Canada's Woke Supreme Court says some free speech is no longer important compared to protecting identity groups from being offended.

[eyeball]

59 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But it isn't - that's  what we've learned with the whole Trans movement demanding that they be allowed to share different sex's personal space against their wishes.

Stop being ridiculous, no one is demanding or insisting they have the right to be allowed into your toilet stall against your wishes.

[myata]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'm pretty sure you'll have the right to say 'I don't want you in my stall' but probably not the public spaces where stalls are installed.

OK you're right and the question is actual and necessary. In Canada at least. So:

Who do the public places in our country belong to?

a. A bunch of entitled bureaucrats, because they can

b. The public

We can have a referendum on this question too. Why couldn't we, in a democracy?

Edited June 9, 2023 by myata

[myata]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Stop being ridiculous, no one is demanding or insisting they have the right to be allowed into your toilet stall against your wishes.

Wrong. And you weren't even asked:

https://www.burnabynow.com/local-news/shared-all-gender-washrooms-the-future-for-burnaby-schools-school-district-7096340

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

Stop being ridiculous, no one is demanding or insisting they have the right to be allowed into your toilet stall against your wishes.

Sure they are. That's the point of this.

And like i asked you before - does this solve the problem or will they need more.  And you very clearly feel this WON"T solve the problem and they WILL need more.

So there you go.

[myata]

This is out of bounds already, isn't it? The Central Committee appoints the "rights" as it sees fit when it needs it (in place of other work it was supposed to do). The employee-robots do their duty with a obscene benefits why couldn't we have the AI? The pueblo first doesn't understand and on top of it, couldn't be bothered to care. The courts happily add their two cents to the accelerating bandwagon. To where?

@CdnFox no: incremental, infinitesimal change won't work here because it cannot: as soon as Bum! the right is declared you have no choice of calling it for what it is; you will be painted all colors of rainbow (the irony) by the helpful free"" media and mixed with everything that stinks within 100 miles range. No choice, see it and remember. The only way you can beat them to the trough is to be better. At their game, not the reason or even common sense.

There isn't an easy exit from this conundrum, you see? Only via Mexico North.

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, myata said:

Wrong. And you weren't even asked:

https://www.burnabynow.com/local-news/shared-all-gender-washrooms-the-future-for-burnaby-schools-school-district-7096340

This is not about shared toilet stalls.

Try again.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure they are. That's the point of this.

Liar.

[myata]

Just now, eyeball said:

This is not about shared toilet stalls.

You can be reasonable, why do you refuse to see it? The managers decided that they do not like the traditional layout of washrooms used in generations. They decided to change it, in the public places at the public expense and the public wasn't even asked if they need it. More, there's nothing they, their elected representatives can do about it.

What is it in your view? How is it different from China, in idea and concept? Is it different, in essence, with fines and etc to follow, with certainty at some point down the path as it always happens.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, myata said:

You can be reasonable, why do you refuse to see it?

Refuse to see what?

You're talking about public washrooms, I'm talking about private stalls.

What is it you don't understand?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Liar.

Absolute truth -  did you want to go back and edit your post now?  

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Absolute truth -  did you want to go back and edit your post now?  

Why? You're the one who's full of shit.

I'd advise you use the toilet room. The washroom is for something else.

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Why? You're the one who's full of shit

Poor liberals  - always have to lie to themselves to get through the day 

So what you're saying is you don't have to go back and change it because you were ALREADY lying so you're happy with it   lol!

Ya know - if you just told the truth you wouldn't need to work so hard.

[eyeball]

It appears we'll need to put up signage so conservatives can tell the difference between a sink and a toilet.

It is what it is.

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

Refuse to see what?

You're talking about public washrooms, I'm talking about private stalls.

What is it you don't understand?

Perhaps the lack of absolute privacy in North American toilet stalls?

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It appears we'll need to put up signage so conservatives can tell the difference between a sink and a toilet.

It is what it is.

IF we put it up - you'll claim we got it wrong and then demand to know why we're making such a big deal of it. 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

IF we put it up - you'll claim we got it wrong and then demand to know why we're making such a big deal of it.  .

