This forum struggles because left wing goose steppers are so stupid

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

You still refuse to define what a nazi is. Isn't that kind of doing the blindfold thing? You're refusing to actually examine your own beliefs.

You use the word literally every day you post here - surely to heaven's you have a definition already.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

There are 3 topics that do not get my meter buzzing.. abortion, climate change, and covid. 

Just out of curiosity, how does one not really care about the topic of covid? The politics of covid dominated every aspect of our lives for 2 years and our democracies were put on hold for it...

If you're truly a stats guy you should be mortified. 

[Americana Antifa]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You use the word literally every day you post here - surely to heaven's you have a definition already.

I do, but reason10 has failed to define this particular word.

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

i think it's a coward's way out. It is the electronic equivalent of sticking your head in the sand or putting your fingers in your ears and humming.

There's posters here i'll skim over or not read most of the time, but i don't ignore anyone. People confident in their position don't have to.

I have about 6 posters on ignore here and I don't regret it at all.

After a while you realize that certain posters will never provide a fact, stat, worthwhile cite, insight or anything else worth reading. They'll be sucked in by every Russian collusion accusation, mostly peaceful protest, etc, and when time eventually strips away the multiple layers of BS they'll already be onto the next CNN snipe hunt and they'll never admit they were sucked in. 

There are some other people on here who come up with something intelligent once a month, that's enough for me to wade through the rest of their BS. 

[impartialobserver]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Just out of curiosity, how does one not really care about the topic of covid? The politics of covid dominated every aspect of our lives for 2 years and our democracies were put on hold for it...

If you're truly a stats guy you should be mortified. 

first, because it is mostly in the past. Mask mandates, vax mandates are mostly a thing of the past. Maybe not in your neck of the woods but here.. there is not much evidence of it left

second, I know that you are omniscient. However, I am not so pardon my lack of perfection. Hearing, reading hundreds of disparate view/opinions from so-called experts.. I decided that there were better uses of my time/headspace. I also knew that my one disagreement was not going to change the outcome. How do I know? Others at my work place opposed the policies regarding vaxxing and nothing changed. In the meantime, I used my mental energy to learn R coding and Python. Has turned out to be quite advantageous

 

Edited May 23, 2023 by impartialobserver

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

I do, but reason10 has failed to define this particular word.

So what's your definition and why do you feel that his is different

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

second, I know that you are omniscient.

That's a copout. You want to say that you can't really talk about covid because you feel like I'm a bully who won't listen to reason and that's not a thing at all.

I gave the resident vaxtards here every opportunity to explain why they feel like vaxing kids is necessary. Why forcing young, healthy people to vax was necessary.

They can't even address the topics. They go ad hominem, instantly. 

It's because I have a plethora of stats from the largest sample size possible in this country (the stats for our whole country over several years) and they have nothing but talking points from the same people who already got caught lying about everything covid/vax-related multiple times. 

No one has ever produced a chart, graph, report or anything else from the real world showing that vaxing slows the spread of covid. They also can't show anything that says "unvaxed young healthy people die", or "unvaxed healthy kids die". They have nothing. So why take the risk of vaxing them? Why force them?

I cleared all of my hurdles. I showed conclusive evidence, in the form of our entire country's stats over years of covid, that the vax doesn't slow the spread and that healthy people don't die. I'm miles over those hurdles. 

The only reason that it seems like I'm omniscient is that I'm throwing down multiple stats that are 100% on point and calling people out to discuss relevant facts directly, while the resident vax-fascists have no recourse but to mouth off like little chumps. My Jack Russell looks omniscient next to these a-holes.

How would you set about proving that kids and healthy young adults should take it?

1) You'd find evidence that covid kills them. But it doesn't exist. Almost no kids in Canada died between the beginning of covid and one month after they started vaxing, in Dec 2021 - two years later. Deaths among children spiked after that. 

2) You'd find evidence that they won't spread covid if they're vaxed. They actually could have lied about that and we'd never know, but in order to pretend that the vax is working, its apologists have to say that the reason that deaths are up is because there are actually way more infections.  And "way more infections" means that the spread hasn't even slowed after we vaxed 80% of our pop.

You could try to make the case that "we didn't know better back then" but we did . Israeli ICU data was out long before we got to the point where we could start vaxing young people, and we all know that if mass amounts of people are getting sick enough to end up in ICU, they're infectious. 

 

You're a stats guy. A "data miner". 

Find the evidence that the vax works, kids should take it, and forcing young people to vax was reasonable.

I'll get you started...

^That chart is right from Health Canada's own infobase site. The bottom-right chart is the same as the chart from Statista above. It's here to show that "Statista's Stats" are actually right from Health Canada themselves. 

Data from the grey area on the right, above, is incomplete, it's not all in yet. Hence the grey area...

Obviously way more people than that died in Oct. 

Edited May 24, 2023 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

And FYI I'm not interested in data from within a lab. The vax has had over a year to show its worth in the real world and by every worthwhile measure it has failed. 

