BeaverFever Posted October 17, 2024 Author Report Posted October 17, 2024 More of a blog than news but contains a few interesting nuggets about upgrades to Canadian Leopard 2A6 currently underway. If you follow the links to the German documentary, around the 29 minute mark there’s even footage of the Canadian Leos with the unmistakable maple leaf emblem being upgraded to the new standard in the KMW factory in Germany. Images at link What’s new in Canada’s upgraded Leopard 2A6MC2 Main Battle Tank? 16 Oct, 2024 - 8:57 Defense News Army 2024 As noted by Jeff2146 on October 15, 2024, the German television network ARD 1 recently aired footage believed to show the first public appearance of Canada’s Leopard 2A6M C2 tanks during a tour of Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) facilities. The Leopard 2A6M C2 CAN is an upgraded Canadian variant of the German Leopard 2A6 main battle tank, created by converting 20 Leopard 2A6M tanks under a $76 million contract with KMW. This overhaul includes upgrades to optics, fire control systems, and user interfaces, replacing outdated analog technology with modern components to improve their operational lifespan. The Leopard 2A6M C2 CAN overhaul includes upgrades to optics, fire control systems, and user interfaces, replacing outdated analog technology with modern components to improve the operational lifespan of the Leopard 2A6M CAN. (Picture source: ARD 1) In February 2023, Canadian Defence Minister Anita Anand stated that Canada plans to replace the Leopard 2 tanks sent to Ukraine, though specific timelines for these acquisitions have not been disclosed. Meanwhile, Canada is preparing to upgrade its remaining Leopard 2 tanks through a Leopard Long Term Support Contract (LTSC), which aims to keep the fleet operational until 2035. Department of National Defence spokesperson Jessica Lamirande explained that the LTSC will include maintenance, upgrades, supply chain management, and technical support. At that time, the contract was estimated between $730 million and $1.09 billion, or approximately $44 million to $64 million per year. Canada released an Advanced Contract Award Notice in August 2022, awarding KMW a sole-source position for the LTSC, with a formal contract published on September 13, 2024, valued at $710,732,013.98. The LTSC encompasses various Leopard 2 models within Canada’s military, including main battle tanks like the 2A4 CAN, 2A4M CAN, 2A6M CAN, and 2A6M C2 CAN, as well as Leopard 2 ARV CAN armored recovery vehicles, Leopard 2 AEV CAN engineering vehicles, and specialized equipment such as the Mine Clearing Roller System (MCRS), Track Width Mine Plow (TWMP), dozer blades, add-on armor, and slat armor. Canada is preparing to upgrade its remaining Leopard 2 tanks through a Leopard Long Term Support Contract (LTSC), which aims to keep the fleet operational until 2035. (Picture source: ARD 1) Maintenance responsibilities will involve systems integration, engineering, configuration and obsolescence management, depot-level inspections, and spare parts supply. The contract also specifies the provision of technical and field service representatives, who will provide in-depth support and guidance for the maintenance processes. Additionally, Canada awarded KMW a separate contract worth $76 million in June 2022 to repair, overhaul, and convert 20 Leopard 2A6M tanks to align with the 2A4M configuration. The modifications include updating optics, fire control systems, and user interfaces with more modern components, as the existing analog technology is considered obsolete. According to available information, the first conversion was completed and accepted by Canada in 2022, establishing a reference model for the rest of the fleet. Conversion work on the remaining 19 tanks began at FFG Canada’s Bathurst facility in spring 2023, with completion expected by the end of 2025. These upgraded tanks will be designated as Leopard 2A6M C2 CAN. The LTSC encompasses various Leopard 2 models within Canada’s military, including main battle tanks like the 2A4 CAN, 2A4M CAN, 2A6M CAN, and 2A6M C2 CAN, as well as Leopard 2 ARV CAN armored recovery vehicles and Leopard 2 AEV CAN engineering vehicles. (Picture source: ARD 1) As reported by Army Recognition in October 2023, modernization efforts for the Leopard 2 fleet are under consideration, with Army Lt. Col. Chloeann Summerfield indicating that further upgrades will cost over $620 million. These enhancements may include improvements to protection, surveillance, target acquisition, firepower, and mobility. Canada expects to issue a request for industry bids by 2028, with the first upgraded tanks anticipated to be operational by 2030. This modernization aims to align Canadian Leopard 2 configurations with those of NATO allies to enhance interoperability. Financial considerations are a significant factor in the Canadian government’s plans for its tank fleet. Canada’s defense budget is already allocated toward major projects, such as the procurement of F-35 fighter jets, surface combatant ships, and P-8 patrol aircraft, limiting available funds for new tank acquisitions. Although the government announced plans to replace the tanks sent to Ukraine, no further information has been released, and financial constraints may delay this process. Canadian defense analyst Martin Shadwick has highlighted that Canada’s approach to tanks has varied over time, noting that a 2003 decision to retire the Leopard fleet was reversed in favor of lighter vehicles, only to be reinstated when tanks were deployed in Afghanistan. The future of Canada’s tank fleet remains uncertain, and it is unclear whether Canada will acquire new tanks in the immediate future. To address maintenance needs, Canada has increased the use of contracted Field Service Representatives (FSRs) from KMW since 2018, allowing for specialized technician support at Army facilities across the country. Additionally, adjustments to the training and management of Canadian technicians