Witch hunt on President Trump not the slam dunk case the Nazis think

[reason10]

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trumps-indictment-slam-dunk-case-liberal-media-believes

Trump's indictment is not the slam dunk case liberal media believes it is

Trump’s principal defense rests with the Presidential Records Act (PRA).  It is not "farcical" as former Attorney General William Barr claims.  It was a law passed by Congress in 1978 that granted an exclusive right of former presidents to maintain custody and control of presidential papers accrued during their terms in office.  Arguably, it includes classified documents.  

It is a fundamental precept of law that specific statutes prevail over general statutes. The PRA is a specially crafted law that applies to a narrow group of people. That is, presidents. By contrast, the Espionage Act enacted in 1917 is a general statute that applies broadly to all citizens. Hence, the defense will argue that PRA takes precedence over the Espionage Act, which accounts for most of the charges against Trump.  

The FBI did not raid Bill Clinton’s home to reclaim classified material. Nor did the agency raid the same home when his wife, Hillary, stored more than a hundred classified documents on her personal server as Secretary of State. Notably, she did not have the protection of the Presidential Records Act.  But it seems that abusive raids and inflated indictments only happen to Republicans. The new litmus test for prosecution is party affiliation not fidelity to the law.      

Trump’s defense team will aver that unequal application of the law and selective prosecution are a violation of their client’s due process rights. These rights are based on principles of fundamental fairness guaranteed by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.  This will likely be the subject of another pre-trial motion to dismiss the case. After all, "Equal Justice Under Law" should be more than mere words chiseled on the pediment of the U.S. Supreme Court.  

 

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[robosmith]

No, classified documents are never controlled by an ex-POTUS and are not mentioned in the Presidential Records Act.

It does however say that:

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§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

AKA, you've been DUPED AGAIN. LMAO.

[Rebound]

16 minutes ago, reason10 said:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trumps-indictment-slam-dunk-case-liberal-media-believes

Trump's indictment is not the slam dunk case liberal media believes it is

Trump’s principal defense rests with the Presidential Records Act (PRA).  It is not "farcical" as former Attorney General William Barr claims.  It was a law passed by Congress in 1978 that granted an exclusive right of former presidents to maintain custody and control of presidential papers accrued during their terms in office.  Arguably, it includes classified documents.  

It is a fundamental precept of law that specific statutes prevail over general statutes. The PRA is a specially crafted law that applies to a narrow group of people. That is, presidents. By contrast, the Espionage Act enacted in 1917 is a general statute that applies broadly to all citizens. Hence, the defense will argue that PRA takes precedence over the Espionage Act, which accounts for most of the charges against Trump.  

The FBI did not raid Bill Clinton’s home to reclaim classified material. Nor did the agency raid the same home when his wife, Hillary, stored more than a hundred classified documents on her personal server as Secretary of State. Notably, she did not have the protection of the Presidential Records Act.  But it seems that abusive raids and inflated indictments only happen to Republicans. The new litmus test for prosecution is party affiliation not fidelity to the law.      

Trump’s defense team will aver that unequal application of the law and selective prosecution are a violation of their client’s due process rights. These rights are based on principles of fundamental fairness guaranteed by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.  This will likely be the subject of another pre-trial motion to dismiss the case. After all, "Equal Justice Under Law" should be more than mere words chiseled on the pediment of the U.S. Supreme Court.  

 

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Dude, READ THE LAW ITSELF. Fox News is lying to you. Can you read? Have you ever taken a law class? 
Read the Presidential Records Act. It states clearly that ALL Presidential Records belong to the US government. 
 

Answer This:  Are you now upset that Fox “News” has deliberately lied to you? Or are you just going to go along with the lies? 

Edited June 15, 2023 by Rebound

[robosmith]

Trump’s Indictment Is Worse Than You Think It Is

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The indictment can be found here. Come and see. Come one, come all, and read it. The text is lucid, the case is made with a minimum of jargon, and it hits like multiple icepick blows to the skull.

Do not willingly keep yourself ignorant of its enormity because you would prefer to huddle in a tortoise-shell defensive crouch. There aren’t merely claims, there are evidentiary submissions, including remarkable photographs and excerpts of recorded conversations.

