Massive Die Off/ Extinction of Conservativism immanent..

[impartialobserver]

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're a perfect example of a person who has actual knowledge because they learned something by rote, but has no idea how to apply that knowledge in a real life situation.

Yes, you can kind of recite the definition of the word 'subjective', but you do not know how to use it properly in a sentence, and you don't inherently understand what it means. 

FYI just because an opinion about something is subjective does not mean that the thing in question can't be compared to other things. PERIOD.

Eg: The cheese was smelly. Not as smelly as a body that had been decomposing for 7 days, but still smelly. 

Do you carry around a smellometer io? Is there such a thing? Does smelliness register in Scoville units? Can a person really say "smellier than"? Of course. It's normal. You, however, are not. 

Just understand this:

Covidi0ts are by far the most credulous people on earth. They unquestioningly memorize every new tidbit of blatant disinformation that they receive from their thoroughly discredited sources, and then instantly start regurgitating it with the frothy mouthed conviction of a religious zealot. When new disinformation from their precious source eventually refutes the old info, they just replace the old disinformation without experiencing a moment's cognitive dissonance, and the new falsehoods become sacrosanct.

There's literally no talking to those people. They're like io: anything that rocks their boat has to be shouted down. 

More covid rambling.. just can't resist.. quite pathetic. You know that I do not care and yet you have to bring it up. 

So I know how it would go with you if you were in my position. Someone would ask you how many jobs were gained year over year in Elko County? A rational person would find the number for August 2023 (being that september is not out yet) and then the number for August 2022 and then do a percentage change. You on the other hand would digress into a bunch of drivel about covid and liberalism. 

My job is quantifying data and then doing analysis on it. Gullibility can not quantified or measured so therefore is no absolute way to prove person x is more gullible than person y. Besides, as always you leave out a ton of context needed to ever measure such a thing. 

If you must know.. how strong something smells can be measured. Just because someone does not carry the equipment on hand means nothing. Gullibility can not be measured no matter what someone does or says. 

[WestCanMan]

50 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

More covid rambling.. just can't resist.. quite pathetic. You know that I do not care and yet you have to bring it up. 

So I know how it would go with you if you were in my position. Someone would ask you how many jobs were gained year over year in Elko County? A rational person would find the number for August 2023 (being that september is not out yet) and then the number for August 2022 and then do a percentage change. You on the other hand would digress into a bunch of drivel about covid and liberalism. 

Quite wrong. I'm more than capable of figuring things like that out for myself. 

How do you think I figured out what % of covid deaths were occurring among the vaxed/unvaxed just from looking at these charts? 

If you can do it, you'll be the only leftist here that can understand it, and that's after I explained it to them all 100 times. 

Go for it, genius. Look at those charts and tell me what % of the covid deaths in Canada were among the vaxed/unvaxed. 

[WestCanMan]

io, are you good with stats?

Maybe you can take John Elflein's job at Statista.

Look what that stupid a55hole said about covid deaths by vax status in Sept 2022:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1257040/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-vaccination-status/

He confused "2x vaccinated but not 3xvaxed or 4x-vaxed" with the number of Canadians who were "fully vaccinated". 

Do you know who's considered"fully vaccinated", by Elfie's guesstimate, on that chart?

1) People who were briefly 2x-vaxed but on their way to becoming 3x and 4x vaxed,

plus

2) Young, healthy people who didn't need the vax at all but were forced to get 2 doses so that they could keep their jobs or go out in public. Those people form the vast majority of the "fully protected" on that chart. 

Re: elfie, it's not the first time he crunched up those misleading numbers, either. He did it every time a new chart came out. I emailed him about it 2 or 3 times and he kept doing it. It wasn't long after I started emailing idjit John that Health Canada stopped releasing that data to the public altogether. 

Was that intentional disinformation from Statista? Maybe? 

Probably. Nope. It's way more likely than just probably.

IMO it's almost impossible for someone to get a job at a company called "Statista" where they're trusted to post their own comments online and still be as hopelessly inept at calculating the most basic stats as John Elflein appears to be. 

