BeaverFever Posted November 9, 2024 Author Report Posted November 9, 2024 On 11/6/2024 at 7:29 PM, Army Guy said: he does not sound like he has spent a lot of time in the field....i say that becasue one does not jump in a puddle to get your feet wet before a patrol,on purpose anyways, I’ll admit I was surprised by that anecdote too but assume since he knows he’s talking to an audience that is almost exclusively army members there must be some truth to it. He’s a Major from 1 R22eR and he mentions he’s done arctic training so I also assume he must have some knowledge. As part of the same initiative he was also behind all those MRZR weapons trials that 3 RCR has been doing over the past couple of years. Quote
BeaverFever Posted November 9, 2024 Author Report Posted November 9, 2024 On 11/6/2024 at 7:29 PM, Army Guy said: just for the life of me can not see this purchase on a positive side...Is it better than walking sure it is, but tell me is Ukraine using a veh like, must be a reason for it...Why would we send it over to Latvia when most of Russian troops are at least mechanized...even their Light Infantry are armed with BMD's and light tanks... Because dismounted operations still happen but in age of the drone this requires dispersed operations and dismounted troops need to ingress and egress much faster. You can’t truck in entire platoons to a big staging area or march them all day across open terrain anymore. You need to speed each individual section directly to its own objective Quote
Army Guy Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 44 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: I’ll admit I was surprised by that anecdote too but assume since he knows he’s talking to an audience that is almost exclusively army members there must be some truth to it. He’s a Major from 1 R22eR and he mentions he’s done arctic training so I also assume he must have some knowledge. As part of the same initiative he was also behind all those MRZR weapons trials that 3 RCR has been doing over the past couple of years. In my entire 34 years of service not once has some senior member told me to get my boots wet so i can focus..Those rookie soldiers that have got their boots wet on purpose when they did not have to, learned that lesson the hard way...every soldier knows you need to keep your feet dry as long as possible, for as long as possiable wet feet get colder very fast, wet socks will chaff the shit out of your feet, cause serious problems in short order...one thing a soldiers does carry is more socks, and if patrolling a lot a second pair of boots... Being a Major one would think he would know what he talking about, but you know what they say, if you know jack shit then you teach or become a project manger........and being a vandoo makes it worse as i know they know better.... The razor purchase makes sense, as the light Infantry traditionally never had heavy weapons' like TOW, 81 mm Mortars, even 40 mm C-16 very heavy weapons takes 3 or 4 guys to haul all that around on foot...So ya hauling heavy weapons around in a small light veh makes sense...but this veh as a source of transport is to noisy, bulky, and in complex terrain will be useless...all the things he talked about....and everything he said about LAV's, is false the benefit of having a 25 mm on a mobile platform out wieghs all the negatives he mentioned.....and then the comment about well we could put on heavy doors and armor but the enemy will just attack with a larger weapon ....makes no sense, if this vehicle is ambushed or engaged they are going to target it with everything they have no one is going to say stop it's a light veh only small arms fire... Anyways he does not sell it very well...i'm sure it is a blast boonie blasting around the training area...but there are many better solutions out there than this rig....and if it was sooo good why are our SF guys not using it... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 56 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Because dismounted operations still happen but in age of the drone this requires dispersed operations and dismounted troops need to ingress and egress much faster. You can’t truck in entire platoons to a big staging area or march them all day across open terrain anymore. You need to speed each individual section directly to its own objective Military has been doing this for decades, trucking, or inserting by helo, landing 10 to 15 kms from the objective and then dismounting...You want to get on the X quicker you do that in an IFV and in force, do it in an IFV...nothing is faster across rough terrain....lets remember the army is a combined ops force, and it depends for it's survival on all the branches, tanks, arty, combat engs, helos and fast air...and in some cases Naval assets...very rarely do they act alone, shit even the SF boys rely on support from other military assets... Even mech forces do dismounted ops all the time it is not uncommon to walk in "all night" and attack at dawn, take the objective and either wait for follow up forces, and resupply, very rarely do we bug out unless it is a raid or taking out a target...And if it is a raid then we are taking our IFV with us.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
