Canada's population will hit record 40M on Friday: StatCan

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Whine some more....it will cost you more next year LOL

LOL - sure kid   Only the liberals call speaking truth and fact "whining"     

[eyeball]

On 7/2/2023 at 9:13 AM, cougar said:

You can't. First you have the constant forest fires, then you have all sorts of limitations resulting from too many users, to few resources or places to go and finally, believe it or not, when it comes to booking motels in the wilderness our country is one of the shittiest you can think of.  Everything is booked by this time of year at outrageous prices and what is left for you is a big hassle and the only viable option of sleeping in a tent.  Enjoy?  Not so easy.

Sure it is, you can increase density to accommodate the demand.  Build resorts instead of motels especially if spreading further into the wilderness is impractical.  By the very same token Increasing density is the solution to the expense of urban sprawl into new areas surrounding cities.  You need more development in the city, its cheaper to retrofit existing infrastructure than build new from scratch.  But above all else you need to increase density.  4 story townhouses, laneway homes, suites in single residential homes etc. 

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, eyeball said:

By the very same token Increasing density is the solution to the expense of urban sprawl into new areas surrounding cities. 

Vancouver, as an example. already has  the highest population density in Canada and the problems aren't resolved.

And you can't just 'increase density'.  that would mean tearing down existing structures and building new, and often building new sewer and water etc to go with it.

It's not a bad thing to do but it's no solution.  more of something that will help mitigate growth moving forward a little.

[ExFlyer]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL - sure kid   Only the liberals call speaking truth and fact "whining"     

What truth?? Your truth?? Good one LOL

Argue all you want, I have my opinion and will stick with it. Guarantee next year will be more expensive than this year.

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

What truth?? Your truth?? Good one LOL

Yeah - facts and stuff.  You know - the things you hate

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Argue all you want, I have my opinion and will stick with it.

And don't let facts or truth get in your way!!! That's the spirit!

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Guarantee next year will be more expensive than this year.

Well as i've already shown that's not really relevant.  Kind of a stupid thing to say. It's not that things will cost more, it's that people will not be able to afford it.

But hey - math is hard.

[I am Groot]

On 7/2/2023 at 11:02 AM, -TSS- said:

Canada will be all right. It will always be an attractive destination for immigration which will patch up the low birth-rate unlike many European countries where the birth-rates are so low while the population is ageing that the best advice is to stay in shape because in the 2030s and onwards being in some nursery home is going to be very nasty.

Countries such as Italy and Spain are projected to have their population halved by the end of the century.

Projected. Based upon current culture and values. 

Suppose as the population gets smaller and workers get rarer they become more valuable, get paid more. Suppose housing becomes way cheaper too since there are an excess of houses. Neither of these seems at all unlikely results from a dwindling population. Perhaps then young couples would decide to have more children since they can now afford decent houses and yards in which to raise them.

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The immigrants will be just fine, the rest of Canadians will be just fine too and you 2 will still be whining about the same thing

The mantra of the Left "Don't worry, be happy!"

 

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The mantra of the Left "Don't worry, be happy!"

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

The mantra of the Left "Don't worry, be happy!"

 

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah - facts and stuff.  You know - the things you hate

And don't let facts or truth get in your way!!! That's the spirit!

Well as i've already shown that's not really relevant.  Kind of a stupid thing to say. It's not that things will cost more, it's that people will not be able to afford it.

But hey - math is hard.

There is help for you folks.

The most common form of talking therapy for paranoia is cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT). During CBT, you will examine the way you think and the evidence for your beliefs and look for different possible interpretations. CBT can also help reduce worry and anxiety that may influence and increase feelings of paranoia.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

...you can't just 'increase density'.  that would mean tearing down existing structures and building new, and often building new sewer and water etc to go with it.

New connections to an existing system in most cases. Same as with roads, power grids etc.

The biggest problem by far is the nimby factor.

