'I felt very, very unsafe': Top Conservative says senators, MPs 'under attack' by pro-Palestinian protesters in Ottawa

[CdnFox]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/senator-don-plett-attack-pro-palestinian-protesters

“They actually jumped on to my car. They were banging on my windows, they were laying on the hood of my car and they were trying to prevent me from moving,” Plett told a meeting of the standing committee on internal economy, budgets and administration. “I’m sure I’m on many pictures now on the Gaza Strip or wherever.”

 

As first reported by Blacklock’s Reporter, Plett raised it at committee as a safety issue for parliamentarians, saying security has declined during his 13 years on the Hill.

 

“There was no security around to help and I felt very, very unsafe.

 

“I then went into my Manitoba meeting and (Winnipeg Conservative MP) Marty Morantz, who is of Jewish descent, had been walking there and of course he felt more unsafe than I had and later we heard at our meetings that there were probably a dozen members of the House that had also been under attack.”

[CdnFox]

Ahhh yes - the peaceful protesters of the left.  Jumping on people's cars, threatening them, etc.

 

But of course - no bouncy castles so no need for the emergency act.

Why bring this here.  Why attack conservatives, never mind jews. I get everyone agrees that the anti sematism is a left wing thing, but its not like the Conservatives are in power and voting to support israel or the like.

And leave this shit over there where it belongs.

We should just consider all palestinians as terrorist supporters and ban them from entering canada if this is how they're going to behave.

[Queenmandy85]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I get everyone agrees that the anti sematism is a left wing thing

What is your source for that? As far as I know, anti-semitism is a multi-partisan problem. It is not accurate to paint a community with one label. When my late father -in-law was approached to run for the Social Credit Party in BC, he was told it was to get rid of the jews. The Liberal minister of immigration before the war had a policy about allowing jews into Canada, "One is too many." The NDP is split between supporters of Israel and supporters of Palestine.

When we ascrible certain negative values on a community, we are pre-judging them based on the values or actions of some members. Hence, the word "prejudice."

Some people are full of hate. Their political or religious persuasion has nothing to do with that. There is no excuse for hate or bad behaviour.

 

Edited November 12, 2023 by Queenmandy85

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Ahhh yes - the peaceful protesters of the left.  Jumping on people's cars, threatening them, etc.

 

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Why are protesters of the left?

Just because they are jumping on cars? Or threatening?

[Gaétan]

When there is no justice, people take the law into their own hands, the Conservative leader should have been arrested for his complicity in the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

the Conservative leader should have been arrested for his complicity in the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza

Charged with what under Canadian law?

[Canadian_Cavalier]

41 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

When there is no justice, people take the law into their own hands, the Conservative leader should have been arrested for his complicity in the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza

You can't be complicit if you don't run the government. I lean pro-Palestinian but the idea of doing that is utterly insane.

Peaceful protests should be allowed, but not when they become un-peaceful.

[CITIZEN_2015]

If they love Palestine so much then get the hell out and go there and fight  

Edited November 12, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

What is your source for that?

There are many - including that whole thread where a 'human rights and anti hate' group that is currently on the board stated that they're not going after palestinians who are calling for hate and violence becasue they 'only deal with right wing issues and right wing hate speech and this doesn't count. That's before we get into many politician's on the left's reactions. .

There's literally far too many to cite.  for whatever reason the left has decided they hate jews and are in full support of palistine.  I have no idea why - most of them, certainly the gays and lesbians, would be the first thrown off the rooftops if the gazans had their way.

If you disagree prove me wrong.  At this point it's so common that you might as well ask for a source that the sun comes up in the east in canada.  Show me all those right wing groups supporting palestine's actions or the like    I'm sure there's one or two somewhere but i think you're going to have a tough time finding many

For years it's been noted that the left wing supports muslims and hates jews, and this recent conflict has brought that out 10 fold

Sorry kid - waaaaaaaaay too late to try to deny that now

[Queenmandy85]

In 1948, the UN should have put Israel in Oregon. What possessed them to put it down in the middle east?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Why are protesters of the left?

 

Good question - i mean most of these leftists would be the first thrown off the roof tops if they lived under hamas but whatever.

But yeah - it's the left. God knows why. You'd think they'd be MORE pissed at the libs but there's been fewer incidents there or with the ndp. 

[ExFlyer]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Good question - i mean most of these leftists would be the first thrown off the roof tops if they lived under hamas but whatever.

But yeah - it's the left. God knows why. You'd think they'd be MORE pissed at the libs but there's been fewer incidents there or with the ndp. 

