West Virginia

[impartialobserver]

Well, obviously lower home prices and conservative politics do not lead to population gains or job gains in the case of West Virginia. The West Viriginia's of the west being Idaho and Montana have seen major population growth since the 1980's.. and yet WV is declining. Any thoughts as to why?

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/state-by-state/west-virginia-population-change-between-census-decade.html

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WVNA

 

 

 

[reason10]

On 6/15/2023 at 4:22 PM, impartialobserver said:

Well, obviously lower home prices and conservative politics do not lead to population gains or job gains in the case of West Virginia. The West Viriginia's of the west being Idaho and Montana have seen major population growth since the 1980's.. and yet WV is declining. Any thoughts as to why?

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/state-by-state/west-virginia-population-change-between-census-decade.html

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WVNA

 

 

 

Conservative politics? Are you high on meth?

UNIONS control West Virginia. They voted a Democrat Senator who was a Kleagle for the KKK.

West Virginia has a STATE INCOME TAX.

Have you ever been physically to West Virginia? My wife's family lives in CHARLESTON, which means I've spent a lot of time.

Mostly the terrain is mountains, and not a whole lot of land to build homes on. And not a whole lot of land to locate a bunch of manufacturing plants to create jobs. The weather there is oppressively cold in the winter and hot and muggy in the summer. The TWO cities in West Virginia are Huntington and Charleston. The rest of the towns are just small towns.

Right now, West Virginia has for the first time in history a Republican governor. And he seems to have the best record of any governor in history.

https://governor.wv.gov/News/press-releases/2022/Pages/Governor-Justice-West-Virginia-BREAKS-ALL-TIME-STATE-RECORD-for-revenue-collections-through-May.aspx

After inheriting a $500 million budget deficit, Gov. Justice has led the state to a string of consistent budget surpluses by using his lifelong experience as a businessman to make West Virginia a more business-friendly state and by standing behind the energy industry. A $253 million surplus in April 2022 alone marked the biggest single-month revenue surplus in state history.

At the same time, West Virginia has achieved record-low unemployment rates. The state’s seasonally adjusted unemployment rate decreased to 3.6% for April 2022, breaking the all-time record for the lowest unemployment rate recorded in West Virginia history for the 7th consecutive month.

People aren't going to move from the South to the mountains. Floridians ESPECIALLY aren't leaving this paradise to have to shovel snow and worry about driving off a cliff, even as West Virginia's new government has made improvements. And blue staters aren't going to a former blue state, one with a state income tax.  They're coming to Florida. We wish they wouldn't, because they are idi0ts. But they are.

West Virginia is a record of almost 90 years of idi0tic Democrat policies. It's going to take longer than a couple of Republican administrations to fix what's wrong with this state.
 

 

[Nationalist]

@reason10 Huh...ya put that one to bed quickly.

[impartialobserver]

On 6/18/2023 at 10:01 AM, reason10 said:

Conservative politics? Are you high on meth?

UNIONS control West Virginia. They voted a Democrat Senator who was a Kleagle for the KKK.

West Virginia has a STATE INCOME TAX.

Have you ever been physically to West Virginia? My wife's family lives in CHARLESTON, which means I've spent a lot of time.

Mostly the terrain is mountains, and not a whole lot of land to build homes on. And not a whole lot of land to locate a bunch of manufacturing plants to create jobs. The weather there is oppressively cold in the winter and hot and muggy in the summer. The TWO cities in West Virginia are Huntington and Charleston. The rest of the towns are just small towns.

Right now, West Virginia has for the first time in history a Republican governor. And he seems to have the best record of any governor in history.

https://governor.wv.gov/News/press-releases/2022/Pages/Governor-Justice-West-Virginia-BREAKS-ALL-TIME-STATE-RECORD-for-revenue-collections-through-May.aspx

After inheriting a $500 million budget deficit, Gov. Justice has led the state to a string of consistent budget surpluses by using his lifelong experience as a businessman to make West Virginia a more business-friendly state and by standing behind the energy industry. A $253 million surplus in April 2022 alone marked the biggest single-month revenue surplus in state history.

At the same time, West Virginia has achieved record-low unemployment rates. The state’s seasonally adjusted unemployment rate decreased to 3.6% for April 2022, breaking the all-time record for the lowest unemployment rate recorded in West Virginia history for the 7th consecutive month.

