Accounts of Sexual Violence by Hamas Are Aired Amid Criticism of U.N. one woman had “nails and different objects in her female organs.” I

[CdnFox]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/04/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-sexual-violence-un.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Dk0.Ol6Q.E8pMAO2w5rKF&smid=url-share

A presentation at the U.N., organized in part by Sheryl Sandberg, accused the body of ignoring the rape and mutilation of women in the Oct. 7 assault on Israel, and heard gruesome details from witnesses.

The body of one woman had “nails and different objects in her female organs.” In another house, a person’s genitals were so mutilated that “we couldn’t identify if it was a man or a woman.”

Simcha Greinman, a volunteer who helped collect the remains of victims of the Hamas-led Oct. 7 assault on Israel, took long pauses as he spoke those words on Monday at an event at the United Nations.

“Horrific things I saw with my own eyes,” he said, “and I felt with my own hands.”

Shari Mendes, a member of an Israeli military reserve unit tasked with preparing the bodies of fallen female soldiers for burial, said her team saw several who were killed on Oct. 7 “who were shot in the crotch, intimate parts, vagina, or were shot in the breast.” Others had mutilated faces, or multiple gunshots to their heads.

Yet those atrocities have received little scrutiny from human rights groups, or the news media, amid the larger war between Israel and Hamas — and until a few days ago, they had not been specifically mentioned or condemned by UN Women, the United Nations’ women’s rights agency, which has regularly spoken out about the plight of Palestinian women and girls.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

The descriptions are truly horrific.  Yet to date the media has barely talked about it.

This is what hamas is -  for those here who are still insisting on supporting them and asking why the Israelis are so mean to them.

[Army Guy]

56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

Yet those atrocities have received little scrutiny from human rights groups, or the news media, amid the larger war between Israel and Hamas — and until a few days ago, they had not been specifically mentioned or condemned by UN Women, the United Nations’ women’s rights agency, which has regularly spoken out about the plight of Palestinian women and girls.

 

 

These questions should be asked to those that support the UN that is suppose to uphold EVERYONES human rights...This will all be swept under the carpet by UN apologists like anything that deals with Israel... 

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59 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The descriptions are truly horrific.  Yet to date the media has barely talked about it.

This is what hamas is -  for those here who are still insisting on supporting them and asking why the Israelis are so mean to them.

The UN is composed of dozens of Muslim states, and one Jewish state. This is why Israel is always singled out by other countries in resolutions.  This has always been the problem with the UN, as it does not matter what happens, all Arab nations and many others will strategically vote together. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

The UN is composed of dozens of Muslim states, and one Jewish state. This is why Israel is always singled out by other countries in resolutions.  This has always been the problem with the UN, as it does not matter what happens, all Arab nations and many others will strategically vote together. 

Yes but there are many many other states that are neither jewish nor muslim who, despite their lack of religious affiliation, should still be willing to speak out against nailing women's genitals.

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11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yes but there are many many other states that are neither jewish nor muslim who, despite their lack of religious affiliation, should still be willing to speak out against nailing women's genitals.

The problem with speaking out against Arab nations, is they control most of the World's oil resources. Countries in places like Europe, which is limited in oil resources, do not want to upset the Arabs.

[WestCanMan]

46 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

The problem with speaking out against Arab nations, is they control most of the World's oil resources. Countries in places like Europe, which is limited in oil resources, do not want to upset the Arabs.

That makes a good case for NA ramping up oil production, instead of hamstringing it. 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Yes but there are many many other states that are neither jewish nor muslim who, despite their lack of religious affiliation, should still be willing to speak out against nailing women's genitals.

There is a lot of vote buying. Certain Arab states have a lot of money...

[I am Groot]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

[WestCanMan]

35 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

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She goes on to detail how the men cut off parts of the victim's body during the assault.

"They sliced her breast and threw it on the street," she says. "They were playing with it."

 

The victim was passed to another man in uniform, she continues.

"He penetrated her, and shot her in the head before he finished. He didn't even pick up his pants; he shoots and ejaculates."

These guys are steeped in hatred from birth.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/isis-teaches-children-behead-training-camps/story?id=25303940

When your kids are in kindergarten learning to share & care, theirs are being taught to hate. Hate Jews and Americans, behead infidels. 

The Jesuits say "Give us a boy 'til he's 7 and...." various endings include "we'll show you the man", or "he's ours for life"... 

In the above video, halfway through, you can see "children" spitting on the naked corpse of a German tourist. Those kids are unsalvageable as human beings. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

The problem with speaking out against Arab nations, is they control most of the World's oil resources. Countries in places like Europe, which is limited in oil resources, do not want to upset the Arabs.

Fair point i suppose.

[eyeball]

If Palestine was a normal country with a normal army Israel would have access to normal processes that would allow them to prosecute war crimes appropriately. If Palestinians had a normal country with a normal army they could police it with normal laws and rules.

If Palestine and Israel were in a normal world these things would be more likely. The ME is not in a vacuum.

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If Palestine was a normal country with a normal army Israel would have access to normal processes that would allow them to prosecute war crimes appropriately.

 

No wonder they don't want the two state solution

I think you'll find that war crimes are not isolated to just two 'countries' but also two combatants.  Gaza has a gov't that's recognized globally.

If not - then they don't have any land to 'occupy' do they.  If they don't have standing as a self governing entity then why can't israel enter any time and throw out whomever they want? Israel couldn't commit 'war crimes' either, it would just be police actions.