So the truckers were leftists?

I don't think you can think calling protesters left or right.

[Queenmandy85]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There are many - including that whole thread where a 'human rights and anti hate' group that is currently on the board stated that they're not going after palestinians who are calling for hate and violence becasue they 'only deal with right wing issues and right wing hate speech and this doesn't count. That's before we get into many politician's on the left's reactions. .

There's literally far too many to cite.  for whatever reason the left has decided they hate jews and are in full support of palistine.  I have no idea why - most of them, certainly the gays and lesbians, would be the first thrown off the rooftops if the gazans had their way.

If you disagree prove me wrong.  At this point it's so common that you might as well ask for a source that the sun comes up in the east in canada.  Show me all those right wing groups supporting palestine's actions or the like    I'm sure there's one or two somewhere but i think you're going to have a tough time finding many

For years it's been noted that the left wing supports muslims and hates jews, and this recent conflict has brought that out 10 fold

Sorry kid - waaaaaaaaay too late to try to deny that now

When I was working, we had two guys who we nicknamed "Just about Everybody" and "Most People." When Just About Everybody were saying (place whining point here) he actually meant the person we called Most People, and vice versa.

I won't ask you for a lot of studies saying anti-semitism is an exclusively left wing thing. Just give me a couple of reputable studies that prove that.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

So the truckers were leftists?

I don't think you can think calling protesters left or right.

I didn't call 'protesters' anything. I was referring to these specific incidents and to the palestinian supporters.

It wasnt' truckers jumping on the hoods of conservative senators cars last week.As i noted to another poster for whatever reason the left has taken the side of palestine and their supporters. Go figure.  And lets not bother with any sealioning about what you can look up just as easily as i can.

 

Just now, Queenmandy85 said:

When I was working, we had two guys who we nicknamed "Just about Everybody" and "Most People." When

 

Yeah - sounds like a lie right off the bat.  Maybe next time start with the truth. More convincing.

BTW - who's on first again?   

Edited November 12, 2023 by CdnFox

[CITIZEN_2015]

9 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

In 1948, the UN should have put Israel in Oregon. What possessed them to put it down in the middle east?

In Germany because Germans were respobsible for their sufferings.

[Queenmandy85]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah - sounds like a lie right off the bat.  Maybe next time start with the truth. More convincing.

Prove it. I don't recall you ever working in our department.

[ExFlyer]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I didn't call 'protesters' anything. I was referring to these specific incidents and to the palestinian supporters.

It wasnt' truckers jumping on the hoods of conservative senators cars last week.As i noted to another poster for whatever reason the left has taken the side of palestine and their supporters. Go figure.  And lets not bother with any sealioning about what you can look up just as easily as i can.

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"Ahhh yes - the peaceful protesters of the left.  Jumping on people's cars, threatening them, etc. "

Says a senator but, because he is conservative, he did not have to prove his accusations.

No "sealioning", just not believing what an appointed politician says only because he is conservative.

 

13 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

In Germany because Germans were respobsible for their sufferings.

The entire world is responsible for their suffering, for thousands of years.

[eyeball]

25 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There's literally far too many to cite. 

Well that sure takes the cake for a lame assed excuse - too much evidence.?

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Prove it. I don't recall you ever working in our department.

Balance of probabilities, which is sufficient level of evidence in this case.

Whether people realize it or not there's a reason for and a cultural methodology to nicknames and your fake ones fail completely at being likey based on that.  I won't bore you with the details. But there is almost no chance of anyone actually having those 'nicknames'. That's not how nicknames work.

  Plus we've seen you be dishonest before so it's believable you'd make something like that up to suit a story, believing it to be a lie of little gravity  ( a 'white lie' if you will).

So the vastly most likely case is you completely made that up believing although it was  a lie a 'cute' story like that somehow makes your point more believable.

Which can work with children. Hence easop's fables.  But - with adults it kind of just makes you look like an uneducated tool who can't make his point logically.  So i stopped reading rather than participate in your embarrassment further.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Well that sure takes the cake for a lame assed excuse - too much evidence.?

No, it is actually fully recognized.  The term is "common knowledge".  Nobody is expected to 'prove' what is common knowledge.  It would be up to the other person to disprove it or demonstrate why the case they're referencing is an exception.

Example -  it is common knowledge that the sun rises in the east. Demanding someone provide evidence of that before continuing a conversation is not appropriate and would be sealioning.