People aren't going to move from the South to the mountains. Floridians ESPECIALLY aren't leaving this paradise to have to shovel snow and worry about driving off a cliff, even as West Virginia's new government has made improvements. And blue staters aren't going to a former blue state, one with a state income tax.  They're coming to Florida. We wish they wouldn't, because they are idi0ts. But they are.

West Virginia is a record of almost 90 years of idi0tic Democrat policies. It's going to take longer than a couple of Republican administrations to fix what's wrong with this state.
 

 

Guess what... ID, NV, UT, and MT have way more mountains than WV and yet those states have seen sustained population growth since the 1980's. Thousands have moved to these places and learned to deal with the very mountainous terrain along with deserts, relative isolation, and colder temps (in the case of MT). What is your explanation as to why they would move away from the Midwest, Phoenix AZ, and SoCal for this? 

Second, if you look at the last few elections.. has the state voted Republican? Yes, overwhelmingly. 

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/west-virginia/

 

Last one.. they are losing population unlike states that have even more oppressive climates. Obviously, there is more to this story. The reason that folks started moving to my home state, Idaho, starting in the mid-80's was low housing cost and open land. WV's home prices are the lowest in the nation and yet no wealthy to do folks from NY, PA, MA, MD, DC.. are willing to buy cheap real estate in WV.. there has to be a reason. 

[reason10]

5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Guess what... ID, NV, UT, and MT have way more mountains than WV and yet those states have seen sustained population growth since the 1980's. Thousands have moved to these places and learned to deal with the very mountainous terrain along with deserts, relative isolation, and colder temps (in the case of MT). What is your explanation as to why they would move away from the Midwest, Phoenix AZ, and SoCal for this? 

Second, if you look at the last few elections.. has the state voted Republican? Yes, overwhelmingly. 

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/west-virginia/

 

Last one.. they are losing population unlike states that have even more oppressive climates. Obviously, there is more to this story. The reason that folks started moving to my home state, Idaho, starting in the mid-80's was low housing cost and open land. WV's home prices are the lowest in the nation and yet no wealthy to do folks from NY, PA, MA, MD, DC.. are willing to buy cheap real estate in WV.. there has to be a reason. 

I take it you've never (a) actually seen the state of West Virginia on a map or (b) physically been to the state of West Virginia.  You are comparing it to much LARGER states, ones with a lot more open spaces.

I haven't commented on people moving away from the Midwest or Phoenix AZ. I mention SoCal because that shithole state has the worst economy in the country, the worst schools, the HIGHEST population of homeless, the smallest (if at all) middle class, the HIGHEST TAXES and the worst VIOLENT CRIME. I wish the ignorant retards who voted California into Venezuela status would stay the fck there and put up with it, but those idi0ts will just move to red states and vote for the same shithole conditions.

[impartialobserver]

10 minutes ago, reason10 said:

I take it you've never (a) actually seen the state of West Virginia on a map or (b) physically been to the state of West Virginia.  You are comparing it to much LARGER states, ones with a lot more open spaces.

I haven't commented on people moving away from the Midwest or Phoenix AZ. I mention SoCal because that shithole state has the worst economy in the country, the worst schools, the HIGHEST population of homeless, the smallest (if at all) middle class, the HIGHEST TAXES and the worst VIOLENT CRIME. I wish the ignorant retards who voted California into Venezuela status would stay the fck there and put up with it, but those idi0ts will just move to red states and vote for the same shithole conditions.

"Mostly the terrain is mountains, and not a whole lot of land to build homes on."

Did you write this? If so, you are saying that mountainous terrain is the primary deterrent to folks moving to WV? If that is so.. why do they move to NV (https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022/01/15/the-most-mountainous-state-in-the-u-s-may-surprise-you/) and ID which is almost as unfavorable in the terrain. Oh.. and get this.. Idaho has a state income tax and percentage-wise is the second fastest growing state in America since 2010 (link below). Did you notice that UT, NV, and ND are also on this list.. If cold is a deterrent than how do you explain ND seeing population growth? 

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/fastest-growing-states

 

[reason10]

On 6/20/2023 at 12:19 PM, impartialobserver said:

"Mostly the terrain is mountains, and not a whole lot of land to build homes on."

