Dougie93 Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, Contrarian said: What do you do to calm the animal inside? direct re;relationship with a supernatural God Jesus of Nazareth walking beside me, in the room with me a calming hand upon my shoulder, a mountain at my back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 Apparently the F-35 still has the bay for a refuelling probe but it was considered cheaper to add booms to a few existing tankers than install probes on the entire F-35A fleet. As the CC-150's are being replaced it seems sensible to have the replacements equipped with booms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Contrarian said: When I will go there at 7 pm, DIRECT too, no middle men. God save you, brother I pray for the Nazarene to come to your salvation He is not in a book, He is not in a Church He walks amongst us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Yes, every week I see you trying to convert me. there is no need for conversion the Nazarene is YHWH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 22 hours ago, BeaverFever said: I believe only 2 of the 14 are leased the rest are RAF afaik, the entire fleet of fourteen is operated by a private company called AirTanker Services Ltd Airtanker then contracts services to the RAF to include air refuelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 15 hours ago, Aristides said: No one is saying they are converted airliners, they are based on an airliner. Purpose built freighters don't have windows. A purpose built B747 freighter won't have windows on the main deck, converted aircraft will have blanked out windows. Still the same airframe. point being that the P-8 is a dedicated combat aircraft which cannot be owned & operated by civilians A330MRTT on the other hand is not a combat aircraft and could be contracted out to civil aviation furthermore, the bulk of Canada's air refuelling has been provided by allies for decades so air tanking is not and never has been a core RCAF capability when you have a government which is as ludicrously dysfunctional as Canada's you are hard pressed to generate any combat power at all so spending billions on a non combat aircraft which is not core capability is typical of how Canada's wastes it's modest defence budget on overhead resulting in poorly equipped Canadian soldiers being sent to their deaths in the forlorn hope when Canada deploys them to some "Peacekeeping" mission which actually turns out to be a war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: point being that the P-8 is a dedicated combat aircraft which cannot be owned & operated by civilians A330MRTT on the other hand is not a combat aircraft and could be contracted out to civil aviation furthermore, the bulk of Canada's air refuelling has been provided by allies for decades so air tanking is not and never has been a core RCAF capability when you have a government which is as ludicrously dysfunctional as Canada's you are hard pressed to generate any combat power at all so spending billions on a non combat aircraft which is not core capability is typical of how Canada's wastes it's modest defence budget on overhead resulting in poorly equipped Canadian soldiers being sent to their deaths in the forlorn hope when Canada deploys them to some "Peacekeeping" mission which actually turns out to be a war Because the aircraft has a different purpose. The P8 is a combat aircraft with sophisticated surveillance and weapons systems, transports and tankers are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Aristides said: Because the aircraft has a different purpose. The P8 is a combat aircraft with sophisticated surveillance and weapons systems, transports and tankers are not. again, this is part of the pathology of Canada, the Canadian Disease the RCAF is not an expeditionary force, it does not actually function as an air force Canadian troops invariably rely on allied air forces for support in theatre thus spending billions upon billions on the useless for war "Air Command" is throwing good money after bad Canada should massively scale back its delusional military aspirations the bulk of the military should be the Militia, with a small Regular Force the navy & air force should be scaled down, like in Ireland or New Zealand Edited July 29, 2023 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 I don't know that we need nine but you would think that if anyone needed inflight refuelling capability it would be one the size of Canada. Particularly if we want our F-35's to operate without having to carry external fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Aristides said: I don't know that we need nine but you would think that if anyone needed inflight refuelling capability it would be one the size of Canada. Particularly if we want our F-35's to operate without having to carry external fuel. the F-35 carries as much internal fuel ( 18,500 lbs ) as a 4th gen fighter with three external tanks however, since America actually defends the Continent to include Canada there is no requirement for F-35's never mind tankers to refuel them like New Zealand, Canada could very easily operate without any fighters at all the Army does the fighting for Canada, the CF is an expeditionary infantry force stop starving the Army of resources to pay for Justin Trudeau's flying limousine service cannot simply does not need an Air Force One nor can Canada actually afford one, considering how much Canada pays for overhead Edited July 29, 2023 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted July 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 18 hours ago, Dougie93 said: non military surveillance tasks fall under the mandate of Transport Canada National Aerial Surveillance Program RCAF also conducts fishery, environmental and smuggling patrols via the CP-140. I don’t know how the various ministries agencies including Transport, Fisheries, and Coast Guard decide who does what but they all seem to have some overlap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted July 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 On 7/27/2023 at 4:19 PM, Dougie93 said: BS, it will all be in Trenton, the RCAF won't have budget for a "western base", that's just blah blah blah your argument is flawed by the assertion that Canada "needs" any particular military capabilities everything is optional when you are unmartial imbecilic Canada You’re just a disgruntled citizen who will invent an excuse to criticize anything and everything the government does especially if it’s a Liberal government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted July 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 18 