Hitler and Liberals. (One and the same)

[reason10]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

All powerful dictator makes it FASCIST, per the definition POSTED, your fantasy notwithstanding. Duh.

It was BELIEF, NOT "think." LMAO

Sieg Heil, Fraulein.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

The Nazis also overcame their minority position with the backing of the right-wing antisemitic German National People's Party.

 ...conservatives...they sure know how to pick a winner.

Yeah - not like those left wingers (stalin. mao, Maduro, castro etc)

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, West said:

The Nazis were SOCIALIST. 

Socialism has always brought death. 

These are FACTS 

So why did a conservative right-wing party form a coalition with them?

To get to the other side of the road?

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

So why did a conservative right-wing party form a coalition with them?

To get to the other side of the road?

To keep the communists out.  Both groups hated the communists. 

[eyeball]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Yeah - not like those left wingers (stalin. mao, Maduro, castro etc)

No, these are cleary right wing according to the original definition of the term and their fundamental interest in distribution of power, to themselves of course.

Conservatives saw a winner in Hitler which is why they followed him.  It was probably them who gave the Nazis such a bad name.

[CdnFox]

56 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No, the left isn't clamoring for reparations like they are for American blacks. Considering the slaughter whitey unloaded on those people, they should be getting a lot more than just a name change on a professional football team. 

Meh - they lost a war, that's different. You lose you live with it.

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, these are cleary right wing according to the original definition of the term and their fundamental interest in distribution of power, to themselves of course.

Conservatives saw a winner in Hitler which is why they followed him.  It was probably them who gave the Nazis such a bad name.

ROFLMAO - oh absolutely - to the deluded left

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Meh - they lost a war, that's different. You lose you live with it.

ROFLMAO - oh absolutely - to the deluded left

Nope, the left is interested in the equitable distribution of wealth where the right is more concerned about the unequal distribution of power. That's what the original definers of the terms right and left wing intended them to describe - the placement of a small number of wealthy influential elites to the right of the monarch and the much greater number off ordinary which is to say far less powerful people to the left.

It's no different in Communist systems, they have a small favoured elite that is much better positioned far more closely to power than the far greater number of ordinary people are.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

The Nazis also overcame their minority position with the backing of the right-wing antisemitic German National People's Party.

 ...conservatives...they sure know how to pick a winner.

No! No! They called themselves the National People's Party therefore they must have been communists!.

You can tell people who've never figured out you can call yourself whatever you want, your actions define you. Shit, we had a BC Liberal gov't that was anything but for over 20 years. They just gave themselves a new name hoping to fool people again. BC United, so be sure disruption is the main goal.

[CdnFox]

Just now, herbie said:

No! No! They called themselves the National People's Party therefore they must have been communists!.

You can tell people who've never figured out you can call yourself whatever you want, your actions define you. Shit, we had a BC Liberal gov't that was anything but for over 20 years. They just gave themselves a new name hoping to fool people again. BC United, so be sure disruption is the main goal.

LOL

 Herbie -  hitler was a socialist.  I'm sorry if that upsets you.  You can legitimately make an argument that just because the nazi's were socialists doesn't make all socialistic models 'evil', you can note that they did good things with the economy and it was their racial stuff which was whacked, or whatever you like.

But they were socialists. Basically what we call democratic socialists today. 

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope, the left is interested in the equitable distribution of wealth where the right is more concerned about the unequal distribution of power. That's what the original definers of the terms right and left wing intended them to describe - the placement of a small number of wealthy influential elites to the right of the monarch and the much greater number off ordinary which is to say far less powerful people to the left.

It's no different in Communist systems, they have a small favoured elite that is much better positioned far more closely to power than the far greater number of ordinary people are.

Nope - history clearly shows that's not what the left is about.

That's what the left SAYS it's about - but what it's about is killing freedom and that means people can't own their own things.

Again - look at the track record. Stalin, mao, castro etc etc etc.  where's the abe lincon of communism?  The closest the left comes is fantasies and fairy tales.

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL

 Herbie -  hitler was a socialist.  I'm sorry if that upsets you.  You can legitimately make an argument that just because the nazi's were socialists doesn't make all socialistic models 'evil', you can note that they did good things with the economy and it was their racial stuff which was whacked, or whatever you like.

But they were socialists. Basically what we call democratic socialists today. 

So it was conservatives who introduced the whacked out racial stuff.

I figured as much.

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nope - history clearly shows that's not what the left is about.

That's what the left SAYS it's about - but what it's about is killing freedom and that means people can't own their own things.

Nonsense, that's only what your fearful betters tell you to believe, it's the same fear Hitler used.

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Again - look at the track record. Stalin, mao, castro etc etc etc. 

Yeah these guys were real arseholes too. Like Herbie said, actions define people more than words.

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

where's the abe lincon of communism?  The closest the left comes is fantasies and fairy tales.

There is no Abe Lincoln, there's merely the idea that doing unto others as you'd have them do to you is a better course of action.

[herbie]

Oh FFS anyone who ever attended High School, watched a documentary, read a book or darkend the door of a public library knows Nazis are the extreme right.

The sad thing is the utterly brainwashed fools here who believe otherwise.

[Deluge]

58 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Meh - they lost a war, that's different. You lose you live with it.

Agreed. 

[Guest]

Just now, herbie said:

Oh FFS anyone who ever attended High School, watched a documentary, read a book or darkend the door of a public library knows Nazis are the extreme right.

The sad thing is the utterly brainwashed fools here who believe otherwise.

