Nationalist Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Lets be real and with reality. The Chinese are not the only country, group, organization that is trying to influence candidates in our elections but hey, they are easy to accuse. The Chinese have now found out how to manage subterfuge even easier. They do not have to do a thing, just say (or leak) that they are and we go into a tailspin. Just look at the Chow situation... did they or didn't they? Makes no matter, they just leaked something and everything is in doubt. As for passing laws... do you honestly think China or any country, group or organization is going to say "Oh Canada has a law so we best stay away? LOL As I have said before and will say again, a Public inquiry will be big, fat, time consuming and expensive and destined for an archive somewhere. If anyone thinks we can pass a law or make rules in Canada to prevent clandestine efforts of foreign (or domestic) electoral interference then they live in dreamland. Roll over puppy. There's a cooperative boy... 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 3 hours ago, eyeball said: No. SNC Lavalin proved it in the face of Harper's Transparency and Accountability Act. Couple this with the fact there is so much partisan resistance to transparency, there's nothing at all that can be done. Best to just let it go, let it go, LET IT GO! ROFLMAO...you too puppy. Roll over. Good boy. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
ExFlyer Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Roll over puppy. There's a cooperative boy... No need to roll over. I just have my eyes open. Clearly yours are as closed as your mind LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Nationalist Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: No need to roll over. I just have my eyes open. Clearly yours are as closed as your mind LOL Oh of course. I mean...who would think, after accusations of Chinese CPC interference in federal elections, that they'd get involved in interfering in favour of a Chinese Socialist? Pfft...you eyes are open and you still see poorly. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
ExFlyer Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Oh of course. I mean...who would think, after accusations of Chinese CPC interference in federal elections, that they'd get involved in interfering in favour of a Chinese Socialist? Pfft...you eyes are open and you still see poorly. Tsk, Tsk, always and only Chinese. Your anti Chinese bias is all over these forums.my eyes are wide open, I see clearly and my mind is open and think clearly too. Not a anti Chinese racist. Posting about a Chinese student lured into prostitution in a foreign student discussion LOL Edited July 11, 2023 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Nationalist Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 Just now, ExFlyer said: Tsk, Tsk, always and only Chinese. Your anti Chinese bias is all over these forums. Posting about a Chinese student lured into prostitution in a foreign student discussion LOL well...they did poison the planet so...to hell with the CPC. Except for you of course puppy. Hey...think they can rub your belly from China? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 44 minutes ago, CdnFox said: @Moonbox No, he did. He literally said he was trying to let it go. Yes, your disingenuously termed concept. It's hilarious and ironic how stupid and dumb you tell everyone they are while cocking up your own ignorance. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 21 minutes ago, Nationalist said: ROFLMAO...you too puppy. Roll over. Good boy. Why, what did I do? You must think I'm not or never have been sincere about transparency and it's lack thereof contributing to the way our politicians behave. Why on Earth would anyone around here think that? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Why, what did I do? You must think I'm not or never have been sincere about transparency and it's lack thereof contributing to the way our politicians behave. Why on Earth would anyone around here think that? Quote Best to just let it go, let it go, LET IT GO! If I've misinterpreted this...you have my apology. But it sounds like you'd just like to ignore this issue? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: If I've misinterpreted this...you have my apology. But it sounds like you'd just like to ignore this issue? I'd like to let go of the hope issues like this won't be so perennial...the transparency concept thingy I do...have done for years and years? Never mind. It's hopeless. Edited July 11, 2023 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ExFlyer Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 27 minutes ago, Nationalist said: well...they did poison the planet so...to hell with the CPC. Except for you of course puppy. Hey...think they can rub your belly from China? I agree with you. What I do not agree with is that China is alone in this interference business. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Nationalist Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 1 hour ago, eyeball said: I'd like to let go of the hope issues like this won't be so perennial...the transparency concept thingy I do...have done for years and years? Never mind. It's hopeless. I'm down with transparency. Sorry. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted July 11, 2023 Author Report Posted July 11, 2023 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Yes, your disingenuously termed concept. So you DID know what you meant or did you just figure it out now after thinking about it all day? LOL - well it only took you about 7ish hours to remember - with your attention span that's not so bad Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted July 11, 2023 Author Report Posted July 11, 2023 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: I agree with you. What I do not agree with is that China is alone in this interference business. Good thing nobody's ever suggested that. But you can't provide any evidence of another nation to specifically address, so china is what we have to work with right now However - the foreign registry i mentioned would work REGARDLESS of what nation was involved. Which basically means you're being dishonest again. You're mad that china which has been CAUGHT doing this is being specifically mentioned, that some other country you can't name hasn't been mentioned, and complain about the solution which works for both Sounds a lot more like you just wish the chinese could carry on helping trudeau and we 'd all shut up about it. Why are you opposed to a solution proven effective elsewhere that would apply to any country interfering with us? 13 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Scary, scary China. It is scary. Unless we take steps to restore confidence in the gov't you're going to have massive problems. You're not trying to suggest the opposite, that china is harmless i assume? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 20 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I'm down with transparency. Sorry. You still misunderstand, I'm down with it too but I'm in the process of giving up hope which I think must involve mocking hope myself. Don't take it personally. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 33 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So you DID know what you meant or did you just figure it out now after thinking about it all day? LOL - well it only took you about 7ish hours to remember - with your attention span that's not so bad I said I've known for decades something that only appears to have occured to you this morning. 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: we have to restore faith in the gov't and democratic process on all levels. If we don't and people have no faith in their gov't it tends to end badly. You should try stopping so hard to be an arsehole about everything - you always end up coming off as smart as a bag of dogshit. 2 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted July 11, 2023 Report Posted July 11, 2023 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: If we don't and people have no faith in their gov't it tends to end badly. Word to the wise... it's already been going badly for years now because that faith has long since been lost. Do try to keep up. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted July 12, 2023 Report Posted July 12, 2023 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I agree with you. What I do not agree with is that China is alone in this interference business. Probably. Yet this is in your face. Obvious. As if there's nothing anyone can do about it. Almost mockingly. To Hell with this garbage. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted July 12, 2023 Author Report Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, eyeball said: I said I've known for decades something that only appears to have occured to you this morning. Awwww mufffin - lying to try to cover up your stupid? How sad I never said anything about when anything occurred to me - just that you obviously didn't have a grasp of it. Quote You should try stopping so hard to be an arsehole about everything - you always end up coming off as smart as a bag of dogshit. You started it sparky :? When you're not being a total douche i'm pretty polite to you. THe problem is you and a few others here have no problem picking a fight, but sure don't like it when it doesn't turn out your way. Civil honest discussion gets civil honest responses. Pick your poison. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted July 12, 2023 Report Posted July 12, 2023 43 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I never said anything about when anything occurred to me That's right, I said something about when the concept occured to you, which was this morning by all accounts. Remember the concept? 45 minutes ago, CdnFox said: just that you obviously didn't have a grasp of it. Except I've obviously had a grasp of the need to restore faith in the gov't and democratic process on all levels for decades. I've also known that if we didn't people would lose faith in their gov't which would lead to a bad end. You've only been here a short time and obviously never checked what I've had to say about the concept or you'd know that. But like I said it's great to see you so woke up to it. Finally. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted July 12, 2023 Report Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: You started it sparky :? Say what? ? 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted July 12, 2023 Author Report Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, eyeball said: That's right, I said something about when the concept occured to you, which was this morning by all accounts. By what accounts? YOU were the only one who mentioned it? LOL - having trouble keeping your lies straight? Quote Except I've obviously had a grasp of the need to restore faith in the gov't and democratic process on all levels for decades. Well that's not what you were talking about but sure, why not. Quote I've also known that if we didn't people would lose faith in their gov't which would lead to a bad end. According to polls people had a pretty decent faith in gov't going back quite a while. It's more recently it's been shaken. But they've always had faith in the democratic process. they believed the gov't elected WAS elected. this is starting to challenge those beliefs. Quote You've only been here a short time and obviously never checked what I've had to say about the concept or you'd know that. But like I said it's great to see you so woke up to it. Finally. If i've only been here a short time how do you know i haven't felt that way even longer than you have LOL - you're going to have to get a lot better at bullshitting if you're going to keep this up In any case - this is specific to this issue. If people don't believe their elections are secure then they will not believe in the legitimacy of the gov't. If they lose faith that the gov't is elected from a clean democatic process then we see things like we've seen in the states. That is bad. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted July 12, 2023 Author Report Posted July 12, 2023 40 minutes ago, eyeball said: Say what? ? Do you need me to type it slower? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
ExFlyer Posted July 12, 2023 Report Posted July 12, 2023 11 hours ago, Nationalist said: Probably. Yet this is in your face. Obvious. As if there's nothing anyone can do about it. Almost mockingly. To Hell with this garbage. Reality will let you know we can pass laws, make noise and threaten but if they want to interfere, they will find a way. Yes, it is garbage but lobbying, overt or covert, is a age old honoured method of peddling influence, be it by a company , organization or country. "Professional lobbyists are people whose business is trying to influence legislation, regulation, or other government decisions, actions, or policies" 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
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