are intended to strengthen maintenance capabilities and ensure sufficient technical support during periods of increased demand. The Canadian Army has emphasized that these changes are part of broader efforts to maintain the operational readiness of the Leopard 2 fleet, with the LTSC anticipated to play a critical role in sustaining the tanks until their projected end-of-service date in 2035. The Leopard 2A6M CAN C2 seems to retain the weaponry of the Leopard 2A6M CAN, which is armed with a Rheinmetall L55 120mm smoothbore gun and two 7.62mm machine guns. (Picture source: ARD 1) Currently, Canada operates 74 Leopard 2 Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) in three main variants: 34 Leopard 2A4 tanks designated for training, 20 upgraded Leopard 2A4M tanks, and 20 Leopard 2A6M tanks. Additionally, 52 older Leopard 1C2 tanks remain in storage. In addition to these tanks, the Canadian Army has around 30 recovery and engineering vehicles, including 5 Buffalo Armoured Engineering Vehicles (AEVs) and 18 Wisent 2 vehicles, as well as 12 BPz-3 Büffel Armoured Recovery Vehicles (ARVs). With 8 tanks donated to Ukraine and 15 Leopard 2A4 tanks now deployed to Eastern Europe as part of NATO’s bolstered presence since the onset of the Ukraine conflict, questions have arisen about the readiness and condition of Canada’s remaining tanks. National Defence spokesperson Dan Le Bouthillier emphasized that Leopard 2 tanks, like other heavy vehicles, require extensive maintenance and inspections. On average, these tanks spend about 30% of their time in maintenance, which includes scheduled inspections. In response to reports that Canada was allegedly cannibalizing certain tanks to maintain others, Le Bouthillier clarified that such practices are only permitted under specific and urgent circumstances, with authorization from local commanders. He noted that no Leopard 2 tanks have been permanently decommissioned to support other units. Canada's defense policy contends with limited defense spending and a complex security environment. In 2023, the defense budget was about 1.38% of GDP, below NATO’s 2% target. However, Canada ranks seventh in NATO for absolute defense spending, with some modest increases in outlays planned. Plans include doubling its NATO Enhanced Presence Battlegroup in Latvia by 2026 and committing more than $1.8 billion in military aid to Ukraine, along with continuing training under Operation Unifier. Currently, Canada operates 34 Leopard 2A4 tanks designated for training, 20 upgraded Leopard 2A4M tanks, and 20 Leopard 2A6M tanks. (Picture source: Canadian MoD) The Leopard 2A6M CAN is a Canadian version of the German Leopard 2A6 main battle tank, deployed in 2007 to address operational needs in Afghanistan. Canada initially assessed its Leopard C2 tanks but determined that they were insufficient for the region's conditions, particularly due to a lack of air conditioning, which impacted crew performance. Consequently, Canada arranged for the German Bundeswehr to loan twenty Leopard 2A6 tanks, which were then modified by KMW to include mine protection and other adjustments to meet Canadian Army requirements. This deployment aimed to enhance vehicle protection and provide a more suitable platform for Canadian forces in Afghanistan's demanding operational environment. The Leopard 2A6M CAN includes several modifications unique to this variant. Enhancements consist of a mine protection package to reinforce the tank's underside, specific communications and anti-IED jamming equipment mounted on the turret, and stand-off slat armor for additional defense. An air conditioning unit and cooling vests were later added to reduce heat strain on the crew, alongside Saab Barracuda camouflage mats to decrease heat absorption by 50 percent. The initial twenty tanks were on loan from Germany, configured with MG3 machine guns, while subsequent tanks, procured from the Netherlands, were integrated with C6 GPMGs for consistency with Canadian forces. Upon returning to Canada in 2011, features like ECM boxes and slat armor were removed, yet the Canadian Army retained and continues to modify these tanks. In terms of specifications, the Leopard 2A6M CAN is equipped with a 1,500-horsepower MTU diesel engine and RENK transmission, enabling a top speed of 68 km/h and a range of 550 km on roads. It is armed with a Rheinmetall L55 120mm smoothbore gun, with a wide range of elevation, and two 7.62mm machine guns. The tank, weighing 62.3 tons in combat, can traverse obstacles up to 1.1 meters high and 3 meters wide. Other features include modular and composite armor, NBC protection, and options for additional modular armor. These characteristics contribute to the tank’s operational capabilities in various combat scenarios. The Leopard 2A6M CAN is a Canadian version of the German Leopard 2A6 main battle tank, deployed in 2007 to address operational needs in Afghanistan. (Picture source: Canadian MoD) https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/army-news-2024/whats-new-in-canadas-upgraded-leopard-2a6mc2-main-battle-tank?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Fcanadianarmedforces#google_vignette Quote