[WestCanMan]

io, look at this...

 

ONLY 4.5% OF COVID DEATHS WERE AMONG THE 4X-VAXED By Sept 25 2022!!!

This is right from Health Canada's own infobase site:

Is that impressive do ya think, Mr stats genius?

Surely a guy with your math credentials can tell us just how impressive it is based on the above information, all of which comes from our Cdn gov.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Is there too much oxygen in the atmosphere? Are conservatives anaerobic? 

[impartialobserver]

18 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Quite wrong. I'm more than capable of figuring things like that out for myself. 

How do you think I figured out what % of covid deaths were occurring among the vaxed/unvaxed just from looking at these charts? 

If you can do it, you'll be the only leftist here that can understand it, and that's after I explained it to them all 100 times. 

Go for it, genius. Look at those charts and tell me what % of the covid deaths in Canada were among the vaxed/unvaxed. 

Covid is not the topic.... nice try. Actually this demonstrates yet again that your bias gets in the way of you doing any actual objective analysis. 

17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

io, are you good with stats?

Maybe you can take John Elflein's job at Statista.

Look what that stupid a55hole said about covid deaths by vax status in Sept 2022:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1257040/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-vaccination-status/

He confused "2x vaccinated but not 3xvaxed or 4x-vaxed" with the number of Canadians who were "fully vaccinated". 

Do you know who's considered"fully vaccinated", by Elfie's guesstimate, on that chart?

1) People who were briefly 2x-vaxed but on their way to becoming 3x and 4x vaxed,

plus

2) Young, healthy people who didn't need the vax at all but were forced to get 2 doses so that they could keep their jobs or go out in public. Those people form the vast majority of the "fully protected" on that chart. 

Re: elfie, it's not the first time he crunched up those misleading numbers, either. He did it every time a new chart came out. I emailed him about it 2 or 3 times and he kept doing it. It wasn't long after I started emailing idjit John that Health Canada stopped releasing that data to the public altogether. 

Was that intentional disinformation from Statista? Maybe? 

Probably. Nope. It's way more likely than just probably.

IMO it's almost impossible for someone to get a job at a company called "Statista" where they're trusted to post their own comments online and still be as hopelessly inept at calculating the most basic stats as John Elflein appears to be. 

Again, covid is not the topic. You are so desperate for me to wade into these waters. Why? If you have it all figured out already.. why do you need my input or affirmation? 

[impartialobserver]

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Just understand this:

Covidi0ts are by far the most credulous people on earth. They unquestioningly memorize every new tidbit of blatant disinformation that they receive from their thoroughly discredited sources, and then instantly start regurgitating it with the frothy mouthed conviction of a religious zealot. When new disinformation from their precious source eventually refutes the old info, they just replace the old disinformation without experiencing a moment's cognitive dissonance, and the new falsehoods become sacrosanct.

Piece of advice.... this is one clue that you give out to show that show want affirmation. "Just understand this"... is you begging for me to tell you what you want to hear. If you want to not convey this.. try something like, "It is my belief that". 

Yes, you are correct that most things in the news are purely subjective and full of bias. Here is where we differ. I know this and immediately classify it as opinion and therefore not untouchable gospel or fact. The "opinion " of someone on TV is not something that I would put a lot of stock in. You, on the other hand, view the subjective opinions of these folks as statements of fact.. Sad but true. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by impartialobserver

[Hodad]

58 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Covid is not the topic.... nice try. Actually this demonstrates yet again that your bias gets in the way of you doing any actual objective analysis. 

Again, covid is not the topic. You are so desperate for me to wade into these waters. Why? If you have it all figured out already.. why do you need my input or affirmation? 

 

58 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Covid is not the topic.... nice try. Actually this demonstrates yet again that your bias gets in the way of you doing any actual objective analysis. 

Again, covid is not the topic. You are so desperate for me to wade into these waters. Why? If you have it all figured out already.. why do you need my input or affirmation? 