BeaverFever Posted November 9, 2024 Author Report Posted November 9, 2024 13 minutes ago, Army Guy said: n my entire 34 years of service not once has some senior member told me to get my boots wet so i can focus..Those rookie soldiers that have got their boots wet on purpose when they did not have to, learned that lesson the hard way...every soldier knows you need to keep your feet dry as long as possible, for as long as possiable wet feet get colder very fast, wet socks will chaff the shit out of your feet, cause serious problems in short order...one thing a soldiers does carry is more socks, and if patrolling a lot a second pair of boots... Yeah his comment was surprising and weird. I can’t defend it, what I am trying to say is that my time as a private in a LI Reserve regiment doesn’t qualify me to challenge him. 17 minutes ago, Army Guy said: The razor purchase makes sense, as the light Infantry traditionally never had heavy weapons' like TOW, 81 mm Mortars, even 40 mm C-16 very heavy weapons takes 3 or 4 guys to haul all that around on foot...So ya hauling heavy weapons around in a small light veh makes sense... But the trials showed (apparently) that the razor was not up to the task especially n the .50 cal as the recoil made the suspension bounce around so much you couldn’t hit the target after the first round. They said they needed something “way more robust” so had to upgrade from ATV to something with a proper vehicle chassis 27 minutes ago, Army Guy said: and if it was sooo good why are our SF guys not using it... They have MRZRS and Dagors for this role, which are similarly unarmored open topped and I believe even lighter than this vehicle. Who knows maybe of they need to move as sections instead of smaller units maybe they will grab some. Quote
Gaétan Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 10 hours ago, Army Guy said: Didn't you hear, he is going to cut off the free drug supply and get you treatment instead of feeding your addiction...then round all those just like you gaetan make you wear a huge L on your t shirt, send you and mom to BC where once they collect enough of your kind.....your going to be shipped off to china, to work in some sweat shop, making rubber dog sh*t toys.... Poilievre is not morally fit to lead the country, despite the 200,000 dead he has not yet asked the Israeli army to stop bombing Gaza, that he does not send weapons to Israel once elected because he will be put in prison once and for all, he does not have immunity like the American president, despite the corrupt Canadian justice system he will be judged anyway. Quote
ExFlyer Posted November 9, 2024 Report Posted November 9, 2024 11 hours ago, Army Guy said: Military has been doing this for decades, trucking, or inserting by helo, landing 10 to 15 kms from the objective and then dismounting...You want to get on the X quicker you do that in an IFV and in force, do it in an IFV...nothing is faster across rough terrain....lets remember the army is a combined ops force, and it depends for it's survival on all the branches, tanks, arty, combat engs, helos and fast air...and in some cases Naval assets...very rarely do they act alone, shit even the SF boys rely on support from other military assets... Even mech forces do dismounted ops all the time it is not uncommon to walk in "all night" and attack at dawn, take the objective and either wait for follow up forces, and resupply, very rarely do we bug out unless it is a raid or taking out a target...And if it is a raid then we are taking our IFV with us.... Thank you for recognizing that in todays combat or fighting situations it is not just Army, let alone foot soldiers that are involved. The Military has always assisted and supported the fort soldiers otherwise they truly would be "foot" soldiers The vehicles and all ancillary equipment and weaponry was brought to them by either the Air Force or Navy. In todays military, the "foot" soldier plays a significant role but, Air Force, drones, satellites and even Navy has a major role as well. I dare say, Air Force deployment and support and transport is more evident now than soldiers on the ground. Had to get the Boys in Blue in this discussion 1 Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
I am Groot Posted November 10, 2024 Report Posted November 10, 2024 On 11/8/2024 at 7:34 AM, Gaétan said: Poilievre will cut pensions for the old, transfers for illnesses, and lunches for the little ones to buy the weapons suggested by U.S. senators, representatives and other corrupt rot. Shouldn't you be off hating Jews somewhere? 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted November 10, 2024 Report Posted November 10, 2024 18 hours ago, Gaétan said: Poilievre is not morally fit to lead the country, despite the 200,000 dead he has not yet asked the Israeli army to stop bombing Gaza, that he does not send weapons to Israel once elected because he will be put in prison once and for all, he does not have immunity like the American president, despite the corrupt Canadian justice system he will be judged anyway. According to you, and many other Canadians, your vote is your to use anyways you want, vote green they seem to have a very popular Hamas following....in fact Their leader says she takes her orders from them.... fact remains he will be elected by a majority, he will form government and despite all the tears you will shed, and how many times mom will yell down stairs for you to stop screaming....PP will be PM... Not today, not tommorrow, maybe in your fantasy universe will he see prison time... As for bombing Gaza, lets not forget Lebanon, Syria, Iran....i hope PP starts sending more bombs to Israel under the Get rid of terrorist today program. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted November 10, 2024 Report Posted November 10, 2024 10 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Thank you for recognizing that in todays combat or fighting situations it is not just Army, let alone foot soldiers that are involved. The Military has always assisted and supported the fort soldiers otherwise they truly would be "foot" soldiers The vehicles and all ancillary equipment and weaponry was brought to them by either the Air Force or Navy. In todays military, the "foot" soldier plays a significant role but, Air Force, drones, satellites and even Navy has a major role as well. I dare say, Air Force deployment and support and transport is more evident now than soldiers on the ground. Had to get the Boys in Blue in this discussion After several friendly fire accidents by US air support i did pray to the big guy more than once "i wish we had Canadian air support....And i will also be the first to say i owe my life to those Yankee flyers, on more than one occasion... On the helo side, been dropped off by some of the craziest Canadian Chinook pilot that could balance that bird on the side of a mountain, with just the ramp on the ground....saving us from humping all the way up the mountain....trust me with a ruck weighing in at over 120 lbs in was well appreciated.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted November 10, 2024 Report Posted November 10, 2024 21 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Yeah his comment was surprising and weird. I can’t defend it, what I am trying to say is that my time as a private in a LI Reserve regiment doesn’t qualify me to challenge him. But the trials showed (apparently) that the razor was not up to the task especially n the .50 cal as the recoil made the suspension bounce around so much you couldn’t hit the target after the first round. They said they needed something “way more robust” so had to upgrade from ATV to something with a proper vehicle chassis They have MRZRS and Dagors for this role, which are similarly unarmored open topped and I believe even lighter than this vehicle. Who knows maybe of they need to move as sections instead of smaller units maybe they will grab some. It just does not bode well for his credibility in the long run....If one of my officers told me that, i would have asked him if he was serious, then told him to pound sand... If there is one thing the REME corp is good at is coming up with solutions....be it beefer suspensions, or what ever it required to find a solution...not to mention the company would go to great lengths to find a solution to the problem...I remember being on the LAV 6.0 testing program in Gagetown....we would find a problem they would within days have a solution...money talks with them... They also have up armored Humvees, which somehow get deployed magically.... there is 4 to 5 vehicles per platoon, 15 to 18 to a company....thats a lot of chinooks, not to mention air supresion, pre bombing runs , missle strikes, jamming aircraft, just the insertion....the extraction could take place any where...I guess what i'm saying any mission depends on resources available and are they willing to risk them... One has to penetrate the front line, you try and do that in a light veh, and your going to die....Russia is having issues try to break through with tanks and IFV.... even Ukrainian SOF or LT Inf forces are using up armored Humvees to attack dug in Russian Lt infantry forces....If i had a choice on speeding across open ground against dug in Inf i'd go with an IFV...and those Light Infantry guys boosting this veh up....have never had to do that....Those with any combat experience are much higher ranks right now.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted November 10, 2024 Report Posted November 10, 2024 52 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Shouldn't you be off hating Jews somewhere? He can do two things at once - he's multi-fascisting Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Army Guy Posted November 11, 2024 Report Posted November 11, 2024 22 hours ago, CdnFox said: He can do two things at once - he's multi-fascisting Until mom finds him on the computer again.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
BeaverFever Posted November 14, 2024 Author Report Posted November 14, 2024 On 11/9/2024 at 7:54 PM, Army Guy said: One has to penetrate the front line, you try and do that in a light veh, and your going to die It’s been said many times now that this vehicle is not for assaulting enemy defences it is for is for transport activities they currently do on foot, snowmobile or ATV Quote