Army Guy Posted October 22, 2024 Report Posted October 22, 2024 Some exciting news for Modern day Vets...looking to get equal treatment for injuries suffered during fighting in conflicts for our nation...Since the Korean war, Todays vets are paid out 20 cents on the dollar compare to what war Other vets receive....I wish them luck, but don't expect too much to come out of it, Vets are not even on the List of concerns for Canadians,for decades... Canada’s vets pick new fight with feds, push for equal compensation | Watch 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted October 23, 2024 Report Posted October 23, 2024 (edited) 17 hours ago, Army Guy said: Some exciting news for Modern day Vets...looking to get equal treatment for injuries suffered during fighting in conflicts for our nation...Since the Korean war, Todays vets are paid out 20 cents on the dollar compare to what war Other vets receive....I wish them luck, but don't expect too much to come out of it, Vets are not even on the List of concerns for Canadians,for decades... Canada’s vets pick new fight with feds, push for equal compensation | Watch I hope they get what they are asking for. As for "don't expect too much to come out of it, Vets are not even on the List of concerns for Canadians,for decades...", well, it has been far longer than a decade. No Government has given a shit about our military and especially vets for 50+ years and probably more. In my memory, the only time Canadians had any empathy or sympathy for the Military was when we started losing members in Afghanistan....and that was short lived. 6 crew were killed in a Labrador rescue Helicopter crash in Eastern Quebec. Or the ones killed in a Labrador helicopter crash near Bella Coola. Or the 3 killed in a Cormorant rescue helicopter crash in Halifax. They all got one day news headline... and then forgotten. Edited October 23, 2024 by ExFlyer 1 Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
Army Guy Posted October 23, 2024 Report Posted October 23, 2024 On 10/17/2024 at 12:50 PM, BeaverFever said: More of a blog than news but contains a few interesting nuggets about upgrades to Canadian Leopard 2A6 currently underway. If you follow the links to the German documentary, around the 29 minute mark there’s even footage of the Canadian Leos with the unmistakable maple leaf emblem being upgraded to the new standard in the KMW factory in Germany. Images at link What’s new in Canada’s upgraded Leopard 2A6MC2 Main Battle Tank? 16 Oct, 2024 - 8:57 Defense News Army 2024 As noted by Jeff2146 on October 15, 2024, the German television network ARD 1 recently aired footage believed to show the first public appearance of Canada’s Leopard 2A6M C2 tanks during a tour of Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) facilities. The Leopard 2A6M C2 CAN is an upgraded Canadian variant of the German Leopard 2A6 main battle tank, created by converting 20 Leopard 2A6M tanks under a $76 million contract with KMW. This overhaul includes upgrades to optics, fire control systems, and user interfaces, replacing outdated analog technology with modern components to improve their operational lifespan. The Leopard 2A6M C2 CAN overhaul includes upgrades to optics, fire control systems, and user interfaces, replacing outdated analog technology with modern components to improve the operational lifespan of the Leopard 2A6M CAN. (Picture source: ARD 1) In February 2023, Canadian Defence Minister Anita Anand stated that Canada plans to replace the Leopard 2 tanks sent to Ukraine, though specific timelines for these acquisitions have not been disclosed. Meanwhile, Canada is preparing to upgrade its remaining Leopard 2 tanks through a Leopard Long Term Support Contract (LTSC), which aims to keep the fleet operational until 2035. Department of National Defence spokesperson Jessica Lamirande explained that the LTSC will include maintenance, upgrades, supply chain management, and technical support. At that time, the contract was estimated between $730 million and $1.09 billion, or approximately $44 million to $64 million per year. Canada released an Advanced Contract Award Notice in August 2022, awarding KMW a sole-source position for the LTSC, with a formal contract published on September 13, 2024, valued at $710,732,013.98. The LTSC encompasses various Leopard 2 models within Canada’s military, including main battle tanks like the 2A4 CAN, 2A4M CAN, 2A6M CAN, and 2A6M C2 CAN, as well as Leopard 2 ARV CAN armored recovery vehicles, Leopard 2 AEV CAN engineering vehicles, and specialized equipment such as the Mine Clearing Roller System (MCRS), Track Width Mine Plow (TWMP), dozer blades, add-on armor, and slat armor. Canada is preparing to upgrade its remaining Leopard 2 tanks through a Leopard Long Term Support Contract (LTSC), which aims to keep the fleet operational until 2035. (Picture source: ARD 1) Maintenance responsibilities will involve systems integration, engineering, configuration and obsolescence management, depot-level inspections, and spare parts supply. The contract also specifies the provision of technical and field service representatives, who will provide in-depth support and guidance for the maintenance processes. Additionally, Canada awarded KMW a separate contract worth $76 million in June 2022 to repair, overhaul, and convert 20 Leopard 2A6M tanks to align with the 2A4M configuration. The modifications include updating optics, fire control systems, and user interfaces with more modern components, as the existing analog technology is considered obsolete. According to available information, the first conversion was completed and accepted by Canada in 2022, establishing a reference model for the rest of the fleet. Conversion work on the remaining 19 tanks began at FFG Canada’s Bathurst facility in spring 2023, with completion expected by the end of 2025. These upgraded tanks will be designated as Leopard 2A6M C2 CAN. The LTSC encompasses various Leopard 2 models within Canada’s military, including main battle tanks like the 2A4 CAN, 2A4M CAN, 2A6M CAN, and 2A6M C2 CAN, as well as Leopard 2 ARV CAN armored recovery vehicles and Leopard 2 AEV CAN engineering vehicles. (Picture source: ARD 1) As reported by Army Recognition in October 2023, modernization efforts for the Leopard 2 fleet are under consideration, with Army Lt. Col. Chloeann Summerfield indicating that further upgrades will cost over $620 million. These enhancements may include improvements to protection, surveillance, target acquisition, firepower, and mobility. Canada expects to issue a request for industry bids by 2028, with the first upgraded tanks anticipated to be operational by 2030. This modernization aims to align Canadian Leopard 2 configurations with those of NATO allies to enhance interoperability. Financial