You are absolutely right--and faster than the rest of us. It took most of us many weeks and dozens of posts to stop taking the bait and just ignore the COVID obsession. The poor logic and statistical malpractice are annoying, but it's like trying to reason with a religious zealot. It's not fun and has no possibility of success.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Hodad

[WestCanMan]

47 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Piece of advice.... this is one clue that you give out to show that show want affirmation. "Just understand this"... is you begging for me to tell you what you want to hear. If you want to not convey this.. try something like, "It is my belief that". 

Yes, you are correct that most things in the news are purely subjective and full of bias. Here is where we differ. I know this and immediately classify it as opinion and therefore not untouchable gospel or fact. The "opinion " of someone on TV is not something that I would put a lot of stock in. You, on the other hand, view the subjective opinions of these folks as statements of fact.. Sad but true. 

Piece of advice, don't try to weasel away from a reasonable statement by just saying "Too subjective". 

You either don't understand what that word means, you don't understand what the word credulous actually means, or you don't have a strong enough understanding of the covid data to chime in on the topic.

Choosing any one of those 3 options is fine for you, and you even can do so without admitting to it by just keeping your trap shut, but don't try to pontificate to me or anyone else about subjectivity or stats: you're just not an intelligent person. 

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

 

You are absolutely right--and faster than the rest of us. It took most of us many weeks and dozens of posts to stop taking the bait and just ignore the COVID obsession. The poor logic and statistical malpractice are annoying, but it's like trying to reason with a religious zealot. It's not fun and has no possibility of success.

Awww, poor little Hodad is still butthurt because he was proven to be wrong lol. 

Like I told you 100 times: covid deaths were up by 24% in 2022, 86% of covid deaths in this country were among the multi-vaxed, and that means that more "multi-vaxed" people died in 2022 than the total number of covid deaths in any prior year. (.86 x 19,000 = 16,340 m-vaxed deaths. The highest number of covid deaths before 2022 was less than 16K).

Those are just stats for you to deal with and I'm just the messenger - those aren't my opinions. 

After we gave out the polio/TB/smallpox vaccines, did deaths go up by 24%? No, because those are actual vaccines. 

Did more vaccinated people die of polio/TB/smallpox in the years after the vaccines were rolled out than the number of unvaxed from prior years? No, because those are actual vaccines. 

You're using the word vaccine wrong, dumbass, and I'm not nearly as obsessed with the topic of covid as all of you covidi0ts were, I don't spend 24 hrs a day worrying about it, waving the pom-poms for vax-fascism, and I don't tell other people what to do.

Go ahead and take the jab if you want, whiner. I don't give a rat's arse what you do. Just don't bring your low-IQ drivel here in favour of the jab because I'll just keep dummying you. 

[impartialobserver]

54 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Piece of advice, don't try to weasel away from a reasonable statement by just saying "Too subjective". 

You either don't understand what that word means, you don't understand what the word credulous actually means, or you don't have a strong enough understanding of the covid data to chime in on the topic.

Choosing any one of those 3 options is fine for you, and you even can do so without admitting to it by just keeping your trap shut, but don't try to pontificate to me or anyone else about subjectivity or stats: you're just not an intelligent person. 

Still seeking my affirmation... why?

[impartialobserver]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

 

You are absolutely right--and faster than the rest of us. It took most of us many weeks and dozens of posts to stop taking the bait and just ignore the COVID obsession. The poor logic and statistical malpractice are annoying, but it's like trying to reason with a religious zealot. It's not fun and has no possibility of success.

He is indeed a zealot. Zealots crave affirmation. It is both fascinating and pathetic that no matter the topic.. he always steers it back to covid. There are boatloads of statistics in this world that are not covid... I know because I construct them. Examples are jobs, wages, unemployment, unemployment rate, number of firms, wages by industry, unemployment insurance claims by county.. still not a mention of covid. 

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Still seeking my affirmation... why?

Nowhere in any of my posts do I seek your affirmation. 

You have the opportunity to learn from them or not. I couldn't care less about you. Like Hodad, you've chosen to believe in the pseudovax no matter what evidence is presented to you, you're part of the credulous horde I've been talking about. 