I think there's reason to believe greater density will do more than just mitigate. I'm seeing greater density do that where I live right now. After having seen it contribute to the lack of housing for decades.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 

 

There is help for you folks.

 

Ahhhh - this is going to be yet another case where you lose a debate and have a hissy fit and go nanners looking like an !diot, isn't it. 

Don't be mad at me just because your 'opinion'  doesn't line up with verifiable facts. If you say stupid things you may wind up looking stupid - if you don't want to look stupid do your homework BEFORE you say the stupid things.

[ExFlyer]

52 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Ahhhh - this is going to be yet another case where you lose a debate and have a hissy fit and go nanners looking like an !diot, isn't it. 

Don't be mad at me just because your 'opinion'  doesn't line up with verifiable facts. If you say stupid things you may wind up looking stupid - if you don't want to look stupid do your homework BEFORE you say the stupid things.

Not mad at all, just sorryabout your condition. I can see that you have resorted to your old self, accusations and name calling. So sad you keep falling back there.

Just trying to help with some information for your situation. Get well soon.

 

Waiting....... LOL

Edited July 4, 2023 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Not mad at all, just sorryabout your condition. I can see that you have resorted to your old self, accusations and name calling. So sad you keep falling back there.

Just trying to help with some information for your situation. Get well soon.

 

Waiting....... LOL

Yeahhhh there it is. You're like this every time.  Like somehow it's MY fault YOU were wrong and got your butt handed to you as a result.

Sigh. Well, by all means continue with the elementary school antics.  I could use a laugh   did you want to do the counting game again, you seemed to enjoy that one?

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Yeahhhh there it is. You're like this every time.  Like somehow it's MY fault YOU were wrong and got your butt handed to you as a result.

Sigh. Well, by all means continue with the elementary school antics.  I could use a laugh   did you want to do the counting game again, you seemed to enjoy that one?

Well, you just keep on keeping on....and on....and on...and on.....

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

 

 

There is help for you folks.

The most common form of talking therapy for paranoia is cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT). During CBT, you will examine the way you think and the evidence for your beliefs and look for different possible interpretations. CBT can also help reduce worry and anxiety that may influence and increase feelings of paranoia.

You know, when I used to warn that all the borrowing was going to lead to inflation all the Liberals and lefties laughed. Well, I worked hard and gave up a number of purchases to get my mortgage paid off seven years early, and finished last year. I'm the one laughing now while all the people who couldn't be bothered to prepare for a fairly easy-to-foresee future are sweating about whether they'll have to give up their homes.

Edited July 4, 2023 by I am Groot

[ExFlyer]

7 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You know, when I used to warn that all the borrowing was going to lead to inflation all the Liberals and lefties laughed. Well, I worked hard and gave up a number of purchases to get my mortgage paid off early last year. I'm the one laughing now while all the people who couldn't be bothered to prepare for a fairly easy-to-foresee future are sweating about whether they'll have to give up their homes.

I agree and that is basically what I have been saying.

I did not and would not laugh.

People are upset their expectations are not being met or they cannot afford the lifestyle they would like.

I too did without things I wanted in order to pay off my mortgage. I also owned a house in the dreaded 18% days in the 80's but, I survived. We did without but, we had our house.

My point to some is that no one is owed anything. The government does not owe people a house. People have to live within their means and if their means does not include buying a house then, like you, save and do with out..  People have to choose lifestyle or like you and me, own a house.

[cougar]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure it is, you can increase density to accommodate the demand.  Build resorts instead of motels especially if spreading further into the wilderness is impractical.  By the very same token Increasing density is the solution to the expense of urban sprawl into new areas surrounding cities.  You need more development in the city, its cheaper to retrofit existing infrastructure than build new from scratch.  But above all else you need to increase density.  4 story townhouses, laneway homes, suites in single residential homes etc. 

Why are you telling this to me?  I am not the planner or the builder.  All I was saying is that you can't even have a vacation as motels are overpriced and insufficient.

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I agree and that is basically what I have been saying.

I did not and would not laugh.