BeaverFever Posted November 14, 2024 Author Report Posted November 14, 2024 Edmonton likely location for western base for the RCAF CC-330 Husky The Department of National Defence (DND) is in negotiations with the Edmonton International Airport (YEG) to formalize an agreement for the location of the new Main Operating Base-West (MOB-West) for the Royal Canadian Air Force’s (RCAF) CC-330 Husky fleet. In March 2024, the DND confirmed 8 Wing Trenton, Ont., as its MOB-East location for the Strategic Tanker Transport Capability fleet and provided $850 million to design a two-bay hangar and upgrade the apron, runway, taxiways and other supporting infrastructure. The department has yet to name a primary forward operating location in the North. Under a $3.6 billion contract with Airbus Defence and Space, announced in July 2023, the RCAF is acquiring four new A330 Multi-Role Tanker Transport aircraft and will also convert four of five recently acquired used A330-200 aircraft to the MRTT configuration. The nine aircraft, designated the CC-330 Husky, are replacing the RCAF fleet of five CP-150 Polaris aircraft, two of which are configured for tanking. The Air Force has begun receiving the CC-330s in their commercial configuration for transport missions. The first MRTT configured aircraft is expected to begin operations in 2027, and the RCAF is anticipating reaching initial operational capability for the fleet in 2028-2029. The nine Huskies will be split between the two MOB locations. The new MOB-West location is expected to include a hangar, operations, maintenance, logistics/warehousing, and training and administrative spaces to support RCAF operations for the CC-330 Husky aircraft. The MRTT investment is part of Canada’s $38.6 billion North American Aerospace Defense (NORAD) Modernization Plan, announced in June 2022, which represents the most significant upgrade to Canada’s NORAD capabilities in almost four decades. The DND said it will be completing further due diligence activities, environmental reviews, site studies, and land value assessment activities in the coming months for the MOB-West location before taking the final step of formalizing an agreement with the Edmonton International Airport. The related project scope and cost estimates will also be finalized once negotiations conclude. “The Main Operating Base – West for Canada’s CC-330 Husky fleet enables the RCAF to better support its commitments to NORAD and will be key to enabling the RCAF to secure our Arctic airspace,” stated RCAF Commander LGen Eric Kenny. “The CC-330 Husky will provide the RCAF with increased flexibility to fulfill a variety of air mobility missions in support of operations and training activities within Canada, as part of NORAD, its Arctic region, and around the world. The CC-330 Husky provides the Canadian Armed Forces with a modern air-to-air refuelling, passenger transport, aeromedical evacuation, and strategic transport of Government of Canada officials, that is reflective of a fifth-generation air and space force.” https://skiesmag.com/news/edmonton-likely-location-western-base-rcaf-cc-330-husky/ Why a commercial airport in Edmonton instead of CFB Cold Lake where the fighters they’ll be refuelling are? I guess it’s more about transporting army than supporting the fighters 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted November 14, 2024 Report Posted November 14, 2024 19 hours ago, BeaverFever said: It’s been said many times now that this vehicle is not for assaulting enemy defences it is for is for transport activities they currently do on foot, snowmobile or ATV Thats what they say all of the time....it's only for training or its just for transport, or whatever excuse they use to buy it... Cougars 76 mm tank trainers used in Bosnia, where purchased to train tank crews in Canada not meant to be taken out of country , and yet seen operational deployments in Bosnia, Somalia, and more... Iltis open air jeeps (Unarmored, no weapons )seen combat in Afghanistan , well until enough people died then they bought the G wagon and it was replaced becasue enough people died, then they purchased MRAP's see a pattern here.... LeoIIA4 tanks purchased as tank trainors, they do not have the armor or FCS needed for combat, and yet they are sitting in the front lines in Latvia, not to mention in combat in Ukraine....If it is green army is going to use it, and use it anywhere....thats my point, we have a long history of doing just that becasue sometime sthere is no alternative... Snowmobiles and ATV are used in combat....In Afghanistan a few soldiers were killed on a gator hauling ammo to the troops in combat.... Ar least BV10 are armored, tracked, and can be mounted various weapons' including 50 HMG, Tow, or motars... replace the old BV 206 we have now...And are multi seasonal, equipped with blast seating, heaters, and cooling units, can swim, run over almost anything....the only thing they can not do is fly by themselves....maybe next year... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