Trump is nailed dead to rights, and what matters most of all is that it’s not on some technical offense. What he was doing, before only a physical raid on Mar-a-Lago stopped this madness, turns out to have been less an act of mere carelessness than an active threat to United States national security, one fueled solely by Trump’s demented behavior and sense of self-entitlement. 

[Guest]

It does appear as though Trump held on to those documents in some juvenile attempt to retain a sense of importance after he was tossed from the White House.  The possible consequences just don't seem to have occurred to him.

[robosmith]

30 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

It does appear as though Trump held on to those documents in some juvenile attempt to retain a sense of importance after he was tossed from the White House.  The possible consequences just don't seem to have occurred to him.

He knew he could play the victim and the MAGA rubes would send him piles of cash. That's all he ever wants from his scams.

[reason10]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

Dude, READ THE LAW ITSELF. Fox News is lying to you. Can you read? Have you ever taken a law class? 
Read the Presidential Records Act. It states clearly that ALL Presidential Records belong to the US government. 
 

Answer This:  Are you now upset that Fox “News” has deliberately lied to you? Or are you just going to go along with the lies? 

I read the law, YOU FCKING MOR0N.

Fox doesn't lie. CNN lies. PMSNBC lies. Fox doesn't. You're just too STUPID to handle the truth.

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

No, classified documents are never controlled by an ex-POTUS and are not mentioned in the Presidential Records Act.

It does however say that:

AKA, you've been DUPED AGAIN. LMAO.

The only duped I've been is having to pay taxes so you liberal Nazis can live on welfare checks.

[reason10]

3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

It does appear as though Trump held on to those documents in some juvenile attempt to retain a sense of importance after he was tossed from the White House.  The possible consequences just don't seem to have occurred to him.

Why did HItlary hold on to her files? Why did KKKlinton? Are you Nazis so STUPID as to think LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP  was the only one with files?

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

It does appear as though Trump held on to those documents in some juvenile attempt to retain a sense of importance after he was tossed from the White House.  The possible consequences just don't seem to have occurred to him.

This is the kick in the teeth -  he had them long enough, he could have scanned them and kept electronic records and sent back the originals and that would nullify the vast majority of these accusations. the serious ones are not that he took or retained the files but that he KNOWINGLY refused to return them, not just forgot about them or something.

It just doesn't make sense.

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Why did HItlary hold on to her files? Why did KKKlinton? Are you Nazis so STUPID as to think LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP  was the only one with files?

It's true but in those cases it was argued that they had them legitimately and just forgot they had them. (in biden's case that's extremely believable )

The challenge for trump is they have him on tape discussing them and how to avoid returning them, and that runs him afoul of a few laws.

Having said that - there are paths to a not guilty verdict for him. There's reason to believe the tape may be inadmissiable,  there's a decent chance the warrant was not correctly done. There are other technical issues the case may fall apart on as well.

In the court of  the public, without a doubt there is the appearance of a double standard which he will argue means he's done nothing that everyone else hasn't especially hillary. And that will sell fairly well i think. Bet he regrets not going after her now.

[reason10]

42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's true but in those cases it was argued that they had them legitimately and just forgot they had them. (in biden's case that's extremely believable )

The challenge for trump is they have him on tape discussing them and how to avoid returning them, and that runs him afoul of a few laws.

Having said that - there are paths to a not guilty verdict for him. There's reason to believe the tape may be inadmissiable,  there's a decent chance the warrant was not correctly done. There are other technical issues the case may fall apart on as well.

In the court of  the public, without a doubt there is the appearance of a double standard which he will argue means he's done nothing that everyone else hasn't especially hillary. And that will sell fairly well i think. Bet he regrets not going after her now.

Thing is, what he did is NOT against the law. I've read the statute. Just like the NAZIS illegally impeached him for offenses that are NOT against the law, the Nazis are STILL going after him, whatever it takes, to keep him from running and getting elected.

[Deluge]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

No, classified documents are never controlled by an ex-POTUS and are not mentioned in the Presidential Records Act.

It does however say that:

AKA, you've been DUPED AGAIN. LMAO.

I don't know why you're getting so worked up. Both Clintons, Bush, Obama and Pence all took home classified docs too - it's the cool thing to do unless you're Donald Trump. What a bunch of f*cking hypocrites. 

