The progressive left discards Muslims as un-Canadian (national post)

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I wonder how many of those muslims support the “barbaric cultural practices” snitch line conservatives promised to implement.

A lot actually.  Turns out there's a lot of muslims who think burning your children in pizza ovens because they dated a boy is not ok.

Think about what you're saying. You're actually suggesting that people who lived in fear of violence or death shouldn't be able to call for help.  Or that they'd be angry about having the ability to. the only people in that scenario who would be angry is the abuser.

Give your head a shake - that was all the left wing media and CBC trying to blow something out of proportion. \

"Harper made it easier to report violent crimes happening!  He must go!!!!!"   Yeah right.

 

Oh - and you still can't find a single quote to back up your claim that conservatives have been calling Muslims "UnCanadian" for years and years now.   What a lying sack you are.

Edited June 19, 2023 by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Good. I knew the enlightened Left would turn its ugly head on muslims. I'm curious to see how that plays out. 

I'm a little surprised it took this long. I mean - they hate christians and a lot of the moral ideology is fairly similar.

the lefts "acceptance" of muslims had a lot to do with their hatred of jews i believe.   If you hate jews and hate Isreal existing, then it's pretty natural to love muslims and Palestine. 

In reality i don't think they should be hating jews OR muslims but i  think they're about to realize that their ideology is not aligned with muslims as much as they thought.

[Deluge]

25 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm a little surprised it took this long. I mean - they hate christians and a lot of the moral ideology is fairly similar.

the lefts "acceptance" of muslims had a lot to do with their hatred of jews i believe.   If you hate jews and hate Isreal existing, then it's pretty natural to love muslims and Palestine. 

In reality i don't think they should be hating jews OR muslims but i  think they're about to realize that their ideology is not aligned with muslims as much as they thought.

They're making their move. For some reason they think they can enslave the entire planet, and that ain't gonna happen. lol

[CdnFox]

Just now, Deluge said:

They're making their move. For some reason they think they can enslave the entire planet, and that ain't gonna happen. lol

The left or the muslims?

[Deluge]

Just now, CdnFox said:

The left or the muslims?

The left. 

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, Deluge said:

The left. 

well - they're making their LATEST move - it's not like hard left authortarianism hasn't reared it's head in world domination before ( China, Russia, looking at you.. )

But they are certainly making a move in north america. They want to tear down our existing system and replace it with their version of a utopia  That's why all traditional values are bad, all history of the country is bad, everything is built on slavery and racism, the police are bad and the gov't is bad, Christianity is bad, etc etc ,

Once people accept everything we have or care about is bad they'll be willing to replace it with all that leftie goodness and authoritarianism.

[BeaverFever]

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

A lot actually.  Turns out there's a lot of muslims who think burning your children in pizza ovens because they dated a boy is not ok….

That’s a crime called murder and the snitch line for crimes is called 911. So what’s a “barbaric cultural practice” line to report people from other cultures for then, if not for reporting ACTUAL crimes?  Your claim that it was helpline for victims is total bullsh1t made up by you. You don’t call a federal government hotline to seek help getting away from an abuser those numbers already exist and 911 is the number for anything criminal. And what about white people escaping from white Canadian abusers?  Do they get their own number with shorter wait time and faster response or something?

And if it’s such a good idea why did the Harper government abandon and then have their spokesperson give a tearful tv apology for it then? 

And  If so many Muslims supported conservatives and this muslim snitch line then why did the conservatives only get single-digit voter support from Muslims in that election?

36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

they hate christians

Lie  

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

hatred of jews

Lie. Jewish conspiracy folk are MAGAs. As are the KKK who officially endorsed Trump and many Neo-Nazi groups 

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

hate Isreal existing,

Lie

 

It’s hilarious that you’re so prolific at calling everyone ELSE a liar amd demanding extraordinary levels of evidence while throwing all these baseless lies everywhere you go l. Like all conservative chickenhawks you can dish it out but you can’t take it. 

[BeaverFever]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

not like hard left authortarianism hasn't reared it's head in world domination before ( China, Russia, looking at you.. )

Lie. Putin is on “the left” now?  That’s a new one!

 

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

all history of the country is bad,

Lie

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Once people accept everything we have or care about is bad they'll be willing to replace it with all that leftie goodness and authoritarianism.

That’s actually a more accurate description of populism with its conspiracies about “educated elites” and “the deep state”  In its current form, it is right wing. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 6/18/2023 at 12:04 AM, WestCanMan said:

FYI islam is one of the least liberal ideologies on the planet. 

Mohammed is kinda like Buddha and Jesus because he's a human figure at the head of a major religion, but he is the exact opposite kind of person from Buddha and Jesus.
 

