Griswold Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 There are really preposterous amounts of natural gas "in reserve." Under the normal law of supply-and-demand, it should be cheap and affordable to all. But instead, governments have judged that the market is best served by big companies who limit supply to increase prices. I think the economy would get a much larger boost from affordable gas than from any tax revenue from monopolistic companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/11/2023 at 12:51 PM, Griswold said: There are really preposterous amounts of natural gas "in reserve." Under the normal law of supply-and-demand, it should be cheap and affordable to all. But instead, governments have judged that the market is best served by big companies who limit supply to increase prices. I think the economy would get a much larger boost from affordable gas than from any tax revenue from monopolistic companies. Governments have judged?? Or perhaps market has spoken?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Governments have judged?? Or perhaps market has spoken?? I'm betting the market's players have had a few cozy conversations with the government's judges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 57 minutes ago, eyeball said: I'm betting the market's players have had a few cozy conversations with the government's judges. Yeah sure...blame the government for stuff that does not sell or have market value. Fact is that if someone wants it, there will be a market. Feds want to sell natural gas but there are some provinces that just won't let it happen (Quebec, BC) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Yeah sure...blame the government for stuff that does not sell or have market value. That's not what I did. Quote Fact is that if someone wants it, there will be a market. Feds want to sell natural gas but there are some provinces that just won't let it happen (Quebec, BC) Get the feds to talk to BC who is making it happen as we speak. It should be easy for the feds to sidestep Quebec and transport LNG to Eastern Canada now. Put some of the carbon tax money towards building natural gas infrastructure there to receive and distribute BC gas. Edited November 18, 2023 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: That's not what I did. Get the feds to talk to BC who is making it happen as we speak. It should be easy for the feds to sidestep Quebec and transport LNG to Eastern Canada now. Put some of the carbon tax money towards building natural gas infrastructure there to receive and distribute BC gas. What can I say, if someone want to buy it, then they will. If the producers cannot get it to market, well, .... No government since confederation has been able to sidestep Quebec LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: No government since confederation has been able to sidestep Quebec LOL Someone should let the feds know about the Panama Canal. I can't think of anything that would make Quebec reconsider pipelines across their jurisdiction faster. Edited November 18, 2023 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, eyeball said: Someone should let the feds know about the Panama Canal. I can't think of anything that would make Quebec reconsider pipelines across their jurisdiction faster. Are you actually saying to ship by tanker through the Panama Canal??? LOL Ya gotta get it through BC too LOL Enough already.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Are you actually saying to ship by tanker through the Panama Canal??? LOL Ya gotta get it through BC too LOL Enough already.... Of course that's what I'm saying. Apparently you've never heard of Kitimat BC or the LNG tanker facility there. It'll be ready to ship gas in 2025. When will Eastern Canada be ready? Oh and btw...in your face Alberta. Edited November 18, 2023 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 53 minutes ago, eyeball said: Of course that's what I'm saying. Apparently you've never heard of Kitimat BC or the LNG tanker facility there. It'll be ready to ship gas in 2025. When will Eastern Canada be ready? Oh and btw...in your face Alberta. And that LNG will be going where? I ain't in Alberta nor an Albertan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: And that LNG will be going where? Anywhere you want once it's loaded on a tanker. Asia by the sound of it. I simply pointed out to you that BC is not standing in the way of the feds selling gas. Recall we're also discussing this in the context of the thread's OP. You seem to be in a strange state of amused denial that Eastern Canada couldn't be a market for BC gas. Seems to me there's an opportunity to ween Eastern Canada off stove oil here that could benefit everyone - maybe not Alberta but oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 11 hours ago, eyeball said: Anywhere you want once it's loaded on a tanker. Asia by the sound of it. I simply pointed out to you that BC is not standing in the way of the feds selling gas. Recall we're also discussing this in the context of the thread's OP. You seem to be in a strange state of amused denial that Eastern Canada couldn't be a market for BC gas. Seems to me there's an opportunity to ween Eastern Canada off stove oil here that could benefit everyone - maybe not Alberta but oh well. Au contraire, Eastern Canada is a huge and wanting market for BC (?. Don't you mean Alberta LOL) gas. The issue is the cost...how much is Alberta LNG (when they actually want oil not LNG) and vs Saudi oil??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Au contraire, Eastern Canada is a huge and wanting market for BC (?. Don't you mean Alberta LOL) gas. No. You didn't know BC has enormous gas reserves too? 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: The issue is the cost...how much is Alberta LNG (when they actually want oil not LNG) and vs Saudi oil??? What about the issues of switching to cleaner energy sources and that don't enrich dictators? And again it's BC LNG not Alberta LNG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: No. You didn't know BC has enormous gas reserves too? What about the issues of switching to cleaner energy sources and that don't enrich dictators? And again it's BC LNG not Alberta LNG. goodbye...beat yourself up LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: goodbye...beat yourself up LOL Sure, smell ya later.