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Do other nations have bright red planes that say "SURVEILLANCE" on them? Honest to God that looks like something from an episode of Trailer Park Boys. All of a sudden I wanna get a pilot's license, a plane, paint it red, and write "Surveillance" on the bottom of it. I'll just be laughing my ass off thinking about all the people burning down their marijuana crops and destroying all kinds of other evidence as I fly overhead. Yes. It’s not meant to be covert, it’s meant to be a visible presence. It’s conducted by TRANSPORT CANADA, not military or law enforcement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: You’re just a disgruntled citizen who will invent an excuse to criticize anything and everything the government does especially if it’s a Liberal government. you're just a TruAnon cult member suffering from typical Canadian delusions of grandeur syndrome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: the F-35 carries as much internal fuel ( 18,500 lbs ) as a 4th gen fighter with three external tanks however, since America actually defends the Continent to include Canada there is no requirement for F-35's never mind tankers to refuel them like New Zealand, Canada could very easily operate without any fighters at all the Army does the fighting for Canada, the CF is an expeditionary infantry force stop starving the Army of resources to pay for Justin Trudeau's flying limousine service cannot simply does not need an Air Force One nor can Canada actually afford one, considering how much Canada pays for overhead The Army has to get there somehow. I agree that we don't need a CanForce 1 for VIP travel. The RAF Voyager fitted for VIP use is also a tanker. The King and PM use it, the rest of the Royals fly commercial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 21 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: RCAF also conducts fishery, environmental and smuggling patrols via the CP-140. I don’t know how the various ministries agencies including Transport, Fisheries, and Coast Guard decide who does what but they all seem to have some overlap you've convinced me that Canada does not need CP-140 never mind P-8 Canada is not serious about fulfilling its military obligations and Canada is never going to get serious about its military obligations so it is a complete waste of scarce resources for Canada to operate any combat aircraft at all this isn't really the RCAF anyways, the RCAF was disbanded in 1968 this is only the Liberals post amalgamation Air Command said Air Command does not need to pretend to be an air force it is merely an "air service", requiring only some tactical helicopters and perhaps C-130 this is the trajectory in any case the amalgamated "CAF" has already collapsed down to an armed constabulary rather than a military stop throwing good money after bad and just get on with it already return the money to the taxpayer, or spend the money on the failing socialist public healthcare debacle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted July 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 18 hours ago, Dougie93 said: HM The King favours austerity he's long said that he would cut the budget and downsize the Firm I call BS. Royalty are symbolic figureheads who have no say over budgets or government policy and don’t express political opinions publicly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: The Army has to get there somehow. commercial air transport to the theatre, then dismount and get on buses which is how the army always deploys the CAF is not capable of conducting a forced entry operation into any theatre Just now, BeaverFever said: I call BS. Royalty are symbolic figureheads who have no say over budgets or government policy and don’t express political opinions publicly let the RAF provide their VVIP lift Canada will pay AIrTanker Ltd which operates the MRTT as a contracted service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted July 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 On 7/28/2023 at 3:47 AM, Dougie93 said: Justin Trudeau's flying limousine should not be the priority Its absolutely dishonest and inaccurate to call the MRTT fleet that. JT likely won’t even be PM when the aircraft are delivered. Your obsession with trolling Trudeau means you support defunding core strategic capabilities just ‘pwn the libs.” Get real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Its absolutely dishonest and inaccurate to call the MRTT fleet that. JT likely won’t even be PM when the aircraft are delivered. Your obsession with trolling Trudeau means you support defunding core strategic capabilities just ‘pwn the libs.” Get real oh JT is quite confident that he is going to persist past 2025 Canada is easily dominated by the TruAnon cult of the personality enabled by its own state media propaganda apparatus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 We only have 5 Polaris. What are they planning that will make 9 of these new aircraft necessary? Dougie93 has a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: We only have 5 Polaris. What are they planning that will make 9 of these new aircraft necessary? Dougie93 has a point. the reason is that Trudeau needs a rubric under which he can buy himself an "Air Force One" so he can arrive in style at the Globalist events he cavorts about to the RAAF only has 7 MRTT's for a larger more capable air force but the Australian PM only flies in a modest B737 as if the Woke Liberals really care at all about "strategic airlift" this is all about the TruAnon cult and its penchant for self aggrandizement Justin Nero fiddles while the Confederation burns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 27 minutes ago, Aristides said: Dougie93 has a point. Australian PM flies in B737 HM Royal Australian Navy has aircraft carriers Canadian PM flies in A330MRTT "Canadian Forces Maritime Command" has patrol boats see how that works ? that is DND in a nutshell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 Australia has 7 MRTT's and a fighter force of 118 aircraft vs our 88 F-35's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 29, 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: Australia has 7 MRTT's and a fighter force of 118 aircraft vs our 88 F-35's who says Canada is even getting 88 F-35's ? that number has a lot of room to be trimmed down if F-35 doesn't get cancelled altogether once the government spirals into a debt crisis more likely Canada will end up with 40 F-35's at most the minimum requirement to field two squadrons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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