We got the vax to prevent deaths - deaths went up by a lot. 

We got the vax to prevent hospitals from being overrun and infections are up by more than deaths are up, so hospitals are even busier. 

Kids are dying WAY faster now that they're vaxing. No one signed kids up to watch the death toll spike. 

 

[reason10]

21 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

You still refuse to define what a nazi is. Isn't that kind of doing the blindfold thing? You're refusing to actually examine your own beliefs.

This  forum is full of Nazis. Look at them and you have your definition.

[reason10]

For the undeducated NAZIS here who continue to try to act STUPID about their ideology,

Nazi means NATIONAL SOCIALIST.

Socialism is MODERN DAY LIBERALISM.

Socialism is government control of everything, anti free speech, anti private gun ownership, anti family unit, anti LIBERTY AND FREEDOM.

The liberals here are GOOSE STEPPING NAZIS, no different from their ancestors who were one of the reasons for a world war that killed SIXTY MILLION PEOPLE.

The Holocaust was an end result of liberalism (starting with Darwin's "The Descent of Man" and ending with EUGENICS, and Margaret Sanger, who later on formed PLanned BabyKillinghood, and massacred more human life that her pals the NAZIS could have imagined.

Nazis=liberalism. Same ideology, same tactics.

Liberals, find someone with an education to read this to you and dumb'splain it.

[Americana Antifa]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So what's your definition and why do you feel that his is different

I'd say a nazi is someone who believes in biological essentialism and conspiracy theories based on the "cultural bolshevism" of the original Nazi Party.

As for reason10, he never gave a straight definition like I just did. I'm guessing he just uses the term as an insult for anyone who is progressive on some issues. Which is kind of funny, since you could then argue that Trump is a nazi.

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

This  forum is full of Nazis. Look at them and you have your definition.

See? You're unable to provide a definition for what makes someone a nazi. Nazis are just anyone you disagree with.

[CdnFox]

52 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

I'd say a nazi is someone who believes in biological essentialism and conspiracy theories based on the "cultural bolshevism" of the original Nazi Party.

Well you're wrong, but fair enough, at least we know.

52 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

As for reason10, he never gave a straight definition like I just did.

You were hoping he'd be wrong too?

52 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

I'm guessing he just uses the term as an insult for anyone who is progressive on some issues. Which is kind of funny, since you could then argue that Trump is a nazi.

You HAVE argued trump is a nazi.

And frankly you've argued that many people's ideals are cultural bolshevism and yet you claim that they are not necessarily nazis.

Sounds like your definition is pretty fluid.

 

52 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

See? You're unable to provide a definition for what makes someone a nazi. Nazis are just anyone you disagree with.

LOL - then you have the same definition as him Unless you're going to suggest that all jews believe cultural bolshevism conspiracy theories.

Edited May 24, 2023 by CdnFox

[Americana Antifa]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well you're wrong, but fair enough, at least we know.

I'd ask you for a definition, but I know you can't give one.

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You were hoping he'd be wrong too?

Actually, I knew he'd never give a definition, since then he couldn't use the word as a catch-all. I just asked him for a definition as a way to point that out. 

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You HAVE argued trump is a nazi.

Are you lying or do you really think that? You lie a lot, so I'm not sure.

I have said that Trump uses nazi propaganda, but I don't think he's actually a nazi. I don't think he even knows where his propaganda comes from. He probably just repeats what he hears on TV.

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And frankly you've argued that many people's ideals are cultural bolshevism and yet you claim that they are not necessarily nazis.

Well most of the Right uses nazi talking-points from cultural bolshevism, but they don't actually believe in the global Jewish conspiracy. Conservatives tend to believe in the "cultural marxism" version where degeneracy is being promoted by marxists, but the marxists are people of many different races and ethnicities. They don't see it as being a plot by the Jews for global dominance. These people are definitely reactionary and authoritarian, but I wouldn't say they're nazis unless they also believe in the part about the internationalist Jews.

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL - then you have the same definition as him Unless you're going to suggest that all jews believe cultural bolshevism conspiracy theories.

So on the one hand, you acknowledge that I've said conservatives using nazi talking-points doesn't necessarily make them nazis, but on the other hand, you're claiming I say anyone I disagree with is a nazi. ?

 

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

I'd ask you for a definition, but I know you can't give one.

LOL - really.  Would you care to bet?

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Actually, I knew he'd never give a definition, since then he couldn't use the word as a catch-all. I just asked him for a definition as a way to point that out. 

So do you - but you gave one. I mean, it's wrong and you don't actually use the word like that but still..

 

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Are you lying or do you really think that? You lie a lot, so I'm not sure.

Telling the truth IS what you consider lying to be    And imagine that - you coudln't deny it you just tried to change the channel   

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

I have said that Trump uses nazi propaganda, but I don't think he's actually a nazi. I don't think he even knows where his propaganda comes from. He probably just repeats what he hears on TV.