BeaverFever Posted November 16, 2024 Author Report Posted November 16, 2024 On 11/14/2024 at 4:32 PM, Army Guy said: Thats what they say all of the time....it's only for training or its just for transport, or whatever excuse they use to buy it... Cougars 76 mm tank trainers used in Bosnia, where purchased to train tank crews in Canada not meant to be taken out of country , and yet seen operational deployments in Bosnia, Somalia, and more... Iltis open air jeeps (Unarmored, no weapons )seen combat in Afghanistan , well until enough people died then they bought the G wagon and it was replaced becasue enough people died, then they purchased MRAP's see a pattern here.... LeoIIA4 tanks purchased as tank trainors, they do not have the armor or FCS needed for combat, and yet they are sitting in the front lines in Latvia, not to mention in combat in Ukraine....If it is green army is going to use it, and use it anywhere....thats my point, we have a long history of doing just that becasue sometime sthere is no alternative... Snowmobiles and ATV are used in combat....In Afghanistan a few soldiers were killed on a gator hauling ammo to the troops in combat.... Ar least BV10 are armored, tracked, and can be mounted various weapons' including 50 HMG, Tow, or motars... replace the old BV 206 we have now...And are multi seasonal, equipped with blast seating, heaters, and cooling units, can swim, run over almost anything....the only thing they can not do is fly by themselves....maybe next year... Why would they purposely buy open vehicles for assaulting enemy positions when they already have LAVs? Not every vehicle in the fleet is for direct assault Quote
BeaverFever Posted November 16, 2024 Author Report Posted November 16, 2024 Rheinmetall to Supply Canada with 85 MAN HX 8x8 Trucks Providing Enhanced Recovery Capability Released on Thursday, November 14, 2024 Rheinmetall wins Canada’s Enhanced Recovery Capability (ERC) project - 85 HX 8x8 tactical trucks will be delivered to the Canadian Armed Forces - The contract is worth $325 million CAD (around €215 million) and will last 5 years - Additional service agreement worth $28.9 million CAD (around €20 million) - First truck to be delivered in 2027 The Canadian government has awarded Rheinmetall a major order for the production of 85 heavy recovery vehicles to the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) as part of the Enhanced Recovery Capability (ERC) project. The five-year purchase agreement, worth $325 million CAD (around €215 million), includes vehicles, recovery equipment and other modifications. The first deliveries are scheduled for 2027. A supplementary $28.9 million CAD (around €20 million) multi-year in-service support contract has also been awarded to Rheinmetall. Serving as prime contractor, Rheinmetall Canada will replace the CAF’s heavy logistic vehicle wheeled recovery fleet with 85 HX 8x8 trucks, each equipped with a heavy towing and recovery module. This will provide the CAF with enhanced capabilities to effectively recover and tow their latest generation of heavier armoured and logistical vehicles. The new HX heavy recovery vehicles also provide additional capabilities, such as an integrated rotary crane that can be used for container handling and for other crane work. Rheinmetall HX: a best-in-class, combat-proven flagship Purpose-built for military end users and characterized by high mobility, reliability, and durability, the HX represents a long-term solution for Canada. It will provide logistic support to combat forces anywhere on the battlefield, even in the most stringent conditions. The HX recovery truck will also offer a high level of protection, significantly increasing soldiers’ survivability and mission success. In terms of maturity, Rheinmetall’s flagship has been reliably serving military customers in the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Slovenia, Singapore, and Japan in a variety of operational scenarios, from domestic disaster relief and humanitarian support, to combat operations in harsh operating battlefield environments encountered in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Mali. This international distribution of HX trucks brings major advantages when it comes to interoperability and logistics among NATO partners The ERC team: world-leading partners offering a unique solution The ERC project team will be led by Rheinmetall Canada, a leading system integrator in the defence and security industry. Rheinmetall Canada will be supported by Rheinmetall MAN Military Vehicles, a German-Austrian world-leading logistic vehicle manufacturer; Miller Industries Towing Equipment, a premier supplier of towing and recovery equipment located in the United States; and Rotzler Holding, a leading manufacturer of hydraulic winches and winch systems based in Germany with operations in Canada. “Together, this strong team will provide a sophisticated best-in-class recovery solution that will enable the CAF to fulfil its tasks in support of Canadian national interests. This vehicle is an extraordinary system which will meet Canada’s needs for decades to come. Moreover, Canada is now joining an elite group of operators of the HX recovery platform and will benefit from other nations’ experience with the system.” stated Pietro Mazzei, President and CEO of Rheinmetall Canada. “We are very grateful to be able to welcome Canada as a new member of the HX user group,” stated Michael Wittlinger, CEO of Rheinmetall MAN Military Vehicles. “With the heavy recovery vehicle, the HX fleet is now prominently represented on the North American continent for the first time. Our mission-proven vehicle family is increasingly becoming the backbone of the logistics forces of NATO and allied nations.” Significant industrial and economic benefits for Canada The benefits of the ERC project will be felt across Canada: it will create high-tech career opportunities at both Rheinmetall Canada and its Canadian suppliers, in addition to generating a number of valuable investments throughout the country. With over 1,5 billion Canadian Dollars in Industrial Technological Benefits (ITB) and Industrial and Regional Benefits (IRB) credited since the company was founded just over 35 years ago, Rheinmetall Canada is one of the leading companies for delivering ITBs, IRBs, job creation, and economic growth to Canada. Source: Rheinmetall to deliver Canada’s Enhanced Recovery Capability project worth over $300 million CAD Quote