considerations are a significant factor in the Canadian government’s plans for its tank fleet. Canada’s defense budget is already allocated toward major projects, such as the procurement of F-35 fighter jets, surface combatant ships, and P-8 patrol aircraft, limiting available funds for new tank acquisitions. Although the government announced plans to replace the tanks sent to Ukraine, no further information has been released, and financial constraints may delay this process. Canadian defense analyst Martin Shadwick has highlighted that Canada’s approach to tanks has varied over time, noting that a 2003 decision to retire the Leopard fleet was reversed in favor of lighter vehicles, only to be reinstated when tanks were deployed in Afghanistan. The future of Canada’s tank fleet remains uncertain, and it is unclear whether Canada will acquire new tanks in the immediate future. To address maintenance needs, Canada has increased the use of contracted Field Service Representatives (FSRs) from KMW since 2018, allowing for specialized technician support at Army facilities across the country. Additionally, adjustments to the training and management of Canadian technicians are intended to strengthen maintenance capabilities and ensure sufficient technical support during periods of increased demand. The Canadian Army has emphasized that these changes are part of broader efforts to maintain the operational readiness of the Leopard 2 fleet, with the LTSC anticipated to play a critical role in sustaining the tanks until their projected end-of-service date in 2035. The Leopard 2A6M CAN C2 seems to retain the weaponry of the Leopard 2A6M CAN, which is armed with a Rheinmetall L55 120mm smoothbore gun and two 7.62mm machine guns. (Picture source: ARD 1) Currently, Canada operates 74 Leopard 2 Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) in three main variants: 34 Leopard 2A4 tanks designated for training, 20 upgraded Leopard 2A4M tanks, and 20 Leopard 2A6M tanks. Additionally, 52 older Leopard 1C2 tanks remain in storage. In addition to these tanks, the Canadian Army has around 30 recovery and engineering vehicles, including 5 Buffalo Armoured Engineering Vehicles (AEVs) and 18 Wisent 2 vehicles, as well as 12 BPz-3 Büffel Armoured Recovery Vehicles (ARVs). With 8 tanks donated to Ukraine and 15 Leopard 2A4 tanks now deployed to Eastern Europe as part of NATO’s bolstered presence since the onset of the Ukraine conflict, questions have arisen about the readiness and condition of Canada’s remaining tanks. National Defence spokesperson Dan Le Bouthillier emphasized that Leopard 2 tanks, like other heavy vehicles, require extensive maintenance and inspections. On average, these tanks spend about 30% of their time in maintenance, which includes scheduled inspections. In response to reports that Canada was allegedly cannibalizing certain tanks to maintain others, Le Bouthillier clarified that such practices are only permitted under specific and urgent circumstances, with authorization from local commanders. He noted that no Leopard 2 tanks have been permanently decommissioned to support other units. Canada's defense policy contends with limited defense spending and a complex security environment. In 2023, the defense budget was about 1.38% of GDP, below NATO’s 2% target. However, Canada ranks seventh in NATO for absolute defense spending, with some modest increases in outlays planned. Plans include doubling its NATO Enhanced Presence Battlegroup in Latvia by 2026 and committing more than $1.8 billion in military aid to Ukraine, along with continuing training under Operation Unifier. Currently, Canada operates 34 Leopard 2A4 tanks designated for training, 20 upgraded Leopard 2A4M tanks, and 20 Leopard 2A6M tanks. (Picture source: Canadian MoD) The Leopard 2A6M CAN is a Canadian version of the German Leopard 2A6 main battle tank, deployed in 2007 to address operational needs in Afghanistan. Canada initially assessed its Leopard C2 tanks but determined that they were insufficient for the region's conditions, particularly due to a lack of air conditioning, which impacted crew performance. Consequently, Canada arranged for the German Bundeswehr to loan twenty Leopard 2A6 tanks, which were then modified by KMW to include mine protection and other adjustments to meet Canadian Army requirements. This deployment aimed to enhance vehicle protection and provide a more suitable platform for Canadian forces in Afghanistan's demanding operational environment. The Leopard 2A6M CAN includes several modifications unique to this variant. Enhancements consist of a mine protection package to reinforce the tank's underside, specific communications and anti-IED jamming equipment mounted on the turret, and stand-off slat armor for additional defense. An air conditioning unit and cooling vests were later added to reduce heat strain on the crew, alongside Saab Barracuda camouflage mats to decrease heat absorption by 50 percent. The initial twenty tanks were on loan from Germany, configured with MG3 machine guns, while subsequent tanks, procured from the Netherlands, were integrated with C6 GPMGs for consistency with Canadian forces. Upon returning to Canada in 2011, features like ECM boxes and slat armor were removed, yet the Canadian Army retained and continues to modify these tanks. In terms of specifications, the Leopard 2A6M CAN is equipped with a 1,500-horsepower MTU diesel engine and RENK transmission, enabling a top speed of 68 km/h and a range of 550 km on roads. It is armed with a Rheinmetall L55 120mm smoothbore gun, with a wide range of elevation, and two 7.62mm machine guns. The tank, weighing 62.3 tons in combat, can traverse obstacles up to 1.1 meters high and 3 meters wide. Other features include modular and composite armor, NBC protection, and options for additional modular armor. These characteristics contribute to the tank’s operational capabilities in various combat scenarios. The Leopard 2A6M CAN is a Canadian version of the German Leopard 2A6 main battle tank, deployed in 2007 to address operational needs in Afghanistan. (Picture source: Canadian MoD) https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/army-news-2024/whats-new-in-canadas-upgraded-leopard-2a6mc2-main-battle-tank?