However - you MIGHT argue that if you were standing at the very north pole then all directions are south, so no matter where the sun comes up it comes up in the south.  That would be an exception to common knowledge.

It's become common knowledge the left has adopted the musilm/palestinian side and it's been common knowledge for years that the left is fairly antisemetic (Ask 'the crew' )  And i did reference one specific example.

 

But of course - being an illiterate dolt who has trouble with even basic logic  you wouldn't have realized any of that.

[Queenmandy85]

7 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

In Germany because Germans were respobsible for their sufferings.

While the Nazis (not all or exclusively Germans) were mainly responsible for the holocaust, Canada has many anti-semites. It wasn't the CCF who instituted restricted restaurants clubs, golf courses etc. in Canada. Anti-semitism is not confined to any political group. There are anti-semites everywhere. 

While the activists in Hamas who perpetrated the horrific massacre in Israel, is totally evil, the average Palistinian just wants to live  and feed his family and put a roof over their head. The problem is in 1948, the UN had the stupid idea of plunking Israel down in the middle of Palistice. Thousands of people lost their homes and that is going to create conflict. I proposed that Oregon would be a better place due to climate.

Part of the problem is there are members of the current Israeli government who some how believe God gave Palistine to the Israel. An entity that is managing a universe consisting of over 28 trillion stars just in what we can see, gives a tinker's curse about who owns any particular bit of land or whether I am a human or a squirrel.

[Queenmandy85]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Whether people realize it or not there's a reason for and a cultural methodology to nicknames and your fake ones fail completely at being likey based on that.  I won't bore you with the details. But there is almost no chance of anyone actually having those 'nicknames'. That's not how nicknames work.

You accuse people of lying when you cannot back up what you say. It is a practice that does not encourage respectful discourse.

You still have not provided any studies that prove your statement that all anti-semites are left wing. You may want to consult the library's Political Science section for some references that may help you make your case. I hope that is helpful.

 

Edited November 12, 2023 by Queenmandy85
Original draft too harsh

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It's become common knowledge the left has adopted the musilm/palestinian side and it's been common knowledge for years that the left is fairly antisemetic (Ask 'the crew' )  And i did reference one specific example.

On reflection, and re-reading your previous posts, I realize I need to differentiate between opinion and statements of fact. Your reference to anti-semites as leftists is your opinion and that is fine. I cannot dispute that that is what you believe. Some of us have an opposing view, but my challenge to cite a study was not called for and I apologize. 

As for your accusation of lying, this is a friendly forum and we (me) need to take such things as friendly banter. No harm, no foul. 

Edited November 12, 2023 by Queenmandy85

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody is expected to 'prove' what is common knowledge.

You are however expected to avoid the common belief fallacy. 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Example -  it is common knowledge that the sun rises in the east.

Sometimes, but did you take variation into account never mind the fact that what you're looking at is actually the Earth turning and the sun isn't what's moving at all?  No, you didn't.  You use this simple example of common knowledge a lot and the same way when dismissing more nuanced points being made in a discussion - your common knowledge is peculiar to you alone and any point you make that doesn't take that into account is incomplete.

Critical thinking should always start with your own thoughts first.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You accuse people of lying when you cannot back up what you say.

 

I literally backed up what i said.

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It is a practice that does not encourage respectful discourse.

That's another statement you've made that's untrue-  i did back up what i said.

And you claim to be about respectful discourse.

You weren't telling the truth, we both know it. And after i explained why you claim i didn't explain why.  Soooo - there you go.  Don't get mad when people say they don't believe you if you behave like that.

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You still have not provided any studies that prove your statement that all anti-semites are left wing.

I did in fact provide example - expert testimony from an org who's sole purpose is to fight hate speech.

You however have provided nothing whatsoever to prove your claim they're not. So you're just sealioning. Your plan is to just demand more and more 'cites' by changing the criteria (now it's official studied apperently, not just other evidence, and has to be from a specific source to count).

Typical leftie.

The current antisematims and support of palestine we're seeing is embraced largely by the left wing. Further - your claims about the 'nicknames' of your 'coworkers were a lie.  These are simple truths that both you and I know. I don't care about convincing others.

 

The fact that you refuse to address the actual points of the issue and instead choose to distract and turn the debate into being about these says all anyone needs to know about the terrorist supporters on the left.

 

These left wing protesters are violent and dangerous, and it's telling that when it was peaceful right wingers the gov't called in the emergency act but while it's a left wing group that justin doesn't want to honk off there's virtually no action, not even additional security.

Edited November 12, 2023 by CdnFox