Hamas Attacks Israel

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

There is now a report that a rocket fired by the Islamic Jihadis misfired and never reached it's intended target.

Looks like that's been confirmed by al jezeera live cams that caught the event.  And honestly why would the isrealis bomb a hospital.

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Israelis so far has killed 2500 confirmed civilians.  That is not counting the 500 deaths at the hospital because we are not sure at this time who did it.

Theyr'e sure now - al jazeera cot it on camera and confirms it appears a missile failed and crashed back and blew up.  THere was confusion as the first video posted din't match up but the second one did.

Apperently not content with killing isreali's, and with pushing the isrealis to kill their own people, they're now directly killing their own people,

If they're going to do that they should have just stayed at home and shot their own people to begin with,

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The scene of a 4 year old injured girl standing above her badly injured mother while the dying mother hugs the child is so disturbing.

Is it still "disturbing" now that you know it was Palestinians who did it?  Bet you got over that quick.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Israelis with all the drones and intelligence that they have MUST provide solid proof that it was a failed rocket that hit the hospital. US can help in satellite images too. From the time and place it was launched to the time the same rocket hit the hospital. Hamas does not have airforce or satellites to do this. Regardless of this attack, Israeli army has murdered over 3000 civilians so far.

It appears Israeli army is chickening out to enter Gaza. Cowards. They are only courageous if they hide in a plane miles away and drop their bombs on civilians from a distance and then flee the scene. Murderous cowards. 

I was hoping that ground invasion means an end to aerial bombardment of Gaza as they won' t bomb their own soldiers and hence an end to civilian deaths.

[CdnFox]

43 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Israelis with all the drones and intelligence that they have MUST provide solid proof that it was a failed rocket that hit the hospital.

Al Jazeera did actually. They had live cameras going at the time.

Not exactly an 'isreali friendly' media outet   So there you go.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Israel must stop aerial bombardment of civilians in Gaza. Send the troops in to specifically target Hamas fighters and kill them. The world opinion will soon turn fiercely against Israel. There will be fierce possibly violent anti Israel demonstrations all over the world soon. There will be future terrorists attacking both Israel and the West. Hamas and likely most Arabs see the West responsible too for the unconditional support given to Israel. More bloodshed is not the answer. Stop the bombardment and mass murder of civilians in Gaza now.

Edited October 18, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

59 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Israel must stop aerial bombardment of civilians in Gaza.

Probably be good if Hamas nocked it off too - bombing the civillians in gaza i mean

 I note you don't call for Hamas to quit firing missles into isreal which they still are.   But yeah you're not a terrorist supporter at all

Bloodshed absolutely IS the answer. Iraq doesn't attack us anymore - al quieda didn't after they killed bin laden and took over afghanistan, when was hte last time germany or japan bombed us?  Hmmm

Anyone who says violence doesn't solve anything has never read a history book.

[Nationalist]

11 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Israelis with all the drones and intelligence that they have MUST provide solid proof that it was a failed rocket that hit the hospital. US can help in satellite images too. From the time and place it was launched to the time the same rocket hit the hospital. Hamas does not have airforce or satellites to do this. Regardless of this attack, Israeli army has murdered over 3000 civilians so far.

It appears Israeli army is chickening out to enter Gaza. Cowards. They are only courageous if they hide in a plane miles away and drop their bombs on civilians from a distance and then flee the scene. Murderous cowards. 

I was hoping that ground invasion means an end to aerial bombardment of Gaza as they won' t bomb their own soldiers and hence an end to civilian deaths.

Scramble scramble scramble...

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Israel must stop aerial bombardment of civilians in Gaza. Send the troops in to specifically target Hamas fighters and kill them. The world opinion will soon turn fiercely against Israel. There will be fierce possibly violent anti Israel demonstrations all over the world soon. There will be future terrorists attacking both Israel and the West. Hamas and likely most Arabs see the West responsible too for the unconditional support given to Israel. More bloodshed is not the answer. Stop the bombardment and mass murder of civilians in Gaza now.

Interesting.

Where were you and the other hypocrites when Ukraine was bombing the shit outta Donbas? Did you freak out in 2014?

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Interesting.

Where were you and the other hypocrites when Ukraine was bombing the shit outta Donbas? Did you freak out in 2014?

Damn. You are so ignorant. I have so many posts in Ukraine threads (I even open up one myself) calling on Russia to stop and condemning Russia hundred times over. Killing of civilians regardless of race or religion is evil and if you have humanity in you then you will condemn it too.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Damn. You are so ignorant. I have so many posts in Ukraine threads (I even open up one myself) calling on Russia to stop and condemning Russia hundred times over. Killing of civilians regardless of race or religion is evil and if you have humanity in you then you will condemn it too.