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Fcanadianarmedforces#google_vignette It is good to see funding being investing into our Tank forces....I hope reading this article Canadians actually see some shortfalls....Tanks make up an important part of any Mechanized force, they are the tip of the spear..without them Infantry forces would be torn apart by any Armor force with tanks.... 1...the mention of Canada having a total of 74 tanks is misleading, 34 of those tanks LeoIIA4 are marked for "training only" they are not upgraded for any operational theater...please note the LeoIIA4 are exactly what we sent over to latvia...Did i mention "Training tanks" of the remaining 40, one Sqn (15 )are in Gagetown the remainder in Edmonton with 1 CMBG....Each Brigade is suppose to have a full Regiment of tanks 3 to 4 sqns between 48 to 54 tanks per... Note we have 3 Mechanized Brigades, we have 15 in one and 25 in another , with one Brigade with zero.... 2.... the amount of funding going into upgrading these tanks, is a lot...considering we only have 40 tanks that can be operational deployed....New LeoIIa8 tanks with everything we would every need and more are priced at 20 mil a copy...Makes you think, why not just buy new, 3...The Leopard 1C2 mentioned in storage, well this was addressed before in the media, they have been stored outside in the elements in Gagetown, forever, and it would take a large heap of money to bring them up and running...they sit rotting in a fenced in compound not touched since they were decommissioned..., Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted October 23, 2024 Report Posted October 23, 2024 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: It is good to see funding being investing into our Tank forces..........., The unfortunate thing is that funding has been "invested" many times but the actual purchase never seems to come to fruition or, it is so far off in the future we forget about it when it does not happen. The ship business just F'n amazes me. Every nation in the owrld can get ships at sea in a few years. NCL cruise lines has a ship for 4000 passengers built in 18 months and we take 25 years ot get the hull in the water. I realize it is a warship but other countries can pump them out and we cannot... 1 Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
Army Guy Posted October 30, 2024 Report Posted October 30, 2024 PBO delivers the proper numbers on Military spending, once again the liberals have been lying to us....Canada would have to double our defense spending to make liberal claims.... Federal government would have to double military spending to meet NATO target: PBO Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted October 30, 2024 Report Posted October 30, 2024 The Royal Regiment of Canada, 32 Canadian Brigade Group, 4th Canadian Division have been issued CADPAT MT Combat Dress Uniform definitely an improvement upon Relish Cam although they should standardize their boots, and some need to learn to blouse trousers & form berets properly mind you, Warrant Officer MacDonald as Platoon 2IC sets the standard therein Nec Aspera Terrent Quote
Iceni warrior Posted October 30, 2024 Report Posted October 30, 2024 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: The Royal Regiment of Canada, 32 Canadian Brigade Group, 4th Canadian Division have been issued CADPAT MT Combat Dress Uniform definitely an improvement upon Relish Cam although they should standardize their boots, and some need to learn to blouse trousers & form berets properly mind you, Warrant Officer MacDonald as Platoon 2IC sets the standard therein Nec Aspera Terrent Scruffy looking shower. Look like bloomin' Australians eh wot? 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted November 1, 2024 Report Posted November 1, 2024 With Nov 11 coming upon us i want to share this article of a woman who lost 2 sons to PTSD, one of which i knew and served with in 2 RCR, His name was Sgt Ron Anderson, he was a hard worker, dedicated soldier and Royal, always smiling regardless of what we were doing, always telling jokes making everyone laugh. His death came as a shock to everyone in the BN, he hid his pain extremely well...... i know he's looking down upon us with a beer in his hand telling stories with all that have gone before us....I will never be able to understand the pain his mother has gone through to lose 2 sons to PTSD, i hope God and her 2 boys are looking after her. May they both rest in peace... F*ck PTSD New Brunswick woman who lost two sons to PTSD named national Silver Cross Mother 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted November 3, 2024 Report Posted November 3, 2024 On 11/1/2024 at 7:00 PM, Army Guy said: With Nov 11 coming upon us i want to share this article of a woman who lost 2 sons to PTSD, one of which i knew and served with in 2 RCR, His name was Sgt Ron Anderson, he was a hard worker, dedicated soldier and Royal, always smiling regardless of what we were doing, always telling jokes making everyone laugh. His death came as a shock to everyone in the BN, he hid his pain extremely well...... i know he's looking down upon us with a beer in his hand telling stories with all that have gone before us....I will never be able to understand the pain his mother has gone through to lose 2 sons to PTSD, i hope God and her 2 boys are looking after her. May they both rest in peace... F*ck PTSD New Brunswick woman who lost two sons to PTSD named national Silver Cross Mother Victoria Regina Imperatrix dulce et decorum est Pro Patria mori 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted November 3, 2024 Report Posted November 3, 2024 (edited) On 10/17/2024 at 11:50 AM, BeaverFever said: The Leopard 2A6M CAN is a Canadian version of the German Leopard 2A6 main battle tank, deployed in 2007 to address operational needs in Afghanistan. (Picture source: Canadian MoD) And if we weren't wasting billions on the unarmed slushbreakers maybe we could save everyone a lot of time and trouble and just buy the Leopard 2A7+ or 2A8 Edited November 3, 2024 by I am Groot Quote