People are upset their expectations are not being met or they cannot afford the lifestyle they would like.

I too did without things I wanted in order to pay off my mortgage. I also owned a house in the dreaded 18% days in the 80's but, I survived. We did without but, we had our house.

My point to some is that no one is owed anything. The government does not owe people a house. People have to live within their means and if their means does not include buying a house then, like you, save and do with out..  People have to choose lifestyle or like you and me, own a house.

What you missed out of that, is, I suspect, that it was more a commentary on your "The immigrants will be just fine, the rest of Canadians will be just fine too" and TSS 'Canada will be all right". Because, you see, I'm not nearly as confident of that as you two appear to be. Risk assessment is in my nature. And just as I could foresee trouble with rising interest rates so too can I foresee bringing in hundreds of thousands of people, many of them unskilled, every year in the face of whatever the hell AI is going to do the labour market over the next decade or more could lead to grave trouble.

People joke about Canadians' easygoing nature, about how passive and accepting we are of things when they go wrong. And to an extent, that's almost a fault. But people from our major source countries are NOT like that. And if they feel they've come here only to see their hopes smashed they're going to be a very unhappy bunch of people. 

The Liberals lowered the express entry cutoff number from 413 to 75 last year, the lowest it's ever been, basically making a mockery out of the very idea that we're screening for 'skilled' immigrants. And I just can't see how bringing over massive amounts of unskilled people every year in order to keep wages low in the restaurant and hotel industries as housing (and rental) prices shoot through the roof is going to lead to peace and happiness. Even without AI aggravating the situation.

I realize they've raised the cutoff score for this year, but it's clear the priority of this government is not quality but quantity, and that doesn't speak well for how much effort we're putting in to select the best and brightest.

Edited July 5, 2023 by I am Groot

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

Why are you telling this to me?  I am not the planner or the builder.  All I was saying is that you can't even have a vacation as motels are overpriced and insufficient.

You pointed out the issue of demand outsripping supply.

On 7/2/2023 at 9:13 AM, cougar said:

...you have all sorts of limitations resulting from too many users, to few resources or places to go

This mirrors the problem of housing shortages. I suspect if you were the builder or planner in a wilderness area you'll find the same problems that stand in the way of developing in urban areas, the cost of overcoming regulatory hurdles in addition to resistance to more development.  The two often go hand in hand which is why some senior governments, prompted by calls to do something, are increasingly tempted to overrule municipal regulatory hurdles to development.

It will be harder to argue senior governments should intervene to get resorts developed in untouched wilderness where they'd be likelier to say no. Which would leave it to locals to have to consider increasing density in already developed areas and overcoming resistance on their own.  

Edited July 5, 2023 by eyeball

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It will be harder to argue senior governments should intervene to get resorts developed in untouched wilderness where they'd be likelier to say no. Which would leave it to locals to have to consider increasing density in already developed areas and overcoming resistance on their own.  

There will be Nimby's but there will also be Pimby's - Please-in-my-backyard types - in fact these people have long existed for years under the radar via illegal suites, trailer pads and so on in regulatory environments that largely rely on someone making a complaint.

I still recall articles in local papers from business associations asking people to build BnB's so as to attract more people to the region. I also recall public meetings where resisters to this were asked 'okay, can we go back to fishing, logging and other resource industries?'  NO was the resounding answer to that. It's not escaped notice that a good number of the people resisting Bnb's were often the same people who resisted logging and fishing etc.

It is what it is.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Well, you just keep on keeping on....and on....and on...and on.....

LOLOL - 9 more times kiddo

( i mean, i know i brought it up but it was a JOKE - i didn't think you'd actually be so mentally broken up that you'd DO it! LOL! You're always entertaining!)

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You know, when I used to warn that all the borrowing was going to lead to inflation all the Liberals and lefties laughed. Well, I worked hard and gave up a number of purchases to get my mortgage paid off seven years early, and finished last year. I'm the one laughing now while all the people who couldn't be bothered to prepare for a fairly easy-to-foresee future are sweating about whether they'll have to give up their homes.