Huh?

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Interesting.

Where were you and the other hypocrites when Ukraine was bombing the shit outta Donbas? Did you freak out in 2014?

I was not and am not aware of 2014 bombardment by Ukraine likely because I was in Greece for a few months in that year. Besides as my name indicates I joined this forum in 2015 so in 2014 I wasn't here to post about it.

Edited October 18, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I was not and am not aware of 2014 bombardment by Ukraine likely because I was in Greece for a few months in that year. Besides as my name indicates I joined this forum in 2015 so in 2014 I wasn't here to post about it.

Well lets talk about modern day -  Right now Hamas is rocketing isreal. So why are you crying for the isrealis to cease their attacks on hamas without also demanding hamas cease attacking isreal?

Why it's almost as if you're on the terrorist's side    ROFLMAO

And isreal is missing a beat here - they should be demanding that hamas  surrender unconditionally and stop all attacks. The Gaza leadership is the only reason this war is still going on (and why it happened in the first place) and the world should be reminded daily that they can stop it in a heartbeat 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I was not and am not aware of 2014 bombardment by Ukraine likely because I was in Greece for a few months in that year. Besides as my name indicates I joined this forum in 2015 so in 2014 I wasn't here to post about it.

It was still going on in 2015...but ya...ok.

What DID you think of it all...at the time I mean.

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Israelis so far has killed 2500 confirmed civilians.  That is not counting the 500 deaths at the hospital because we are not sure at this time who did it.

Geez, why did they do that citizen? Did they wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

Honestly, use you brain to form some words that explain why Israel did that.

Is Israel targeting kids or terrorists, C2015?

Is it worse to kill kids or terrorists? 

In case you missed it, Hamas terrorists started this by MURDERING 1,400 men, women AND CHILDREN. They INTENTIONALLY MURDERED CHILDREN. Let that sink into your brain... MURDERED CHILDREN.

 

If some terrorists intentionally murder a man, a woman and two children (4 total), and you kill 6 terrorists, 1 woman and one kid unintentionally (8 total), does that make you twice as bad?

No, it does not. It means that you killed 6 people who don't even count (you've actually prevented more murders, so it's a net positive, not a negative) and the two people who were accidentally killed are actually the fault of the terrorists because they created a situation where people were going to be in grave danger.

 

The real body count is Hamas murdered 1,400 people, then the Israelis killed a bunch of terrorists, who don't count as people, and there were some others who dies as a result of the situation Hams created. The accidental deaths all count against Hamas and Israel equally. 

[Gaétan]

The Hamas attack is a revolt against the crimes of the oppressors. The American patriots revolted for a thousand times less than that.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The real body count is Hamas murdered 1,400 people, then the Israelis killed a bunch of terrorists, who don't count as people, and there were some others who dies as a result of the situation Hams created. The accidental deaths all count against Hamas and Israel equally. 

See - i would argue that the accidental or 'collateral' deaths as they're often called should be counted against hamas.

Hamas deliberatey chose to pick a violent war - knowing full well that isreal would retaliate and that gaza citizens would be hurt and killed.

They doubled down on that by putting their military assets in civilian areas so that it was impossible to hit them without hitting the civvies.

There would BE no civillian deaths in Gaza if they hadn't deliberately started a war they KNEW would HAVE to result in civvie deaths and in fact that was part of their plan. They obviously knew they had no means of stopping isreali counter attacks. 

ANd hamas could end this  this afternoon by surrendering.

So who's really responsible for all the civillain deaths? Spoiler - it's hamas.

[CITIZEN_2015]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Geez, why did they do that citizen? Did they wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

Honestly, use you brain to form some words that explain why Israel did that.

Is Israel targeting kids or terrorists, C2015?

Is it worse to kill kids or terrorists? 

In case you missed it, Hamas terrorists started this by MURDERING 1,400 men, women AND CHILDREN. They INTENTIONALLY MURDERED CHILDREN. Let that sink into your brain... MURDERED CHILDREN.

 

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Well are you blind to ask this question? Israel is killing BOTH kids and terrorists. More kids than terrorists.

The war of terror and terrorism started in the mid last century not last Saturday when Israeli settlers coming from Europe massacred many civilian Palestinians and terrorized them into leaving their homes becoming refugees in desert in tents for decades.

34 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

It was still going on in 2015...but ya...ok.

What DID you think of it all...at the time I mean.

Well now that I find out about it, I condemn it.

[CITIZEN_2015]

How the powerful Israel lobby all over the world control your minds and brainwash you.

 

 

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The war of terror and terrorism started in the mid last century not last Saturday

this war started last saturday. It was started by Gaza who targeted Only children and civilians.

We get it. You love hamas and gaza.  You want isreal to be to blame for this current war because 1948.