I am Groot Posted November 3, 2024 Report Posted November 3, 2024 On 10/23/2024 at 3:39 PM, ExFlyer said: The unfortunate thing is that funding has been "invested" many times but the actual purchase never seems to come to fruition or, it is so far off in the future we forget about it when it does not happen. The ship business just F'n amazes me. Every nation in the owrld can get ships at sea in a few years. NCL cruise lines has a ship for 4000 passengers built in 18 months and we take 25 years ot get the hull in the water. I realize it is a warship but other countries can pump them out and we cannot... It isn't just our warships. Everything we build is massively more expensive and takes far longer than anyone else. Remember when the Asterix contract was let out, the one that got Admiral Norman cashiered? We had already let contracts out to build the new replenishment ships. They're still not here and they'll cost more than most nations spend on warships. Current estimate is $2.6 BILLION each. For replenishment ships! 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted November 3, 2024 Author Report Posted November 3, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, I am Groot said: And if we weren't wasting billions on the unarmed slushbreakers maybe we could save everyone a lot of time and trouble and just buy the Leopard 2A7+ or 2A8 My understanding is that any leopard 2 can be upgraded to the latest variant, thus I believe once completed the 2A6M CAN C2 should hopefully be equivalent to the latest leopard, with the exception of any active protection systems incorporated into 2A8 as the linked article didn’t mention those. The 2A7+ is specifically designed for urban combat and counter-insurgency so the Canadian leos I’m guessing will be more like 2a8 Edited November 3, 2024 by BeaverFever Quote
BeaverFever Posted November 5, 2024 Author Report Posted November 5, 2024 New $6-billion Arctic radar will track incoming missiles, says Canadian military The system, which is set to be operational in 2033, will provide missile tracking and other data to NORAD. Get the latest from David Pugliese, Ottawa Citizen straight to your inbox Published Nov 04, 2024 • Last updated 11 hours ago • 3 minute read The Canadian military said a new Arctic radar system will detect missiles. Pictured here is the North Warning System in Cambridge Bay, Nunavut. Photo by David Pugliese/POSTMEDIA A new $6-billion radar system planned for the Arctic will be focused on tracking incoming missiles as Canada seeks to reassure the United States it is doing its part to defend North America. Almost 20 years ago, the Canadian government rejected establishing a missile radar warning system on the east coast that would feed into the Pentagon’s missile defence system. But earlier this year defence industry representatives in Ottawa were given a briefing on a new system being planned that would provide missile tracking and other data to the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD). The Polar-Over-the-Horizon Radar will be “optimized to detect missiles,” but will also track additional aerospace and maritime objects, defence company representatives were told at the April 3 briefing. NORAD, in particular, has expressed its concern over cruise missiles. The radar system was announced with other initiatives in June 2022 as part of the Liberal government’s NORAD modernization plan, but few details were provided. The industry briefing, however, noted that the system will “operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week continuously with limited shutdowns for scheduled maintenance.” The cost estimate, at this time, is between $4 billion and $6 billion, according to the briefing. The system is expected to be fully operational in 2033. But large-scale and highly technical Canadian defence projects have a track record of going over budget and falling behind schedule. Evening Update The Ottawa Citizen’s best journalism, delivered directly to your inbox by 7 p.m. on weekdays. By signing up you consent to receive the above newsletter from Postmedia Network Inc. When originally announced, the government noted that the Polar-Over-the-Horizon Radar will “provide early warning radar coverage over and beyond the northernmost approaches to North America, including the Canadian Arctic Archipelago.” Defence industry representatives were told at the April 3 briefing that Defence Research and Development Canada would now be involved in site testing as well as computer-based modelling and simulation for the project. In addition, a project team of five military officers and three contractors has been created to begin the initiative, according to the briefing. Actual construction of the radars would begin in 2030, according to other Department of National Defence documents obtained by the Ottawa Citizen using the Access to Information Act. The U.S. Department of Commerce has also highlighted to American companies the Polar Over-the-Horizon Radar system as well as other Canadian procurements, noting they present opportunities for U.S. firms. National Defence spokesman Kened Sadiku noted in an email statement to the Ottawa Citizen that the polar radar program was scheduled to enter what was called a definition period in 2029. That involves defence officials validating project costs and preparing a management plan. “We look forward to sharing more information about those initiatives as details become available,” Sadiku added in his email. He did not explain why National Defence was not making available the same information to the public that