BeaverFever Posted November 16, 2024 Author Report Posted November 16, 2024 2 hours ago, Dougie93 said: Geoff Russ: Left-wing bureaucrats finally come for Remembrance Day This is Trudeau's post-national Canada An ideological rant about City of Toronto’s protocol for public events that in fact has nothing to do with Trudeau despite the article’s subtitle. Trudeau Derangement Syndrome is alive and well. Let’s try to keep this thread about news and discussion not politically-motivated rants like every other thread Quote
Army Guy Posted November 17, 2024 Report Posted November 17, 2024 21 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Rheinmetall to Supply Canada with 85 MAN HX 8x8 Trucks Providing Enhanced Recovery Capability Released on Thursday, November 14, 2024 Rheinmetall wins Canada’s Enhanced Recovery Capability (ERC) project - 85 HX 8x8 tactical trucks will be delivered to the Canadian Armed Forces - The contract is worth $325 million CAD (around €215 million) and will last 5 years - Additional service agreement worth $28.9 million CAD (around €20 million) - First truck to be delivered in 2027 The Canadian government has awarded Rheinmetall a major order for the production of 85 heavy recovery vehicles to the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) as part of the Enhanced Recovery Capability (ERC) project. The five-year purchase agreement, worth $325 million CAD (around €215 million), includes vehicles, recovery equipment and other modifications. The first deliveries are scheduled for 2027. A supplementary $28.9 million CAD (around €20 million) multi-year in-service support contract has also been awarded to Rheinmetall. Serving as prime contractor, Rheinmetall Canada will replace the CAF’s heavy logistic vehicle wheeled recovery fleet with 85 HX 8x8 trucks, each equipped with a heavy towing and recovery module. This will provide the CAF with enhanced capabilities to effectively recover and tow their latest generation of heavier armoured and logistical vehicles. The new HX heavy recovery vehicles also provide additional capabilities, such as an integrated rotary crane that can be used for container handling and for other crane work. Rheinmetall HX: a best-in-class, combat-proven flagship Purpose-built for military end users and characterized by high mobility, reliability, and durability, the HX represents a long-term solution for Canada. It will provide logistic support to combat forces anywhere on the battlefield, even in the most stringent conditions. The HX recovery truck will also offer a high level of protection, significantly increasing soldiers’ survivability and mission success. In terms of maturity, Rheinmetall’s flagship has been reliably serving military customers in the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Slovenia, Singapore, and Japan in a variety of operational scenarios, from domestic disaster relief and humanitarian support, to combat operations in harsh operating battlefield environments encountered in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Mali. This international distribution of HX trucks brings major advantages when it comes to interoperability and logistics among NATO partners The ERC team: world-leading partners offering a unique solution The ERC project team will be led by Rheinmetall Canada, a leading system integrator in the defence and security industry. Rheinmetall Canada will be supported by Rheinmetall MAN Military Vehicles, a German-Austrian world-leading logistic vehicle manufacturer; Miller Industries Towing Equipment, a premier supplier of towing and recovery equipment located in the United States; and Rotzler Holding, a leading manufacturer of hydraulic winches and winch systems based in Germany with operations in Canada. “Together, this strong team will provide a sophisticated best-in-class recovery solution that will enable the CAF to fulfil its tasks in support of Canadian national interests. This vehicle is an extraordinary system which will meet Canada’s needs for decades to come. Moreover, Canada is now joining an elite group of operators of the HX recovery platform and will benefit from other nations’ experience with the system.” stated Pietro Mazzei, President and CEO of Rheinmetall Canada. “We are very grateful to be able to welcome Canada as a new member of the HX user group,” stated Michael Wittlinger, CEO of Rheinmetall MAN Military Vehicles. “With the heavy recovery vehicle, the HX fleet is now prominently represented on the North American continent for the first time. Our mission-proven vehicle family is increasingly becoming the backbone of the logistics forces of NATO and allied nations.” Significant industrial and economic benefits for Canada The benefits of the ERC project will be felt across Canada: it will create high-tech career opportunities at both