Doesn't work that way.  Hamas is responsible for this - Hamas can end this today.

[Nationalist]

30 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Well now that I find out about it, I condemn it.

Interesting. So how do you feel about the war in Ukraine?

[CITIZEN_2015]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Interesting. So how do you feel about the war in Ukraine?

Russia is killing innocent Ukrainians civilians and must stop. Fight the military if they wish but leave the defenseless civilians out of it. 

[WestCanMan]

31 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Well are you blind to ask this question? Israel is killing BOTH kids and terrorists. More kids than terrorists.

1) In any event, the deaths of terrorists don't count as "deaths of humans"

2) The only reason why civilians are dying at all is because Hamas launched a massive terrorist attack

3) The only reason kids are even in the line of fire is because Hamas terrorists choose to fire from locations that have large civilian populations around them. Islamic terrorist groups always use their own civilians as meat shields. 

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The war of terror and terrorism started in the mid last century not last Saturday when Israeli settlers coming from Europe massacred many civilian Palestinians and terrorized them into leaving their homes becoming refugees in desert in tents for decades.

Have you forgiven Pakistan for their two genocides in the millions? They killed about 5M men, women and children - not terrorists or soldiers. 

How did you forgive Pakistan for what they did in 1947 and 1971 but you can't forgive Israel what happened in 1948? Honestly, a lot of the incoming Jews in 1948 had been forced out of their homes when the islamic nations they lived in sided with Hitler. 

Muslims side with Hitler, Jews are forced out of those nations, the Jews move to Palestine and muslims are forced out, and only that last part's worth screaming about for 70 years...?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

The Hamas attack is a revolt against the crimes of the oppressors. The American patriots revolted for a thousand times less than that.

Who's oppressed Gaetan? The Jews have been oppressed in the ME crucible for centuries. 

Do you know that muslims don't let them pray at Temple Mount? That has been the case for centuries. Why is that? Is that not oppression? Do you even know why? Of  course not. Go find out yourself. I'm not your teacher. 

Islamic law is openly bigoted, it discriminates deeply against non-muslims. Citizens in islamic countries who aren't killed in genocides (not all that rare) pay an extra tax for living there, and they are forbidden to do certain things and to have jobs where they are in positions of power over muslims.

You can still see in Iran today that women don't get to decide what to wear on their own heads. Women are being whipped and put n jail for decades just for removing their hijabs. That's oppression, Gaetan.

The Israelis are oppressed from all sides... islamic countries have made war on them from day 1 and they still refuse to have diplomatic relations with them just because they aren't muslim and they're in the Holy Land.

How do I know that it's just because the Israelis aren't muslim, you ask?

These islamic countries that hate Israel "because of how bad they are" all accept Pakistan with open arms, and Pakistan is literally "100x worse than Israel". 

Pakistan was created in 1947 the same way as Israel, just 9 months earlier, and they promptly mass-murdered their way to an ethnically cleansed homeland. They killed millions of people. They had public executions and burned them alive so the ones who were left alive would flee. And that was just their first genocide. They killed another 3M people in a second genocide in 1971.

Muslims don't give a shit about those two actual genocides though, because it was just a bunch of Sikhs and Hindus, aka 'garbage people' to you, right, Gaetan?... They don't count? Just chuck their charred remains into a hole and forget about them...

But the muslims call what's happening in Gaza right now a genocide. Go figger. 

Pakistan committed TWO GENOCIDES, BOTH IN THE MILLIONS, and the muslims don't even talk about them. Pakistan is cool. But if Israel lets their guard down for a second 1,400 of them die, and God forbid they retaliate, because if they do "it's a genocide".

Shove your uninformed opinion where the sun doesn't shine you terrorist-loving bigot. 

Edited October 18, 2023 by WestCanMan

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Russia is killing innocent Ukrainians civilians and must stop. Fight the military if they wish but leave the defenseless civilians out of it. 

Even though you say you can't support the killing of innocent civilians by Ukraine in the eastern regions? Hmmm.

I never liked the idea of Russia invading Donbas and the other ethnic Russian provinces. But it seems that Ukraine was bent on killing every one of them, if that's what it took to maintain that land mass.

What's going on in Ukraine...and in Israel...are very complex situations. They are so as a result of the actions of the people residing in those places. Yet NATO and the USA insist on making these situations theirs to jump into. Apparently Biden is going to Israel...why? This is none of his bee's wax. Just like Ukraine is none of his or NATO's bee's wax. Yet at the cost of Mr. and Mrs. taxpayer...its our bee's wax.

The stupidity is monumental.

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

But it seems that Ukraine was bent on killing every one of them, if that's what it took to maintain that land mass.

You're not supposed to talk about Ukrainian Nazis or their war crimes...