Islam is a mixed bag. The Ismailis, Ahmadis and Sufis are not known for their violence or intolerance, while the Baha’i faith, a religion that arose out of Islam, puts the unity of all people at the heart of its beliefs. Compared to their European peers, the Ottomans were more tolerant of other faiths. These can be seen in part as attempts to come to terms with a diverse, urban environment where you simply can’t go all Old Testament on everyone who holds to another set of doctrines. The Jews learned that lesson under the Greeks and Romans. Some Muslims are still getting used to it.

Edited June 19, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[Legato]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I wonder how many of those muslims support the “barbaric cultural practices” snitch line conservatives promised to implement. So far the Muslim community has not supported CPC at the ballot box what with the conservative noise machine’s long track record of screaming about “creeping sharia” and islamist terrorism and opposing Trudeau accepting Muslim refugees from Syria

When the conservatives were at their anti-muslim peak and thrown out of office in 2015, 60% of the Muslim vote went to Liberals and fewer than 10% went to CPC with their snitch line and niqab-citizenship ban.  So your hope of a muslim wave for CPC sounds more aspirational than factual 

But for your continued reading enjoyment here’s one of many right-wing editorials  freaking out about liberals bill m-103 that simply condemned islamaphobia

 

Stop normalizing Sharia law in Canada
 

Leftist elites in Canada have launched a campaign to normalize Sharia law – the illiberal and often barbaric set of laws enforced in Islamic dictatorships.

In Ottawa, the Trudeau government is in the middle of what feels like a show-trial designed to make “Islamophobia” illegal – a term the government itself has failed to define.

…More than just Orwellian, these official suggestions are reminiscent of theocratic tyranny. That’s not Canadian law. That’s Sharia law.

https://torontosun.com/2017/09/25/stop-normalizing-sharia-law-in-canada/wcm/e9de51b5-8aef-4a11-a1eb-79a87b570930/amp/

 

By the way M-103 passed and still no Sharia law despite conservative claims 

 

MPs pass M-103 Thursday even as new poll says most Canadians would vote down anti-Islamophobia motion

Older, less educated and Conservative voters would spike the anti-Islamophobia motion put forward by Liberal Iqra Khalid a new poll says.

Published Mar 23, 2017  •  Last updated Mar 23, 2017  •  4 minute read

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OTTAWA – The House of Commons voted Thursday afternoon to condemn “Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination” but the vote for the controversial M-103 was not unanimous.

Liberals, New Democrats, and Green Party MP Elizabeth May were in favour; most Conservative and all Bloc Quebecois MPs were opposed.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/mps-certain-to-pass-m-103-thursday-but-new-poll-says-canadians-would-vote-down-anti-islamophobia-motion
 

 

Beave, why keep posting these long diatribes when you always end up with egg on your boat race.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s a crime called murder and the snitch line for crimes is called 911.

LOL - i remember when I was young and stupid like you You'll get wiser and older like i did over time.  Well ... you'll get older anyway.

the idea was to prevent the murder.  Don't you think that's a better idea than letting people get murdered?

And the problem with 911 is that you can only call it when someone is in the process of being murdered. You can't really call it if you think someone is getting closer to being murdered.

And the problem with just calling a regular line is that what was happening is that a normal investigation tended to make it apparent who squealed and then that person would become a target within their family or their community and their lives would be at risk

So they wanted to set up a line that would be very specifically anonymous and which would allow police to set up investigations that were far more discreet. That way people could safely report dangerous situations BEFORE they led to murders.

this is no different than 'whistleblower' legislation.

 

Why would you think this is a bad thing?  Are you PRO murdering young women for dating men or something?

Edited June 19, 2023 by CdnFox

[I am Groot]

On 6/17/2023 at 2:17 PM, BeaverFever said:

This is a hilarious headline considering the for the past 20-30 years conservatives have LITERALLY been calling Muslims un-Canadian  and were completely consumed by anti-muslim hysteria.   Now this ridiculous op-ed states that because some Muslims are anti-fay/trans anyone who isnt must anti- Muslim 

I think what you mean to say is that for the past 20 odd years Conservatives have warned that importing large numbers of Muslims was going to lead to social trouble as they were very unlikely to integrate and drop their extreme religious social values. Is that not correct? And isn't this headline basically just showing evidence conservatives were right all along?

[I am Groot]

On 6/17/2023 at 11:44 PM, BeaverFever said:

Post examples of conservatives condemning Islam?  You mean like the the 10 million anti-Islamic posts on this site, or official conservative attacks like the “barbaric cultural practices snitch line”   Can I include Americans burning korans and Trumps lies about thousands of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in New Jersey? What about op-eds in conservatives outlets claiming “Islamophobia doesn’t exist?”