The point is, Trump will be able to push these bullshit cases out until after the election and that means you perverts are going to have to huddle like filthy rats and figure out how to rig another election. lol

See you on the campaign trail!

 

Edited June 16, 2023 by Deluge

[West]

Very true. Leftists who try to lock up their chief political rivals are exactly like the nazis of old 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

Thing is, what he did is NOT against the law. I've read the statute. Just like the NAZIS illegally impeached him for offenses that are NOT against the law, the Nazis are STILL going after him, whatever it takes, to keep him from running and getting elected.

The law is meaningless. The INTERPRETATION of the law is everything   And that will be the judge doing that, for right or wrong.

There can be no doubt however that the dems are pushing this despite the fact every one of their people did the same thing and in fact biden got caught at it too just recently.  And thats going to stick in the craw of a lot of people whether they think it's a breech of the law or not. IF it's such a breech - why'd the others all get away with it.

I can tell you this - they've probably opened up a hell of a can of worms.  Expect every dem president from now on to be investigated up the wazzooo and charged whenever possible.  Trump dropped the hillary thing after this 'mutual destruction' thing was explained to him but you can bet if he gets in he'll be looking to charge biden faster than a tesla.

 

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, reason10 said:

I read the law, YOU FCKING MOR0N.

Fox doesn't lie. CNN lies. PMSNBC lies. Fox doesn't. You're just too STUPID to handle the truth.

The only duped I've been is having to pay taxes so you liberal Nazis can live on welfare checks.

You can fix that by MOVING OUT ANYTIME YOU WANT. Please say BYE BYE and get out. 

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, reason10 said:

Why did HItlary hold on to her files? Why did KKKlinton? Are you Nazis so STUPID as to think LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP  was the only one with files?

They DID NOT, lDIOT! Hillary's emails were NOT MARKED classified when SENT TO HER.

You have NO IDEA how the NIPRNet and SIPRNet work IF you even know what they are. LMAO

Here's a clue for you: the only way that actual classified (at the time) documents could be sent to Hillary's server is by someone purposely copy and pasting them from the SIPRNet server. Anyone who did that was THE GUILTY PARTY.

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

This is the kick in the teeth -  he had them long enough, he could have scanned them and kept electronic records and sent back the originals and that would nullify the vast majority of these accusations. the serious ones are not that he took or retained the files but that he KNOWINGLY refused to return them, not just forgot about them or something.

It just doesn't make sense.

Copying them to keep them is just as illegal as keeping the originals. Duh.

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's true but in those cases it was argued that they had them legitimately and just forgot they had them. (in biden's case that's extremely believable )

The challenge for trump is they have him on tape discussing them and how to avoid returning them, and that runs him afoul of a few laws.

Having said that - there are paths to a not guilty verdict for him. There's reason to believe the tape may be inadmissiable,  there's a decent chance the warrant was not correctly done. There are other technical issues the case may fall apart on as well.

In the court of  the public, without a doubt there is the appearance of a double standard which he will argue means he's done nothing that everyone else hasn't especially hillary. And that will sell fairly well i think. Bet he regrets not going after her now.

Biden's boxes were NOT PACKED by him and he very likely never even look inside them.

The key difference is he RETURNED THEM ON DISCOVERY. Duh.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, reason10 said:

Thing is, what he did is NOT against the law. I've read the statute. Just like the NAZIS illegally impeached him for offenses that are NOT against the law, the Nazis are STILL going after him, whatever it takes, to keep him from running and getting elected.

Sure. Cause you know the law better than the DoJ prosecutors AND ex-Trump AG Bill Barr. You truly are an lDIOT. LMAO

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

I don't know why you're getting so worked up. Both Clintons, Bush, Obama and Pence all took home classified docs too - it's the cool thing to do unless you're Donald Trump. What a bunch of f*cking hypocrites. 

The point is, Trump will be able to push these bullshit cases out until after the election and that means you perverts are going to have to huddle like filthy rats and figure out how to rig another election. lol

See you on the campaign trail!

 

It's NEVER "cool," but it happens. The clearly ILLEGAL thing is keeping them after discovering their inadvertent retention,

Trump crossed the line when HE REFUSED. Duh

How many times do you have to be told before YOU STOP TROLLING THIS?