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 You're talking to a typical cantservative looking at ancient information. Unaware of several LNG export terminals being built in BC and the pipeline to Kitimat 99% done. Unaware that LNG from US is already going through the Panama Canal to Japan, MOF headlines this weekend of an LNG tanker paying $4 million extra to jump to the head of the line. Unaware that there is oil & gas production in BC (and Sask) Unaware there is far less opposition to gas pipeline than to oil lines and there's never been serious discussion of one with Quebec. Unaware. Ill informed. Dimwitted. Afraid to death being awake might be considered woke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted November 21, 2023 Report Share Posted November 21, 2023 Actually the market price of gas just dropped in BC from 3.2384 per GJ to 2.230 per GJ per my last gas bill. The government is the biggest bandit. My last bill Cost of gas at market price $8.92 Carbon tax $12.95 plus clean energy levy, plus GST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted November 21, 2023 Report Share Posted November 21, 2023 On 11/19/2023 at 6:13 PM, herbie said: You're talking to a typical cantservative looking at ancient information. Unaware of several LNG export terminals being built in BC and the pipeline to Kitimat 99% done. Unaware that LNG from US is already going through the Panama Canal to Japan, MOF headlines this weekend of an LNG tanker paying $4 million extra to jump to the head of the line. Unaware that there is oil & gas production in BC (and Sask) Unaware there is far less opposition to gas pipeline than to oil lines and there's never been serious discussion of one with Quebec. Unaware. Ill informed. Dimwitted. Afraid to death being awake might be considered woke. Economics..... Will it be economical enough to send it through the Panama Canal and up to the maritimes and all the infrastructure needed for it? Shake your heads and let reality set in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted November 21, 2023 Report Share Posted November 21, 2023 typical cantservative Impossible tor mere humans to do.... too much money involved, don't even waste your time thinking about it. If God wanted Maritimers to use LNG he would have put it there..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted November 23, 2023 Report Share Posted November 23, 2023 On 11/21/2023 at 5:17 PM, herbie said: typical cantservative Impossible tor mere humans to do.... too much money involved, don't even waste your time thinking about it. If God wanted Maritimers to use LNG he would have put it there..... What a stupid thing to say. Economics drives your life. If they cannot get it for cheaper than they are paying now, they will not buy it, plain and simple. It is not even a matter of getting it o the maritimes but, how much will it cost the province (or utility company) to lay pipes to every house? How much will it cost every homeowner to convert? Christ, they cannot afford the cost of oil now and the infrastructure is all there. Even you herbie would not pay more for heating your house if you already have for less. So, like it or not herbie...economics is the driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted November 24, 2023 Report Share Posted November 24, 2023 22 hours ago, ExFlyer said: It is not even a matter of getting it o the maritimes but, how much will it cost the province (or utility company) to lay pipes to every house? How much will it cost every homeowner to convert? Who shall PAY? who shall PAY? Can't be done! Ridiculous, absurd! see what I mean? Can't even grasp the thought they'd have to lay a pipe to your house to SELL you their product? Like they always have? Just the typical someone will have to PAY something somewhere so that's BBAAADDD... and OMG they'd need to buy a gas furnace and junk their oil one... why would you pay thousands of dollars just to save hundreds every month? Gee as dumb to you as paying a little more for an EV car just to pay 25c/L to drive it instead of $2/L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griswold Posted November 25, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 10:15 AM, ExFlyer said: Governments have judged?? Or perhaps market has spoken?? Yes indeed. Monopolies used to be illegal, but now governments have judged that they are not. If the vast supplies of natural gas were up to the free market, the entire economy would get a massive boost by lower prices for energy, namely natural gas. Instead, governments allowed very few companies to acquire a virtual monopoly over this vast resource, to the detriment of all. Your argument is self-defeating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted November 25, 2023 Report Share Posted November 25, 2023 4 hours ago, herbie said: Who shall PAY? who shall PAY? Can't be done! Ridiculous, absurd! see what I mean? Can't even grasp the thought they'd have to lay a pipe to your house to SELL you their product? Like they always have? Just the typical someone will have to PAY something somewhere so that's BBAAADDD... and OMG they'd need to buy a gas furnace and junk their oil one... why would you pay thousands of dollars just to save hundreds every month? Gee as dumb to you as paying a little more for an EV car just to pay 25c/L to drive it instead of $2/L. No, i do not see. And the question is "Who Shall Pay?" They gonna lay the pipe for free? Or will the cost on the LNG include that pipe?? You really do not have much of a clue do you herbie? LOL Nothing is free. Oh and, I would never buy an EV to save money on gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted November 25, 2023 Report Share Posted November 25, 2023 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: No, i do not see. No need to respond further. Summed it all up pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted November 25, 2023 Report Share Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, herbie said: No need to respond further. Summed it all up pretty good. herbie...if you don't have the money to pay for oil now, how are you going to pay for the LNG and change to the infrastructure? And how do you know LNG will be cheaper than oil. And, it all comes down to dollars and sense and sense is what you are lacking. LOL It is always easy for you to spend someone elses money LOL Edited November 25, 2023 by ExFlyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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