Wall of crap deleted unread. Surely you don't imagine a single person was willing go through all that drek, do you?

Conservatives have indeed had an issue with the importation of people from a culture with values inimical to our own and whose religion would prevent them from properly integrating. There's no doubt about that. Conservatives want to 'conserve' after all, and that means preserving much of our own values, traditions, institutions and culture. So of course, conservatives have always been unhappy about too-high numbers of such people entering the country.

But on the whole, the very term 'islamophobia' suggest an unreasoning and unreasonable fear whereas it's been repeatedly demonstrated that such concerns are not unreasonable. This very topic about the pushback from Muslims on gay pride ought to suggest to you there was and is some truth in the fears of conservatives. But instead, you seem to have simply used it to ignore everything other than your need to attack conserevatives. That suggest a degree of unhealthy obsession on your part.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Conservatives have indeed had an issue with the importation of people from a culture with values inimical to our own and whose religion would prevent them from properly integrating.

Could prevent them. That sort of thing is not written in stone. I’m sure there are better examples but three guys I see on my TV on a regular basis, Fareed Zakaria, Omar Sachedina and Ali Velshi, seem to have integrated into North America fairly well. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Sachedina

 

 

 

 

 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Could prevent them. That sort of thing is not written in stone. I’m sure there are better examples but three guys I see on my TV on a regular basis, Fareed Zakaria, Omar Sachedina and Ali Velshi, seem to have integrated into North America fairly well. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Sachedina

Okay, I will grant you that when I made the statement you quote I did not mean to suggest No Muslims could be integrated, but merely that it would be more difficult and time-consuming. I don't meant to interfere in religious stuff and am not particularly religious myself but I wish we could impose a law that all clerics must be Canadian born and raised. I think a lot of the nonsense that is being carried over is due to the importation of clerics from places like Saudi Arabia.

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Islam is a mixed bag. The Ismailis, Ahmadis and Sufis are not known for their violence or intolerance, while the Baha’i faith, a religion that arose out of Islam, puts the unity of all people at the heart of its beliefs. Compared to their European peers, the Ottomans were more tolerant of other faiths. These can be seen in part as attempts to come to terms with a diverse, urban environment where you simply can’t go all Old Testament on everyone who holds to another set of doctrines. The Jews learned that lesson under the Greeks and Romans. Some Muslims are still getting used to it.

The Ottoman genocide of the Armenians was a great example of tolerance and decency.

Wanna know what's even more ironic than your fantasy world where the Ottomans were known for their tolerance? There's a guy name Cenk Uygur who considers himself a huge liberal - he's extremely hostile towards conservatives - but his YouTube channel (or whatever it is) is called "The Young Turks", which is an homage to the group that led the genocide. Leftists don't care, they still think Cenk is a swell guy.  

[SpankyMcFarland]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Ottoman genocide of the Armenians was a great example of tolerance and decency.

Wanna know what's even more ironic than your fantasy world where the Ottomans were known for their tolerance? There's a guy name Cenk Uygur who considers himself a huge liberal - he's extremely hostile towards conservatives - but his YouTube channel (or whatever it is) is called "The Young Turks", which is an homage to the group that led the genocide. Leftists don't care, they still think Cenk is a swell guy.  

I’m talking way back, say in the 15’th and 16’th centuries, when the Jews were expelled from Spain. By the time WWI came along the Ottoman way of doing things was disintegrating. A lesser known genocide that occurred was on the other side of the imperial border where the Russians slaughtered Circassian Muslims during a century of war. 
 

We’ve an odd way in the West of showing our love for Armenia at the moment, abandoning it to the mercies of Turkey and Azerbaijan, largely because of Azeri oil. 

Edited June 20, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I think a lot of the nonsense that is being carried over is due to the importation of clerics from places like Saudi Arabia.

The Saudi and Pakistani governments have had a pernicious effect on Muslims worldwide. More moderate sects like the Ahmadis are in fear of their lives. 

https://www.newsweek.com/ahmadis-asad-shah-glasgow-shopkeeper-tanveer-ahmed-452569

 

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I’m talking way back, say in the 15’th and 16’th centuries, when the Jews were expelled from Spain. By the time WWI came along the Ottoman way of doing things was disintegrating. A lesser known genocide that occurred was on the other side of the imperial border where the Russians slaughtered Circassian Muslims during a century of war. 
 

We’ve an odd way in the West of showing our love for Armenia at the moment, abandoning it to the mercies of Turkey and Azerbaijan, largely because of Azeri oil. 

I doubt anyone knew or cared a whole lot back then. 

My only point here is that the people within a religion can be assumed to be admirers of it's God(s) and prophets, and admiring mohammed is not nearly the same as admiring Jesus or Buddha. It is the exact opposite.