I do care that the record here is set straight though. This isn't a place where we can pretend that conservatives are all bad and the vax is perfect, etc. 

[impartialobserver]

22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Nowhere in any of my posts do I seek your affirmation. 

You have the opportunity to learn from them or not. I couldn't care less about you. Like Hodad, you've chosen to believe in the pseudovax no matter what evidence is presented to you, you're part of the credulous horde I've been talking about. 

I do care that the record here is set straight though. This isn't a place where we can pretend that conservatives are all bad and the vax is perfect, etc. 

I challenge you to show where I have posted that I am in favor of the vax, vax mandates, and such. This is another way that you continually your lack of objectivity.. the assumptions. Your opinions are based on assumptions... If you are a true analyst or researcher, you do not assume. 

If you were not seeking my affirmation.. you would not keep responding. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Awww, poor little Hodad is still butthurt because he was proven to be wrong lol. 

Like I told you 100 times: covid deaths were up by 24% in 2022, 86% of covid deaths in this country were among the multi-vaxed, and that means that more "multi-vaxed" people died in 2022 than the total number of covid deaths in any prior year. (.86 x 19,000 = 16,340 m-vaxed deaths. The highest number of covid deaths before 2022 was less than 16K).

Those are just stats for you to deal with and I'm just the messenger - those aren't my opinions. 

After we gave out the polio/TB/smallpox vaccines, did deaths go up by 24%? No, because those are actual vaccines. 

Did more vaccinated people die of polio/TB/smallpox in the years after the vaccines were rolled out than the number of unvaxed from prior years? No, because those are actual vaccines. 

You're using the word vaccine wrong, dumbass, and I'm not nearly as obsessed with the topic of covid as all of you covidi0ts were, I don't spend 24 hrs a day worrying about it, waving the pom-poms for vax-fascism, and I don't tell other people what to do.

Go ahead and take the jab if you want, whiner. I don't give a rat's arse what you do. Just don't bring your low-IQ drivel here in favour of the jab because I'll just keep dummying you. 

And like I've told you a hundred times, counting total deaths is not a way to evaluate efficacy. You can do as much math as your rabid little heart desires, but until you do the right math you're just fooling yourself with this nonsense.  

At any rate, you can go on shaking your fist and shouting at the sky. You're very obviously beyond reason and I'm not interested in a religious debate.

[impartialobserver]

today's task would be above WCM's intellect. It is to sync up, licensing data and occupational data. There is no direct link or common column. So how is it done.. You search the description field of the occupation and then do the same for the license description and do what is called a "Fuzzy Match". "Fuzzy" because it is not direct such as look for x in one column and then x in another column. There are a list of words found in the license description that trigger a match. For example.. cosmetology. We look for "hair dressing", "nail care", "styling", "skin care", etc in the license description and if we find them then we match it up to the occupational code whose descriptions contains the same words. If this was subjective.. the words would be interpreted differently depending on the subject .. who is reading them. We take the subjectivity out by having a defined set of words and only using them. The choice of words to use in a match is not up to me.. 

[WestCanMan]

48 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I challenge you to show where I have posted that I am in favor of the vax, vax mandates, and such. This is another way that you continually your lack of objectivity.. the assumptions. Your opinions are based on assumptions... If you are a true analyst or researcher, you do not assume. 

If you were not seeking my affirmation.. you would not keep responding. 

All you do is chip away at the topic from the side but you will never talk about it directly. You claim to be a stats guy but you wanna do anything but examine the topic from a statistical POV. That's weird. 

It's not an assumption to say that deaths were up by 24%, that's just a stat. 

It's not an assumption to say that 86% of covid deaths were among the vaxed, that's just a stat.

The only assumption was you thinking that you could get a grasp of this - you can't.

 

[impartialobserver]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

All you do is chip away at the topic from the side but you will never talk about it directly. You claim to be a stats guy but you wanna do anything but examine the topic from a statistical POV. That's weird. 

It's not an assumption to say that deaths were up by 24%, that's just a stat. 

It's not an assumption to say that 86% of covid deaths were among the vaxed, that's just a stat.