You've called him a nazi - and now you're attempting that other trick we've discussed many times where you claim that just because the person thinks and talks like a nazi in your opinion, that doesn't mean he IS a nazi per se.   So he's a nazi by association

Everyone who disagrees with you is a nazi in your world.

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Well most of the Right uses nazi talking-points from cultural bolshevism, but they don't actually believe in the global Jewish conspiracy.

Oh - so you're ADDING to your definition that they must ALSO believe in the global jewish conspiracy. But you've said YOU do, you bring up soros as an example and say that the jews cause all sorts of problems.

Your definition couldn't even make it to the end of this thread.

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

So on the one hand, you acknowledge that I've said conservatives using nazi talking-points doesn't necessarily make them nazis, but on the other hand, you're claiming I say anyone I disagree with is a nazi. ?

 

Yep.  I'ts your little way of calling people nazis when you know you'll have trouble defending it,  "Now -i"m not saying HE'S a nazi - i'm just saying how he thinks and how he acts and what he says and everything else about him is nazi.  But - that doesn't mean i think HE'S a nazi"  LOLOL

It's one of your little dishonest games. But we're pretty used to your lies

I know that it upsets you that nobody here takes you seriously.  Did you want to post a meme? Should i get back here with those goalposts? What can i do to help  

[Deluge]

On 5/23/2023 at 7:52 AM, Americana Antifa said:

You still refuse to define what a nazi is. Isn't that kind of doing the blindfold thing? You're refusing to actually examine your own beliefs.

From Merriam Webster: 

: a member of a German fascist party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler

2

often not capitalized

a

: one who espouses the beliefs and policies of the German Nazis : FASCIST

b

: one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person

[Americana Antifa]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

From Merriam Webster: 

: a member of a German fascist party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler

2

often not capitalized

a

: one who espouses the beliefs and policies of the German Nazis : FASCIST

b

: one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person

Fair, but reason10 wouldn't agree with that, since that wouldn't cover all non-fascists.

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, Americana Antifa said:

Fair, but reason10 wouldn't agree with that, since that wouldn't cover all non-fascists.

Explain. How does that definition not cover all non-fascists? 

[Americana Antifa]

3 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Explain. How does that definition not cover all non-fascists? 

There are plenty of non-fascists who aren't dictatorial or intolerant.

[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

There are plenty of non-fascists who aren't dictatorial or intolerant.

Like who? Name a public figure who fits that bill. 

[Americana Antifa]

Just now, Deluge said:

Like who? Name a public figure who fits that bill. 

Seriously? I guess I'll say Marianne Williamson just because she's running for president. But you could name pretty much any public figure who is left-leaning.

[Deluge]

18 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Seriously? I guess I'll say Marianne Williamson just because she's running for president. But you could name pretty much any public figure who is left-leaning.

Do you think Williamson, and other leftists, see white skin as the cause of America's racial problems? 

[Americana Antifa]

3 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Do you think Williamson, and other leftists, see white skin as the cause of America's racial problems? 

WTF? No. Maybe some do, there are people who are racist against white people, but part of being a leftist is not believing in biological essentialism. We believe that people are a result of material conditions.

The real cause of America's racial problem is capitalism. Politicians in both parties just use racism to distract from the failures of capitalism. And of course, that just leads to actual racial tensions.

[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

WTF? No. Maybe some do, there are people who are racist against white people, but part of being a leftist is not believing in biological essentialism. We believe that people are a result of material conditions.

The real cause of America's racial problem is capitalism. Politicians in both parties just use racism to distract from the failures of capitalism. And of course, that just leads to actual racial tensions.

Now this is interesting. How is capitalism racist? 

[Americana Antifa]

4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Now this is interesting. How is capitalism racist? 

It's not, but like I said, both parties will use race and racism as a distraction from the failures of capitalism. And that leads to racial tensions.

So for example, Democrats will say that the racial wealth gap is because of white supremacy. Republicans will say black people are lazy and self-entitled. The truth is, at one point we had white supremacy, but because capitalism rigs the system against the poor, there is very little social mobility. So the families that were poor a hundred years ago, overwhelming black because of historic racism, are still poor today. This is why you can predict a person's success by their zip code, regardless of race.

[Deluge]

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

It's not, but like I said, both parties will use race and racism as a distraction from the failures of capitalism. And that leads to racial tensions.

So for example, Democrats will say that the racial wealth gap is because of white supremacy. Republicans will say black people are lazy and self-entitled. The truth is, at one point we had white supremacy, but because capitalism rigs the system against the poor, there is very little social mobility. So the families that were poor a hundred years ago, overwhelming black because of historic racism, are still poor today. This is why you can predict a person's success by their zip code, regardless of race.

I wouldn't say capitalism rigs the system; I would see greedy a$$holes rig the system.

Capitalism itself is a good thing. It gives people without any kind of special pedigree a fighting chance to make it on their own.