Some of them don't actually believe it.  They just want it to be true.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Some of them don't actually believe it.  They just want it to be true.

Or - y'know - they actually pay attention to facts.

[herbie]

I know. They adore the Nazi's Big Lie, so they just say it over and over hoping it will be true.

10 years ago you couldn't find anyone insisting Hitler was a liberal or a socialist anywhere. They just recently crawled up from under rocks.

[Guest]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Or - y'know - they actually pay attention to facts.

Bollocks.  Anyone who says the Nazis were actually socialists has no right to use the word "facts".

I mean, it's been fun reading some of the stretching, but at some point reality has to kick in.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, herbie said:

Oh FFS anyone who ever attended High School, watched a documentary, read a book or darkend the door of a public library knows Nazis are the extreme right.

The sad thing is the utterly brainwashed fools here who believe otherwise.

Sorry kiddo.  The left has held that position for a long time and likes to promote it but it's just not true.

If you look at what he did and what his policies were the vast majority are socialist. 

Even their economy is referred to as being Dirigisme, which is an economic doctrine in which the state plays a strong directive (policies) role contrary to a merely regulatory interventionist role over a market economy.(Wikipedia)

They were absolutely socialists.  They differ only slightly from modern market socialists and most of it is basically social proprieties. Mondern day wants the blacks elevated to power and the rich's wealth seized - the old ones wanted the aryans elevated to power and the jewish wealth seized.

Nazis ... were.... socialists.

Just now, bcsapper said:

Bollocks.  Anyone who says the Nazis were actually socialists has no right to use the word "facts".

I mean, it's been fun reading some of the stretching, but at some point reality has to kick in.

And yet you make no argument at all. Just "is so because i say so".

Sorry but every fact points to the nazis being socialists. Which facts that have been presented are false?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And yet you make no argument at all. Just "is so because i say so".

Okay,

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

Honestly, fücking clowns.

Edited June 11, 2023 by bcsapper

[herbie]

You don't even know what a Nazi is but feel qualified to judge the entire 'left'. With your definition that if you don't like them, they must be left.

Go back to sleep. You were dreaming. this is the real world.

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, herbie said:

I know. They adore the Nazi's Big Lie, so they just say it over and over hoping it will be true.

10 years ago you couldn't find anyone insisting Hitler was a liberal or a socialist anywhere. They just recently crawled up from under rocks.

Actually it's been said for ages. But the far right tends to stomp on anyone who tries to point it out.

I notice that like sapper you can't actualy point to a REASON why they're "right"

[Guest]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Actually it's been said for ages. But the far right tends to stomp on anyone who tries to point it out.

I notice that like sapper you can't actualy point to a REASON why they're "right"

I'm just reading that Snopes article.  It's full of stuff like this:

The plain truth, writes Historian Richard J. Evans in The Coming of the Third Reich, was that Hitler and his party saw socialism, communism, and leftism generally as inimical to everything they hoped to achieve:

In the climate of postwar counter-revolution, national brooding on the "stab-in-the-back," and obsession with war profiteers and merchants of the rapidly mushrooming hyperinflation, Hitler concentrated especially on rabble-rousing attacks on "Jewish" merchants who were supposedly pushing up the price of goods: they should all, he said, to shouts of approval from his audiences, be strung up. Perhaps to emphasize this anti-capitalist focus, and to align itself with similar groups in Austria and Czechoslovakia, the party changed its name in February 1920 to the National Socialist German Workers' Party.... Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism. True, as some have pointed out, its rhetoric was frequently egalitarian, it stressed the need to put common needs above the needs of the individual, and it often declared itself opposed to big business and international finance capital. Famously, too, anti-Semitism was once declared to be "the socialism of fools." But from the very beginning, Hitler declared himself implacably opposed to Social Democracy and, initially to a much smaller extent, Communism: after all, the "November traitors" who had signed the Armistice and later the Treaty of Versailles were not Communists at all, but the Social Democrats.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Okay,

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

Honestly, fücking clowns.

The first one doesn't actually say they weren't.  Did you read it?  And where it does even come close to that it says they weren't TRUE socialists -  but i've already said they were what we would call democratic socialists or  sometimes market socialists or slightly less accurately liberal socialists.

And in fact it quotes him again and again referring to socialism as being a worthy goal.

So - you definitely lost that one.

Second one is even more useless.  It doesn't actually explain why he's not a socialist at all. Just a puff piece with zero research.

Sorry man - this time you're not 'sort of wrong' -  you're just dead wrong. Maybe read an actual book and come back.  If you can't even make an argument then you're just blurting out your emotions and that's kinda dumb.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

The first one doesn't actually say they weren't.  Did you read it?  And where it does even come close to that it says they weren't TRUE socialists -  but i've already said they were what we would call democratic socialists or  sometimes market socialists or slightly less accurately liberal socialists.

And in fact it quotes him again and again referring to socialism as being a worthy goal.

So - you definitely lost that one.?

Second one is even more useless.  It doesn't actually explain why he's not a socialist at all. Just a puff piece with zero research.

Sorry man - this time you're not 'sort of wrong' -  you're just dead wrong. Maybe read an actual book and come back.  If you can't even make an argument then you're just blurting out your emotions and that's kinda dumb.?

Just you saying all that doesn't make it so.  I would have thought you would know that.

Encyclopedias, Third Reich historians, all say the Nazis weren't socialists.  You and a couple of other wingnuts say they were.

I'll stick with the former.