Everyone knew that ages ago.

[I am Groot]

Came across this earlier today. A quick, easy definition of woke.

Basically, those who believe all inequalities are due to discrimination and that as such justice is only achieved through the elimination of those inequalities by any means. No accounting is made for intelligence vs dumb, energetic vs lazy, working hard at education vs truancy and dropping out, responsible parenting and fatherless children. All inequalities are due to discrimination. All inequalities must be eliminated.

[TreeBeard]

28 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

all inequalities are due to discrimination

I don’t know anyone who thinks that.  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Everyone knew that ages ago.

Yes - everyone knew you'd lie about it ages ago. That's the point.

50 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I don’t know anyone who thinks that.  

More accurately you don't know many who'd want to admit it publicly. 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Came across this earlier today. A quick, easy definition of woke.

Basically, those who believe all inequalities are due to discrimination and that as such justice is only achieved through the elimination of those inequalities by any means. No accounting is made for intelligence vs dumb, energetic vs lazy, working hard at education vs truancy and dropping out, responsible parenting and fatherless children. All inequalities are due to discrimination. All inequalities must be eliminated.

The worst inequalities stem from the way the cookies crumbled over centuries and even thousands of years. You haven't accounted for the effects caused by things like guns, germs, steel and the fortunes or misfortunes of the environments on different societies and peoples.

The scientific view of the causes of inequalities developed by a range of disciplines and schools of thought that study things like guns, germs, steel yadda yadda provides a far superior accounting for inequality than he moral judgemental crap you're posting.

It's typical of the excuses those who wound up with more cookies than crumbs use to avoid trying to make the world a less crumby place for everyone.

 

[myata]

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Perhaps the lack of absolute privacy in North American toilet stalls?

Even more serious, can we see it? It's past the stages of "good government"; "your helpful benevolent government" and well into social engineering now.

• A bunch of entitled politicians decides to wave a new "rights" banner because they have nothing else to do, or cannot do anything else well enough or even satisfactory;
• They add it to the list of "protected" rights in a quasi-parliament of robot-employees;
• In a flash of an eye (in historic terms) all washrooms in all public places and changed over at the public expense and out of public pocket. Like you asked for it. Like its the highest priority in the country. Who knows that? Who decided that?

How is it different from China? Is a parliament" of robot-employees still very much different, from the perspective of a real, functional democracy, from whatever its called in China?

Scary. Not so? Not to you? Waiting to hit the next station?

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Perhaps the lack of absolute privacy in North American toilet stalls?

How much would you be willing to pay for that absolute privacy?  I'm convinced a new way to exploit the business of using a toilet will emerge out all the kerfuffle over using a toilet.

I envision a chain of boutique toiletariums customized for whatever identification, affiliations or peccadilloes you care to name or alphabetize.

Watch for me on Shark Tank.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Perhaps the lack of absolute privacy in North American toilet stalls?

You mean like this? Oh the humanity!

[myata]

And they didn't have to do it. This is a logical, infallible proof that this is about social engineering, nothing less:

a. add a new, mixed gender place to make reasonable accommodation, for those who need it

b. change the existing order of things for everybody to accommodate some abstract ideal

No you can't argue with the facts and logic! This is the heights unbounded bureaucratic thinking is hitting these days, yes we know best what's good for you, no you don't need to bother.

 

[I am Groot]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

You mean like this? Oh the humanity!

 

Those portable toilets actually have doors which go from the top of the door frame down to the bottom, and without large gaps on the sides. Our public bathrooms take after the Americans, who are far more worried about someone doing something 'immoral' in them than in privacy. European public bathrooms are more private.

 

Edited June 10, 2023 by I am Groot

[myata]

It's much more serious. In China, a country-wide change happens on a decision of the Central Committee. Today stamp tomorrow in your public washroom. In a democratic country, a society-wide change can happen only after a serious public discussion, a consensus of a large part of the society and approval following strong democratic procedures. For example, in Switzerland, a referendum.

Now, no don't guess, only look: where Canada is on this map?