Which is great, and i'm in the same boat.  But - the  young people who didn't get that opportunity and are just now trying to build that kind of life along with the immigrants who are arriving are not going to be happy with the current situation. And sooner or later that turns to civil unrest. You only have to look at places like France to see it.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

What you missed out of that, is suspect, that it was more a commentary on your "The immigrants will be just fine, the rest of Canadians will be just fine too" and TSS 'Canada will be all right". Because, you see, I'm not nearly as confident of that as you two appear to be. Risk assessment is in my nature. And just as I could foresee trouble with rising interest rates so too can I foresee bringing in hundreds of thousands of people, many of them unskilled, every year in the face of whatever the hell AI is going to do the labour market over the next decade or more could lead to grave trouble.

People joke about Canadians' easygoing nature, about how passive and accepting we are of things when they go wrong. And to an extent, that's almost a fault. But people from our major source countries are NOT like that. And if they feel they've come here only to see their hopes smashed they're going to be a very unhappy bunch of people. 

The Liberals lowered the express entry cutoff number from 413 to 75 last year, the lowest it's ever been, basically making a mockery out of the very idea that we're screening for 'skilled' immigrants. And I just can't see how bringing over massive amounts of unskilled people every year in order to keep wages low in the restaurant and hotel industries as housing (and rental) prices shoot through the roof is going to lead to peace and happiness. Even without AI aggravating the situation.

I realize they've raised the cutoff score for this year, but it's clear the priority of this government is not quality but quantity, and that doesn't speak well for how much effort we're putting in to select the best and brightest.

There's another problem on top of that.

There's evidence that our increasing home prices and high cost of living are turning out to be a 'talent filter'.  Immigrants come here and the ones with lots of skills say "nopers - lets keep going"  and they wind up somewhere else - and the ones who have limijted skills and limited money wind up being the ones stuck behind.

Considering our already dismal competition ratings, that's a problem.

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, I am Groot said:

What you missed out of that, is, I suspect, that it was more a commentary on your "The immigrants will be just fine, the rest of Canadians will be just fine too" and TSS 'Canada will be all right". Because, you see, I'm not nearly as confident of that as you two appear to be. Risk assessment is in my nature. And just as I could foresee trouble with rising interest rates so too can I foresee bringing in hundreds of thousands of people, many of them unskilled, every year in the face of whatever the hell AI is going to do the labour market over the next decade or more could lead to grave trouble.

People joke about Canadians' easygoing nature, about how passive and accepting we are of things when they go wrong. And to an extent, that's almost a fault. But people from our major source countries are NOT like that. And if they feel they've come here only to see their hopes smashed they're going to be a very unhappy bunch of people. 

The Liberals lowered the express entry cutoff number from 413 to 75 last year, the lowest it's ever been, basically making a mockery out of the very idea that we're screening for 'skilled' immigrants. And I just can't see how bringing over massive amounts of unskilled people every year in order to keep wages low in the restaurant and hotel industries as housing (and rental) prices shoot through the roof is going to lead to peace and happiness. Even without AI aggravating the situation.

I realize they've raised the cutoff score for this year, but it's clear the priority of this government is not quality but quantity, and that doesn't speak well for how much effort we're putting in to select the best and brightest.

I hear you and your concerns. I am just a bit more optimistic than you.

Canada allows, encourages and welcomes skilled people to come into the country. Problem is Canada (or provinces) itself. In the case of doctors, nurses, even engineers, this country cannot seem to find a way to get them licensed to work here.  Unskilled entrants will take the unskilled jobs we Canadians no longer want to do.

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOLOL - 9 more times kiddo

( i mean, i know i brought it up but it was a JOKE - i didn't think you'd actually be so mentally broken up that you'd DO it! LOL! You're always entertaining!)

Kudos to you, you have taught me never to argue with an !diot, they'll only bring you down to their level & beat you with experience so, I will no longer argue with you.