it had provided to U.S. and Canadian companies. National Defence has faced criticism over what some see as the growing secrecy over big-ticket military procurements. Industry executives have previously pointed out that the secrecy is not based on security concerns, but on worries the news media and opposition MPs would be able to use the information to keep close tabs on the problem-plagued military procurement system. The Liberal government has been under intense pressure from the U.S. to boost defence spending. Last year, the Liberals announced more than $30 billion in new projects, with much of that going to U.S. firms. But that has prompted frustration among some domestic aerospace and defence companies that the Liberal government has been passing over Canadian technology, instead opting for foreign systems. The Canadian Forces is planning other new radar projects to feed information into NORAD. An over-the-horizon radar or OTHR, worth up to $3 billion, will be built somewhere in Ontario, according to the federal government. The decision on where to locate that radar has fallen behind schedule as the specific location was supposed to be determined earlier this year. But now the Department of National Defence says it doesn’t have a specific timeline for the decision on where the radars will be located. Sadiku, however, says there is no change expected to the initial timeline associated with this project. Defence officials say they are still confident the radar will be ready by 2028. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/new-6-billion-arctic-radar-will-track-incoming-missiles-says-canadian-military Quote
Army Guy Posted November 5, 2024 Report Posted November 5, 2024 Some from the BN sent me this, with Nov 11 coming i thought i'd share it.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
BeaverFever Posted November 5, 2024 Author Report Posted November 5, 2024 On 11/3/2024 at 1:32 PM, I am Groot said: Remember when the Asterix contract was let out, the one that got Admiral Norman cashiered? We had already let contracts out to build the new replenishment ships. They're still not here and they'll cost more than most nations spend on warships. Current estimate is $2.6 BILLION each. For replenishment ships! Ironically (or perhaps not) Asterix lease has been an extremely successful procurement, on time, on budget and never missing a day of service and has received many accolades from allies. She has a sister ship, the MV Obelix. I would love for the RCN to buy them both, perhaps partly because The Adventures of Asterix and Obelix was my favourite comic book series growing up. But they are civilian ships, not purpose-built military vessels so there will always be some limitations, apparently. Plus the JSS will have light sealift capability, which may or may not be an advantage…we will have to see how well that works out in real life. Some worry mixing replenishment and sealift roles will result in it not being ideal for either. Quote
Army Guy Posted November 5, 2024 Report Posted November 5, 2024 On 11/3/2024 at 4:01 PM, BeaverFever said: My understanding is that any leopard 2 can be upgraded to the latest variant, thus I believe once completed the 2A6M CAN C2 should hopefully be equivalent to the latest leopard, with the exception of any active protection systems incorporated into 2A8 as the linked article didn’t mention those. The 2A7+ is specifically designed for urban combat and counter-insurgency so the Canadian leos I’m guessing will be more like 2a8 Normally that is correct, but starting with the LeoIIa7 Plus they upgraded the suspension, to accommodate more armor, new FCS, modified barrel to accommodate new ammo and new pressures,new ceramic coatings.. the LeoIIA7plus has active protection but it is mounted on the turret, the LeoIIA8 has the active protection built into the turret, also has a lot of new suspension items in place and extra armor added, new power pact 1600 hp vice 1500HP, new FCS, upgraded thermal sites, day sites, new fire control computers... You could upgrade the chassis of the A6M can C2 to leo IIA8, but the turret needs to be changed out as it's Protection is built into the turrent vice mounted onto....But every country has modified their tanks to fit their needs hard to find them all the same...like our tanks series of our tanks have many different spare parts that are not common from one series to the other, in our case we have 3 types.. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
BeaverFever Posted November 5, 2024 Author Report Posted November 5, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Normally that is correct, but starting with the LeoIIa7 Plus they upgraded the suspension, to accommodate more armor, new FCS, modified barrel to accommodate new ammo and new pressures,new ceramic coatings.. the LeoIIA7plus has active protection but it is mounted on the turret, the LeoIIA8 has the active protection built into the turret, also has a lot of new suspension items in place and extra armor added, new power pact 1600 hp vice 1500HP, new FCS, upgraded thermal sites, day sites, new fire control computers... You could upgrade the chassis of the A6M can C2 to leo IIA8, but the turret needs to be changed out as it's Protection is built into the turrent vice mounted onto....But every country has modified their tanks to fit their needs hard to find them all the same...like our tanks series of our tanks have many different spare parts that are not common from one series to the other, in our case we have 3 types.. Yeah I suspect the Canadian upgrade will be like 2A8 but without the APS Who knows, we once did a turret swap on the old Leo1s when they got their life extension upgrade and replaced their 1A3 turrets with 1A5s so maybe the leo 2s will eventually get theirs some day The 2A7+ suspension is apparently specifically tuned to urban operations to allow for tighter maneuvering in city streets and crashing through/over things like cars and barricades, supposedly that type of suspension is less ideal for traditional tank warfare in open terrain which is why I suspect it’s not in the menu for the Canadian upgrade. Edited November 5, 2024 by BeaverFever Quote