Israel declared war on Gaza and that has not been challenged.  it's a war. They are war crimes.

Gaza's barbaric and hatebased actions cannot be excused, and are isolated from any other circumstance.

 

 

[Army Guy]

44 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If Palestine was a normal country with a normal army Israel would have access to normal processes that would allow them to prosecute war crimes appropriately. If Palestinians had a normal country with a normal army they could police it with normal laws and rules.

If Palestine and Israel were in a normal world these things would be more likely. The ME is not in a vacuum.

How about we try and stop making excuses for the Palestinians, and their terrorist government.... and start judging them for their actions....Israel is in the process of prosecuting Hamas for their crimes, as we speak....and it does not look good for Hamas.... flooding tunnels now so they can not hide...is just the start...

Hamas is the legal democratic government for Gaza, Now they are being held reasonable for their actions...they have an Army of terrorist that terrorizes their citizens and Israelis, they are not interested in their own people , but rather uses them for their own terrorist goals.... 

[I am Groot]

53 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If Palestine was a normal country with a normal army Israel would have access to normal processes that would allow them to prosecute war crimes appropriately. If Palestinians had a normal country with a normal army they could police it with normal laws and rules.

You seriously think a Palestinian government or army would cooperate or punish such things? They'd be more likely to hand out medals.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

You seriously think a Palestinian government or army would cooperate or punish such things? They'd be more likely to hand out medals.

Or more nails in this case.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

You seriously think a Palestinian government or army would cooperate or punish such things? They'd be more likely to hand out medals.

They literally do pay people for war crimes.

If you're a Palestinian and you strap explosives to your body and kill a bunch of Israelis, they'll give your family a pension: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund

• Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund

   
  The Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund are two funds operated by the Palestinian Authority (PA). The Foundation for the Care of the Families of Martyrs pays monthly cash stipends to the families of Palestinians killed, injured, or imprisoned while carrying out violence against Israel.^[1] The Prisoners Fund makes disbursements to Palestinians imprisoned in Israeli jails. In 2016, the PA paid out about NIS 1.1 billion (US$303 million) in stipends and other benefits.^[2]

 

Edited December 7, 2023 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

...Israel is in the process of prosecuting Hamas for their crimes, as we speak...

They're mowing the lawn and planting more seeds.

[Guest]

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Those kids are unsalvageable as human beings. 

You can tell they are brianwashed. 

I remember seeing a young girl crying after her parents were killed in Gaza.

Very matter of fact, talking to the reporter about how she should be happy her family was martyred. 

Of course she is just a child, so all she could let out was her emotions, about why they had to be taken, and how much she missed them.

But thats what hit me.

She was taught from birth, to embrace dying.

Hamas leaders hide, like cowards forcing kids like her to embrace dying for you to enjoy political leverage due to global outcry.

I just don't understand how such a child, could survive in a civil society. 

[Guest]

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If you're a Palestinian and you strap explosives to your body and kill a bunch of Israelis, they'll give your family a pension

Many Hamas soldiers caught, shed light at why they are so willing to die or kill.

Hamas militants are like heroes and superstars.

Bringing back a hostage, guaranteed you a home, and 10, 000$ (US), according to a couple accounts, stated directly from the soldiers.

So can you blame them for celebrating when they were able to capture over 200? Its like winning the lottery.

Additionally, telling on Israel authorities and being sent back to Gaza, had you tortured and killed in a very public fashion.

Very hard to speak up, when the consequences for doing so are so brutal.

Israel created this mess.

The blockades, and constricting the Palestinians, have crippled their abilities to earn a living.

Hamas pays top dollar for you to kill for them, so makes things insanely hard to resist, considering they witness with their own eyes, their own being killed.

Very easy to sell propaganda to someone filled with rage and hate, but also having to deal with extreme poverty.

Many are children, so don't know any better.

You can take out Hamas, but that terrorist seed they have planted in children, will only grow roots in future generations.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

The blockades, and constricting the Palestinians, have crippled their abilities to earn a living.

What's crippled the Palestinians' ability to earn a living is the fact that they're not allowed to leave their refugee camps. No ME countries will take them in. 

They want those refugee camps there to keep the hatred against Israel going. 

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

srael created this mess.

The blockades, and constricting the Palestinians, have crippled their abilities to earn a living.

Must be expensive to maintain all those fences and walls and guard towers. Not to mention 40% of Palestinians once worked in Israel.

I wonder why Israel would do such a thing...

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Israel created this mess.

The blockades, and constricting the Palestinians, have crippled their abilities to earn a living.

Gaza could easily have negotiated those problems away close to 2 decades ago.  They decided that they would rather go with hate and violence and never make peace.

Either they will get their heads out of their asses and build a life for themselves or they will continue to live in filth and violence until someday someone has enough and decides to end them entirely. They're going to have to make that choice.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They're going to have to make that choice.

Leave it to Hamas, and they would gladly take martyrdom. 

You can only kill that kind of extremism.

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I wonder why Israel would do such a thing...

They obviously put the sea blockades because they were constantly getting bombed by Hamas.

What am eluding to, is overall how Israel has dealt with Palestine through their history.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Leave it to Hamas, and they would gladly take martyrdom. 

Well as long as they're all on the same page that probably works for everyone.   Surely they can handle that themselves right, they don't need anyone else's help.  I'm sure we could whip up a few of those suicide martyr booths from futurama