Did you write this? If so, you are saying that mountainous terrain is the primary deterrent to folks moving to WV? If that is so.. why do they move to NV (https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022/01/15/the-most-mountainous-state-in-the-u-s-may-surprise-you/) and ID which is almost as unfavorable in the terrain. Oh.. and get this.. Idaho has a state income tax and percentage-wise is the second fastest growing state in America since 2010 (link below). Did you notice that UT, NV, and ND are also on this list.. If cold is a deterrent than how do you explain ND seeing population growth? 

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/fastest-growing-states

 

Idaho is faster growing than Florida? In WHAT left wing parallel universe?

Nevada is almost a different PLANET from West Virginia. The Rockies are totally different from the Appalachians.

If North Dakota is experiencing population growth, maybe it has something to do with the oil industry and all the high paying JOBS up there, (after Democrat presidents sent all the high paying manufacturing jobs to the far east). I would say people move to ND for work.

[herbie]

A state with zero to offer and dotard blames it on the unions....

[reason10]

8 hours ago, herbie said:

A state with zero to offer and dotard blames it on the unions....

Unions, DemoNazis, bad management, lousy terrain, etc.

Unions mean the cost of living is ALWAYS HIGHER.

Grow a brain, ret@rd.

Edited June 22, 2023 by reason10

[impartialobserver]

18 hours ago, reason10 said:

Idaho is faster growing than Florida? In WHAT left wing parallel universe?

Did you see that link? if you were not so much about being passionate and more rational.. you would notice that is on a PERCENTAGE basis not absolute.. Do you need a demonstration or do you want to continue to look dumb?

Also, is the Sierra Nevadas and Ruby Mountains in Nevada.. the Rockies are a bit to the east. 

Yes, they are moving to ND for two things.... Oil and cheap real estate (in the eastern part of the state). However, apparently the climate is not stopping them. 

As for WV.. it is simply interesting. Cheap real estate, low crime, and open space has led to ID, NV, UT, MT, ND, and SD seeing population growth. The younger crowd in these states is not leaving and never coming back. In WV, only 6% of the 16-24 age crowd that leaves ever comes back. How do we know? The Drivers license surrender database as of 1994. If a state is so great but offers no jobs.. folks come back home once they have their financial feet under them. So where are they going? Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, and then Florida in that order. 

[reason10]

9 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Did you see that link? if you were not so much about being passionate and more rational.. you would notice that is on a PERCENTAGE basis not absolute.. Do you need a demonstration or do you want to continue to look dumb?

Also, is the Sierra Nevadas and Ruby Mountains in Nevada.. the Rockies are a bit to the east. 

Yes, they are moving to ND for two things.... Oil and cheap real estate (in the eastern part of the state). However, apparently the climate is not stopping them. 

As for WV.. it is simply interesting. Cheap real estate, low crime, and open space has led to ID, NV, UT, MT, ND, and SD seeing population growth. The younger crowd in these states is not leaving and never coming back. In WV, only 6% of the 16-24 age crowd that leaves ever comes back. How do we know? The Drivers license surrender database as of 1994. If a state is so great but offers no jobs.. folks come back home once they have their financial feet under them. So where are they going? Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, and then Florida in that order. 

I could get a lobotomy and I would be as dumb as the goose stepping liberals here.

I did a lot of traveling from the early 70s to the mid 80s. I've been to blue states where even in 75 people were wanting to move out of those high cost freezing hell holes. EVERY state I've been to where they had a large union presence has had a higher cost of living.

I can tell you've never been to West Virginia and never seen what makes that place such a shithole. Our current unelected Pedophile has waged a war on the coal industry, which pretty much was the lifeblood of West Virginia. So a massive sector of the economy is in danger of being shut down, and you think folks will want to move to that place, where there are few jobs, lousy infrastructure, a high cost of living?

 

[impartialobserver]

20 minutes ago, reason10 said:

I could get a lobotomy and I would be as dumb as the goose stepping liberals here.

I did a lot of traveling from the early 70s to the mid 80s. I've been to blue states where even in 75 people were wanting to move out of those high cost freezing hell holes. EVERY state I've been to where they had a large union presence has had a higher cost of living.

I can tell you've never been to West Virginia and never seen what makes that place such a shithole. Our current unelected Pedophile has waged a war on the coal industry, which pretty much was the lifeblood of West Virginia. So a massive sector of the economy is in danger of being shut down, and you think folks will want to move to that place, where there are few jobs, lousy infrastructure, a high cost of living?

