactly are the 'checks and balances'?

No great conspiracy is required at all.  And you're assuming the motive of these alleged people which you coulnd't possibly know.

And the dems spent 3 years demanding there was russian collusion that there was no evidence of. Based on a dossier they faked.

So...  it's not just trump who's 'fed' on it.

Steps should be taken to eliminate potential voter fraud avenues to give people more confidence in the process. Because republicans and dems alike always think when their guy loses it's "fraud' of some sort and bad things happen.

no. look, ballot harvesting is just a delivery method. there are voter rolls. and those rolls are managed by the state. you can't vote unless you are on the role. you can't just stuff boxes! when people vote they need to identify themselves and they are confirmed on the role. etc etc.

in the end, if there is an audit, then these people get contacted and they confirm that they voted and who they voted for. this was done in Arizona. it was done in numerous states that Republicans leaned on. it was done in states with Republican majorities that had Republican officials running the voting process. not one of them was willing to stand in front of a judge and provide evidence of mass voter fraud!

Edited December 14, 2023 by godzilla