Rheinmetall Canada and its Canadian suppliers, in addition to generating a number of valuable investments throughout the country. With over 1,5 billion Canadian Dollars in Industrial Technological Benefits (ITB) and Industrial and Regional Benefits (IRB) credited since the company was founded just over 35 years ago, Rheinmetall Canada is one of the leading companies for delivering ITBs, IRBs, job creation, and economic growth to Canada. Source: Rheinmetall to deliver Canada’s Enhanced Recovery Capability project worth over $300 million CAD This is one of the best logistics vehicles on the planet, Not sure why we did not replace our entire fleet with this vehicle type. as it comes in all different types such as 4x4, 6x6, 8x8, and 10x10 all with many common parts making the logistics tail even smaller.... While in Germany Canada used the MANN (at the Time) 10 ton trucks as all purpose ammo/ logistic vehicles, until we left then gave them to the Germany Army.... Every year our Leo's tanks would race these trucks cross country , including over a small anti tank ditch and these trucks would kick ass...and those were the KAT 1 versions...I can't imagine what has been improved since then... They used to say on e in a decade they would get purchasing right...This has got to be that once in a decade moment...sure the Mech's guys are excited...Bravo Zulu to whomever is in charge of this purchase... I hope they are rated to pick up the LAV 6.0, as the HL wreckers could not pick up the Lav III for the most part needed to be flat bedded....Curious as to why they did not go with the 10 x 10 version of the wrecker, as did many other countries... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted November 17, 2024 Report Posted November 17, 2024 21 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Why would they purposely buy open vehicles for assaulting enemy positions when they already have LAVs? Not every vehicle in the fleet is for direct assault If ANY vehicle is used in a theater of operations odds are it will see combat...One does not have to assault a position to get shot up....just like the Iltis jeeps, Gators, G Wagons....all either open air or thin skinned.... After the last Gwagon got blown up, all our logistic vehs were armored cabs, G wagons replaced by MRAPS....none are intended to be used in an assault... LAV's are for mechanized troops....If a task came up for LAV's to be used it would fall to the mechanized Infantry.... If they were seizing an airfield, Helo port, bridge behind enemy lines that would go to the light Infantry, they would either para in or use Helos.... Light infantry trained and operated BV-206, skidoo's, or canvas covered trucks for transport...or use Herc's or Helo's to insert....Very rarely do Light infantry operate in small groups, thats what the SF boys do... When light infantry assault something it is normally done on foot...with fast air/ Arty, or helo support to act as heavy weapons support...Don't get me wrong BV-206 do have heavy Weapons mounted on them and can and are used to support any assaults'. To the question WHY did they purposely buy these open air vehicles ...I have no clue, they provide no advantage over the means of transport they have now...None.... The military has a long history of using equipment in combat that was meant for other reasons, ie training or way in the rear....You seemed to be of the idea that our government or those in charge of these purchases care what they send soldiers into combat with...I mean look at WWI, WWII, Korea, Afghanistan, the list goes on and on... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
I am Groot Posted November 17, 2024 Report Posted November 17, 2024 On 11/13/2024 at 9:07 PM, BeaverFever said: It’s been said many times now that this vehicle is not for assaulting enemy defences it is for is for transport activities they currently do on foot, snowmobile or ATV Its still way too costly. Buy the regular model and pull the doors and roof off. There ya go. Same thing for a fraction of the cost. Quote
I am Groot Posted November 17, 2024 Report Posted November 17, 2024 On 11/15/2024 at 10:10 PM, BeaverFever said: Rheinmetall to Supply Canada with 85 MAN HX 8x8 Trucks Providing Enhanced Recovery Capability Tow trucks. They're buying tow trucks. Why not just call them that? Quote
CdnFox Posted November 17, 2024 Report Posted November 17, 2024 6 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Tow trucks. They're buying tow trucks. Why not just call them that? ASSAULT towtrucks, thank you. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
BeaverFever Posted November 17, 2024 Author Report Posted November 17, 2024 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: Its still way too costly. Buy the regular model and pull the doors and roof off. There ya go. Same thing for a fraction of the cost. Recovery Vehicles, AKA “Wreckers” are different from tow trucks even in the civilian world. Tow trucks simply pull a vehicle behind them but Wreckers have the power and special equipment like booms for lifting up vehicles for example if they’ve flipped over or become stuck where they can’t be towed such as in a ditch or body of water. Also these particular vehicles will also have cargo handling and other capabilities Quote
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