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, West said:

Very true. Leftists who try to lock up their chief political rivals are exactly like the nazis of old 

Very false. ANYONE who PURPOSELY REFUSES TO RETURN documents THEY STOLE are jeopardizing NATIONAL SECURITY; about which you don't care, cause you are just a PARTISAN HACK. 

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The law is meaningless. The INTERPRETATION of the law is everything   And that will be the judge doing that, for right or wrong.

There can be no doubt however that the dems are pushing this despite the fact every one of their people did the same thing and in fact biden got caught at it too just recently.  And thats going to stick in the craw of a lot of people whether they think it's a breech of the law or not. IF it's such a breech - why'd the others all get away with it.

I can tell you this - they've probably opened up a hell of a can of worms.  Expect every dem president from now on to be investigated up the wazzooo and charged whenever possible.  Trump dropped the hillary thing after this 'mutual destruction' thing was explained to him but you can bet if he gets in he'll be looking to charge biden faster than a tesla.

 

STOP LYING. Giving documents back after discovery IS NOT "the same thing" that Trump did, you lDIOT.

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Copying them to keep them is just as illegal as keeping the originals. Duh.

 But if you return the originals they have no grounds for a search warrant. And the prosecution is claiming there IS a difference and that's why hillary didn't get dinged.  Duh

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Biden's boxes were NOT PACKED by him and he very likely never even look inside them.

what you think he just had them stashed with his corvette for the pleasure the packaging gave him? I know you're stupid kid but c'mon, even YOU aren't that stupid.

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The key difference is he RETURNED THEM ON DISCOVERY. Duh.

You mean when he got caught.  Yeah - i suppose    Not sure how that's better.  Hillary didn't.

[Rebound]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The law is meaningless. The INTERPRETATION of the law is everything   And that will be the judge doing that, for right or wrong.

There can be no doubt however that the dems are pushing this despite the fact every one of their people did the same thing and in fact biden got caught at it too just recently.  And thats going to stick in the craw of a lot of people whether they think it's a breech of the law or not. IF it's such a breech - why'd the others all get away with it.

I can tell you this - they've probably opened up a hell of a can of worms.  Expect every dem president from now on to be investigated up the wazzooo and charged whenever possible.  Trump dropped the hillary thing after this 'mutual destruction' thing was explained to him but you can bet if he gets in he'll be looking to charge biden faster than a tesla.

 

Every Dem President is already investigated up the Wazoo.  Ever heard of Whitewater? That was very Wazoolical.  
 

With Obama they went after his birth certificate, of all stupid things. Because unemployed, pregnant 19 year-olds usually fly from Hawaii to Kenya, give birth, then jet back to Hawaii and somehow fool the media and state officials that the unemployed 19 year-old stayed in Hawaii and gave birth there, as part of a plot to ensure their son could be President. Yup. 

[NYLefty]

I have the OP blocked because like most here mindless drivel is just not for me. But I can't block his thread titles from popping out like a ripe turd from a pigs bunghole.

So my question is witch which or which witch, witch hunt is he referring to ? I mean there's just so many. Sharks feeding on a Beluga??

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

STOP LYING. Giving documents back after discovery IS NOT "the same thing" that Trump did, you lDIOT.

You have NO proof and NO KnOwLeDgE.  Pretty much exactly the same thing.  And you know it.

And you know that hillary  is basically identical to trump, except she illegally had the documents in the first place - not supposed to use a private email server for classified use.

Why do you have to LIE about what the dems did? 

[Rebound]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You have NO proof and NO KnOwLeDgE.  Pretty much exactly the same thing.  And you know it.

And you know that hillary  is basically identical to trump, except she illegally had the documents in the first place - not supposed to use a private email server for classified use.

Why do you have to LIE about what the dems did? 

We do have proof and knowledge: It’s called US Federal Law, which states that a conviction require knowledge and intent. 
 

Here’s what you do not understand: Nobody goes to jail because they did something wrong. People go to jail for breaking laws. Prosecutors don’t stand beside judges and say, “This person did a bad thing.” The prosecutor has to stand before a judge, state the specific law which was broken, and provide the lawfully obtained evidence to prove it.  
 

Donald Trump promised to prosecute Hillary Clinton, but he did not have evidence which could prove that a U.S. Federal Law was violated, because she did not knowingly and intentionally retain classified material. She mishandled it while in office, but this was not sufficient to prosecute.