The only assumption was you thinking that you could get a grasp of this - you can't.

 

So in this case.. you should stop being such a coward and admit that you have nothing to back up your assumption (look below). I will play your silly game if you own up to this. Silly is the operative word because it is doubtful that I have access to the raw data. 

 

Like Hodad, you've chosen to believe in the pseudovax no matter what evidence is presented to you, you're part of the credulous horde I've been talking about. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by impartialobserver

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

So in this case.. you should stop being such a coward and admit that you have nothing to back up your assumption (look below). I will play your silly game if you own up to this. Silly is the operative word because it is doubtful that I have access to the raw data. 

 

Like Hodad, you've chosen to believe in the pseudovax no matter what evidence is presented to you, you're part of the credulous horde I've been talking about. 

I have everything to back up my statement. For some reason you just don't have the stones to look at covid data and that's weird because covid was the biggest part of all of our lives for 2 years.  

Who would choose to remain in the dark? 

Be thankful that you have the data that I saved. It has the actual number of deaths for the vaxed and unvaxed over a time frame that's long enough to have 1,000 outcomes and short enough to represent a relatively stable ratio of vaxed to unvaxed. I have that data for several consecutive month-long periods. Slam dunk. 

No one's making it easy to figure out how many people are dying after vaxing. Some people here actually believed it was almost zero because that's basically what they were told. The only data that the US gov't ever gives out is some charts that say:

"If you look at the numbers that we pulled out of our asses, it says "the jabs are wonderful". See here? Everything above this line here where it says "wonderful line" is wonderful. Everything below the frowny face line shows how sad all the unvaxed people were right before they all died. Don't be a racist: vax." 

I'm actually quite shocked that our Cdn gov't posted those actual stats because Trudeau was one of the worst vax-Nazis on the planet. I think that they were actually expecting the vax's stats to speak for themselves, partly because they cherry-picked the best start date the vax manufacturers could have hoped for. The timeline starts in the middle of the very first all-out covid flu season (winter 2020) with all 38M Canadians unvaxed, and then by the time the number of 2x-vaxed people was substantial it was summer, when almost no one dies of covid. The vax's stats weren't speaking for themselves, and then they got yanked. 

More deaths than ever in 2022 and 86% of them were among the vaxed. Oopsie!  

[impartialobserver]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I have everything to back up my statement. For some reason you just don't have the stones to look at covid data and that's weird because covid was the biggest part of all of our lives for 2 years.  

Who would choose to remain in the dark? 

Be thankful that you have the data that I saved. It has the actual number of deaths for the vaxed and unvaxed over a time frame that's long enough to have 1,000 outcomes and short enough to represent a relatively stable ratio of vaxed to unvaxed. I have that data for several consecutive month-long periods. Slam dunk. 

No one's making it easy to figure out how many people are dying after vaxing. Some people here actually believed it was almost zero because that's basically what they were told. The only data that the US gov't ever gives out is some charts that say:

"If you look at the numbers that we pulled out of our asses, it says "the jabs are wonderful". See here? Everything above this line here where it says "wonderful line" is wonderful. Everything below the frowny face line shows how sad all the unvaxed people were right before they all died. Don't be a racist: vax." 

I'm actually quite shocked that our Cdn gov't posted those actual stats because Trudeau was one of the worst vax-Nazis on the planet. I think that they were actually expecting the vax's stats to speak for themselves, partly because they cherry-picked the best start date the vax manufacturers could have hoped for. The timeline starts in the middle of the very first all-out covid flu season (winter 2020) with all 38M Canadians unvaxed, and then by the time the number of 2x-vaxed people was substantial it was summer, when almost no one dies of covid. The vax's stats weren't speaking for themselves, and then they got yanked. 

More deaths than ever in 2022 and 86% of them were among the vaxed. Oopsie!  

Interesting how as always you dodge that you made an accusation, could not back it up, and when called on the carpet... dodge. Own up to this and we can proceed. This shows that you have some character.. which you show little of. What is the accusation that I speak of well then look below.. Your zealousness stops you from being even a pi$$ poor researcher/analyst. 