 

Except that as a state. WV has the lowest home prices in America. Home prices are a huge part of cost of living. Also (second link).. they are about middle of the road when it comes to taxes. lastly, their utilities are not all that expensive in comparison to others (third link)... So how is their cost of living so expensive? Also, this decline in population predates Biden's term by a decade or so. 


https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/features/states-with-lowest-home-prices/
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-highest-lowest-tax-burden/20494
https://www.aarp.org/money/investing/info-2023/average-utility-costs-ranked-by-state.html

My guess is that you declare every place/state is not Florida a shithole. You would have said the same thing about my home town, Boise, in the 70's and 80's when it was largely a sleepy western town with most employment tied to ranching/farming and government. 

Edited June 22, 2023 by impartialobserver

[reason10]

3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Except that as a state. WV has the lowest home prices in America. Home prices are a huge part of cost of living. Also (second link).. they are about middle of the road when it comes to taxes. lastly, their utilities are not all that expensive in comparison to others (third link)... So how is their cost of living so expensive? Also, this decline in population predates Biden's term by a decade or so. 


https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/features/states-with-lowest-home-prices/
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-highest-lowest-tax-burden/20494
https://www.aarp.org/money/investing/info-2023/average-utility-costs-ranked-by-state.html

My guess is that you declare every place/state is not Florida a shithole. You would have said the same thing about my home town, Boise, in the 70's and 80's when it was largely a sleepy western town with most employment tied to ranching/farming and government. 

You've obviously never been anywhere. This shows how all your knowledge is gleaned from online sources. I'VE BEEN TO WEST VIRGINIA. I have family there.

I don't believe every place not Florida is a shithole. And there are parts of Florida that are shitholes as well. (Blue areas, like Broward and Orange counties.If you think Boise was a sleepy ranch and farming town, you've never heard of pre-Disney Orlando, which was mostly cattle ranches and orange groves. Today, people are thinking that Orlando wants to resemble Los Angeles, in terms of congestion, traffic, ZERO MIDDLE CLASS, and a bunch of brain dead politicians running it.

I don't believe Tennessee is a shithole. I don't believe Texas is a shithole. I don't believe Alabama is a shithole. Ditto with Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Iowa, and the smaller towns in Virginia.

Most of Pennsylvania is FARMER BROWN country, but those rubes managed to elect a total REt@rd to the Senate, one who can't even string proper sentences together.

I kinda like Ohio, but it's way too expensive to live and the weather there is  pretty harsh.

Thing is, most of the country is moving to Florida, probably because of our sensible government, low taxes, beautiful weather and superior educated population.

Edited June 22, 2023 by reason10

[impartialobserver]

8 minutes ago, reason10 said:

You've obviously never been anywhere. This shows how all your knowledge is gleaned from online sources. I'VE BEEN TO WEST VIRGINIA. I have family there.

I don't believe every place not Florida is a shithole. And there are parts of Florida that are shitholes as well. (Blue areas, like Broward and Orange counties.If you think Boise was a sleepy ranch and farming town, you've never heard of pre-Disney Orlando, which was mostly cattle ranches and orange groves. Today, people are thinking that Orlando wants to resemble Los Angeles, in terms of congestion, traffic, ZERO MIDDLE CLASS, and a bunch of brain dead politicians running it.

I don't believe Tennessee is a shithole. I don't believe Texas is a shithole. I don't believe Alabama is a shithole. Ditto with Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Iowa, and the smaller towns in Virginia.

Most of Pennsylvania is FARMER BROWN country, but those rubes managed to elect a total REt@rd to the Senate, one who can't even string proper sentences together.

I kinda like Ohio, but it's way too expensive to live and the weather there is  pretty harsh.

Thing is, most of the country is moving to Florida, probably because of our sensible government, low taxes, beautiful weather and superior educated population.

Been to 98% of the places west of Denver even the most remote parts of Idaho, Nevada, Montana, Utah, oregon, and Wyoming.  Places that you have not and never will. No, I have not been to West Virginia. I have nothing against the state or those who live in it. It is just somewhat of a quandary how a state with a low cost of living and low cost of housing can have population declines with no real end in sight. The young are leaving and not coming back. Deaths exceed births so that tells you that families are largely avoiding this place. Lastly, they have no in-migration even when their housing prices are 50% or less than that of PA, NY, MA, MD, or DC. 