Army Guy Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 21 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Yeah I suspect the Canadian upgrade will be like 2A8 but without the APS Who knows, we once did a turret swap on the old Leo1s when they got their life extension upgrade and replaced their 1A3 turrets with 1A5s so maybe the leo 2s will eventually get theirs some day The 2A7+ suspension is apparently specifically tuned to urban operations to allow for tighter maneuvering in city streets and crashing through/over things like cars and barricades, supposedly that type of suspension is less ideal for traditional tank warfare in open terrain which is why I suspect it’s not in the menu for the Canadian upgrade. I hope it comes with APS of some sort germans have developed one of their own plus are using tropy systems as well, German also designed one for top attacks.. It is not just a turret upgrade the chassis is modified to hold smaller but more powerful 1600 hp engine, along with more upgrades to suspension, new torsion bars, etc...it might be easier to build a the entire tank....as germany does not make any chassis anymore only one nation does and i forget which one...or so the rumor goes... New A8 has a complete new suspension over the A7 plus along with a long list of upgrades...and it may include an upgraded turret top armor being reinforced as the Swedish one was...it won't be long before a new model comes out, something on the lines of their concept vehs, it's strange no one has even looked at the concept vehs yet considering Ukraine conflict and what they have been going through. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
BeaverFever Posted November 6, 2024 Author Report Posted November 6, 2024 (edited) Not to beat a dead horse or anything but the new Light Tactical Vehicle is the topic of the latest Army Podcast out today Edited November 6, 2024 by BeaverFever Quote
Army Guy Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 when you give a starving man some food thats all he is going to talk about...Not very often anything new arrives in the forces, so regardless of what it is it is going to be news.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
BeaverFever Posted November 6, 2024 Author Report Posted November 6, 2024 36 minutes ago, Army Guy said: when you give a starving man some food thats all he is going to talk about...Not very often anything new arrives in the forces, so regardless of what it is it is going to be news.... If you listen they explain why they set out a requirement for this vehicle and also address the misguided criticism from some members of the public about lack of cover and ballistic protection (basically same as what I said here) Quote
Army Guy Posted November 7, 2024 Report Posted November 7, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, BeaverFever said: If you listen they explain why they set out a requirement for this vehicle and also address the misguided criticism from some members of the public about lack of cover and ballistic protection (basically same as what I said here) I get your concerns Beaver,The Maj is the project manger, of course he is going to sell this veh, Thats his job.......and disregard things like heaters, cover from the wind, and elements.... he does not sound like he has spent a lot of time in the field....i say that becasue one does not jump in a puddle to get your feet wet before a patrol,on purpose anyways, the Army spent a lot of time and money keeping your feet dry....Water is just another obstacle, having wet feet in the fall is a good way to take yourselves out of battle....why would you jump in a puddle on purpose, try an focus with wet feet marching good knows how far, your feet would get shredded.... then try any focus...It was not a good analogy.... His Platoon warrant or CSM should have slapped him in the back of the head for pulling anything that stupid...Now if there is no choice but to move through a wet zone, then yes your going to be uncomfortable, but if you have a choice , keep your feet dry....when ever you can... his comments about layering your clothing is why we take off clothing when doing strenuous activities, and put it back on when static...stick your hands outside your car when your driving highway speeds....see how long it takes to get uncomfortable...then imagine your entire body.... just for the life of me can not see this purchase on a positive side...Is it better than walking sure it is, but tell me is Ukraine using a veh like, must be a reason for it...Why would we send it over to Latvia when most of Russian troops are at least mechanized...even their Light Infantry are armed with BMD's and light tanks... Edited November 7, 2024 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Gaétan Posted November 8, 2024 Report Posted November 8, 2024 Poilievre will cut pensions for the old, transfers for illnesses, and lunches for the little ones to buy the weapons suggested by U.S. senators, representatives and other corrupt rot. Quote
Army Guy Posted November 8, 2024 Report Posted November 8, 2024 6 hours ago, Gaétan said: Poilievre will cut pensions for the old, transfers for illnesses, and lunches for the little ones to buy the weapons suggested by U.S. senators, representatives and other corrupt rot. Didn't you hear, he is going to cut off the free drug supply and get you treatment instead of feeding your addiction...then round all those just like you gaetan make you wear a huge L on your t shirt, send you and mom to BC where once they collect enough of your kind.....your going to be shipped off to china, to work in some sweat shop, making rubber dog sh*t toys.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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