Like Hodad, you've chosen to believe in the pseudovax no matter what evidence is presented to you, you're part of the credulous horde I've been talking about. 

Edited September 30, 2023 by impartialobserver

[Caswell Thomas]

Personally I think this is Gods way of eliminating a species he doesn't think worked outstanding. The first time he sent a meteor and in a few years it wiped out the dinosaurs who were " all mouth and had tiny brains, and failed to get much done, even in herds",  This time he sent Trump and he and his followers will wipe out Americas current deadliest species ..the Republicans, who are similar. Remember God loves America and made us the greatest nation in the world based on Democracy, it's not wise to mess with God's decisions. 

[robosmith]

On 9/26/2023 at 8:17 PM, Nationalist said:

Yet you can't provide this wonderful truth or proof.

Understood.

You understand NOTHING about climate science. 

You just put your hands over your eyes and CRY NO PROOF, NO PROOF. LMAO

No one here is going to TEACH you enough for you to understand the issue.

Read Scientific American IF you really care enough to understand.

We KNOW you are too lazy, too stupid, or BOTH. Duh

 

[robosmith]

On 9/28/2023 at 11:07 AM, WestCanMan said:

Buddy, I offered you the chance to pick a group of people whose credulity is comparable to that of the covidi0ts and you declined, saying that it was too subjective of a thing to measure.

Those guys watched the back-peddling go all the way from "safe and effective, resulting in herd immunity" to "it kills less people than it saves, we never said anything about herd immunity, and we still think it's somewhat effective".

But "somewhat effective" resulted in 24% more covid deaths in Canada in 2022 (85% vaxed) than 2020 (0% vaxed). And approximately 86% of those deaths in 2022 were among the multi-vaxed, which means that MORE VAXED PEOPLE DIED OF COVID HERE IN 2022 THAN UNVAXED DIED IN 2020. You know, 2020, when there was no vax, and covid was a 'novel virus' so the "experts" were saying that most of our immune systems couldn't fight it...

Dude, the 'vax' is absolutely not a 'vaccine'. It should be an actual crime to use that word for the covid shot. 

None of these covidi0ts will even look at the stats. Some of them still think that vaxed people don't die of covid, period, and if you hand them the stats they will either treat you like a monster or look away. Then they will tell their 25 yr old kids that they can't come visit them unless they're vaxed. 

These people are f'ing sick. They aren't just credulous, they're brainwashed to the point of refusing knowledge and willfully harming their fellow Canadians/risking the health of their own children. And they won't even ask if vaxed people are dying of covid. They do not want to know. They want their vax fairy tale and they're scorched earth on everything else. 

Contrary to your naive assumptions, you have NOT evaluated all the statistics and mechanisms by which disease spreads. Doctors have, and therefore have GREATER EXPERTISE to make VALID JUDGEMENTS THAN YOU.

On 9/28/2023 at 11:50 AM, WestCanMan said:

Long story short, you're quite convinced that your arse is where your head needs to be. Hit the skids you worthless little sycophant. 

So ^intellectual bankruptcy rears it's ugly head again. Run out of arguments and resort to juvenile name calling. Congrats.

[robosmith]

On 9/28/2023 at 12:51 PM, Nationalist said:

Things do change. But when a change is choked down everyone's throat and costs everyone money, many don't have, without a concrete reason...THAT my fine feathered friend...IS ABUSE OF POWER...and fcking bullshit!

Now...time to put up or shut up.

Is there any real and irrefutable evidence or solid facts available, that justify the imposition of these measures the governments have taken, at the expense of the public they are supposed to work for?

Yes there is, and your inability to understand it does not invalidate it.

[robosmith]

On 9/28/2023 at 1:29 PM, CdnFox said:

That doesn't make all change good or that we shouldn't look at whether it's change we  want.

I seem to recall a few people on the left complaining about change when the same SCOTUS decided abortion wasn't constitutionally protected.   

Guess you MISSED that it was MAJORITIES in several states that VOTED on the ISSUE SO FAR....