Boise was a sleepy little farm town and within 20 minutes in every direction but west.. you were in the middle of nowhere. To the east... the next civilized outpost was 129 miles away. If you traveled north, you encountered the next town of size 1.5 hours away. Lastly, If you went northeast you came to Salmon, idaho at 7 hours. There is no traveling due south of town.. its no mans land. no roads, no trails, no abandoned homes, no ranches... nothing. 

[impartialobserver]

If you look at WV's jobs data (QCEW not CES).. it is not all that uplifting. They started seeing slackening job growth in 2008... 12 years before Biden. the southern counties are particularly emptying out. They have houses that were on the market for a decade and the price went down to 40K and the banks simply gave up and had them demolished. What is so unsavory about a place that someone is not willing to spend 40K on a house but yet will spend 10 to 20 times that amount just a state away?

[NYLefty]

I love the terrain in WV. Beautiful state, mountain ranges, nature. But when you come to a town/village all you see is dirt, closed down shuttered businesses. The people really aren't that bad but there seems to be an inherent laziness that permeates the region. Ever since coal companies were done raping the land in WV it's never been the same.

[impartialobserver]

8 hours ago, NYLefty said:

I love the terrain in WV. Beautiful state, mountain ranges, nature. But when you come to a town/village all you see is dirt, closed down shuttered businesses. The people really aren't that bad but there seems to be an inherent laziness that permeates the region. Ever since coal companies were done raping the land in WV it's never been the same.

Idaho in the early 80's was no mans land and much like how you describe West Virginia. Well, mid-80's come along and the game changed. HP put its headquarters in West Boise, CA retirees could move somewhere and not pay CA state income tax, and the population growth began. Why do you think that even with dirt cheap housing that folks from high cost states such as PA, NY, MD, CT, and MA do not move there? They came to Idaho which is even more remote than WV

[NYLefty]

3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Idaho in the early 80's was no mans land and much like how you describe West Virginia. Well, mid-80's come along and the game changed. HP put its headquarters in West Boise, CA retirees could move somewhere and not pay CA state income tax, and the population growth began. Why do you think that even with dirt cheap housing that folks from high cost states such as PA, NY, MD, CT, and MA do not move there? They came to Idaho which is even more remote than WV

I'm from NY and in all my 67 years I've never ever heard of anyone moving to Idaho?

[impartialobserver]

1 hour ago, NYLefty said:

I'm from NY and in all my 67 years I've never ever heard of anyone moving to Idaho?

Well, they rarely move from NY to ID.. they come from So Cal, Phoenix, or Portland OR. My hometown, Boise, had an MSA population of 115K in 1985 and is coming close to 800K. It is not all people being born. 

[herbie]

On 6/22/2023 at 5:15 AM, reason10 said:

Unions mean the cost of living is ALWAYS HIGHER.

Nothing more stupid than a man who works for a living and isn't upper management to hate unions.
Nothing. Not on the whole planet.

And if the cost of living is higher where you live, it makes you even stupider.

[impartialobserver]

cost of living being higher because of unions is very hard to prove. 

[Aristides]

My province is the most mountainous in Canada, the only part that isn't mountains is the north east corner. It also has the highest cost of living and highest home prices in the country.

[herbie]

In the southwest corner that is, the NW corner housing is much cheaper, food a little higher and gasoline much cheaper. But as a whole, it's huge area here so the economy is way more diversified. Oil, LNG, lumber, grain, cattle, mining, tech and commercial, fruit in the south and yes way more coal than WV, for steel and totally for export - therefore never a reliable pinion of the economy.
And the most unionized workforce in Canada.

The place where the 'free enterprise' party nationalized the ferries, the hydro and more long ago and brought in the first carbon tax 10 years before Canada did. No coal or oil fired power plants, LNG powered ones been on on standby for years. EVs are 20% of car sales, not because we're weirdo environuts, because they make common sense. 2/3 of the population can use those every day and save money.

Maybe that explains why some of us can't see the whining of sticking to whatever ideology and ranting when things have, can and are being done and the population is growing not running away from phoney fear mongering.

 

[impartialobserver]

To myself... the most alarming aspect of WV is the the younger population leaves and almost never comes back. In the West.. the kids leave small town Nevada, Idaho, etc but after awhile they come back once they have something built up. In WV.. they leave and stay away. Even when their cost of living would decrease substantially.. they still opt to not be in WV. At last count.. only 4% of the 16-24 age bracket since 1992 comes back. You get this info from the Drivers License surrender database.