Quick question for the armchair generals here, and I know there's plenty

[NYLefty]

Prigozhin marching to within 150 kilometers of Moscow with troops and armored vehicles.

OK uncle Vlad sends a column of migs over and vaporizes the whole operation.

WTF am I missing here????

[Dougie93]

it would hardly be a display of strength

for the Kremlin to have to bomb its own mercenary troops on Russian soil to put down a coup

but the Wagner mercenaries reportedly rolled through Rostov-am-Don

which is the Russian Southern Military District Headquarters

then they rolled through Voronezh, which is the Headquarters of the 20th Guards Army

so if the Russian military was going to stop them

one wonders why they didn't just do it at either of those opportunities

[Dougie93]

51 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

•  the military is loyal to him

I would suppose that the VSRF is not a monolith

the Ground Forces

the Military Maritime Fleet

the Air & Space Force

the Strategic Rocket Forces

the Airborne Troops

the Special Purpose Troops

the Main Intelligence Directorate

I would view these commands as being factions unto themselves, with varying degrees of loyalty

 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

the former KGB man.

it's important to understand that the Committee for State Security was not the military

the KGB and the GRU were rivals, constantly trying to undermine each other

it was practically a civil war within the security apparatus of the Soviet Union

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I am referring to him as the former KGB man, Putin, based on him joining in 1975 and the fact that he knocked on the door of that rotten agency even earlier.

indeed, but the KGB was actually despised by the military

he was never a military officer, so he doesn't necessarily have the respect & loyalty of the armed forces

 

 

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

What do you think? 

Power and Money.

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

What do you think? 

I don't think he can trust the military at all

soon as he is perceived as being weak, they would turn on him

[Dougie93]

16 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

While it is true that Putin was not a military officer and may not have initially had the same level of respect and loyalty from the armed forces as a military leader would, it is important to note that political dynamics and power structures can evolve over time.

I don't think the Putin cult of the personality is all that strong

he's a glorified bureaucrat who has made himself into a cartoon playboy oligarch

and he's made the same mistake as Nicolas II

by making himself the Supreme Commander

responsible for any and all defeats

Prigozhin even invoked a way out for Putin

which is to declare victory and end the war, before it is too late

 

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, NYLefty said:

Prigozhin marching to within 150 kilometers of Moscow with troops and armored vehicles.

OK uncle Vlad sends a column of migs over and vaporizes the whole operation.

WTF am I missing here????

What you're "missing" is a victory against your hated political enemy, Valdmir Putin. You miss it badly. 

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, NYLefty said:

Prigozhin marching to within 150 kilometers of Moscow with troops and armored vehicles.

OK uncle Vlad sends a column of migs over and vaporizes the whole operation.

WTF am I missing here????

Putin can hardly afford to wipe out 25,000 fighters he NEEDS to fight in Ukraine.

FAR BETTER if he can negotiate for Yevgeny Prigozhin to stand down and recruit his mercenaries to keep fighting.

Prigozhin will be completely neutralized at some point in the near future if he poses any further threat to Putin.

And probably even if he doesn't.

ETA:

Here's another possibility. The whole thing was a charade to get Prigozhin’s 25,000 mercenaries into Belarus, where they can more easily blitz Kiev and decapitate the Ukrainian government.

The key sign will be if the mercenaries accompany Yevgeny Prigozhin into Belarus. Maybe covertly.

Edited June 25, 2023 by robosmith

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, NYLefty said:

Prigozhin marching to within 150 kilometers of Moscow with troops and armored vehicles.

OK uncle Vlad sends a column of migs over and vaporizes the whole operation.

WTF am I missing here????

Priggy has surface to air missiles and some 'advanced' russian gear - and a lot of that fighting would take place in cities. So you're bombing fellow russians - that never goes over well.

And considering the track record of the russian military and Wagner - i'd bet that priggy would still make it just fine but now he'd be showing up in moscow in a VERY bad mood.

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Quick Question, this theory. This theory, above:

Did you come up with it? or have you heard in a think tank/media? or some rumors around the same men that you used to share security clearance with back in the day, the type of folks in the shadows?!

There has been a lot of uncertainty surrounding what is known. Including curiosity expressed, about how easily Prigozhin was able to roll his armor into Rosoft and how quickly it was resolved by the President of Belarus. Both he and Prigozhin are thought to be strong Putin loyalists. I don't believe that has changed so quickly.

The rest is just my speculation about how it makes sense.

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

• Outside the box, finally bringing something except CAPS LOCK. 

My caps are NEVER locked. I am quite adept at pressing the shift key for single or double words.

[NYLefty]

14 hours ago, Deluge said:

What you're "missing" is a victory against your hated political enemy, Valdmir Putin. You miss it badly. 

Not sure of what your trying bring forth with this line of gibber. Your saying that a horrible scumbag being replaced by an even more horrible scumbag is something that should be celebrated.

[NYLefty]

I guess at this point in time we can agree that the eastern bear once again grows restless. And all this folly of NATO somehow be a threat to the beast from the east by attempting to take Ukraine under it's wing were false. All the well poor Vlad is being threatened by those miserable Europeans crowd might see a little clearer of what's over there in a monster like Prigozhin, and at the same time see there shirtless flabby horseback riding superhero isn't the mighty leader  they all thought he was. 

[reason10]

23 hours ago, NYLefty said:

Prigozhin marching to within 150 kilometers of Moscow with troops and armored vehicles.

OK uncle Vlad sends a column of migs over and vaporizes the whole operation.

WTF am I missing here????

Wouldn't have happened had Trump's election not been overturned. He gave us WORLD PEACE, and the goose steppers violated election law and  put in a senile racist pedophile.

World War III is not far away, THANKS TO YOU GOOSE STEPPERS.

[Deluge]

6 hours ago, NYLefty said:

Not sure of what your trying bring forth with this line of gibber. Your saying that a horrible scumbag being replaced by an even more horrible scumbag is something that should be celebrated.

No, what I'm saying is that you value wokeness above everything else. Putin is anti-woke, therefore he is your enemy. 

Hope that clears things up for you.